Why not be a neet? - Why bother?

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Hey Johnny Bravo said:
Either you're a government NEET that gets fucked as soon as there is austerity, or you're a family NEET that gets fucked as soon as your parents die and you blow all the money. If you are so incompetent that you cannot hold a job, the odds are not in your favor that you would responsibly handle inheritance.

Furthermore, most NEETs live in a way that is not conducive to a long lifespan. They talk a big game about reading, working out, learning, and improving themselves, but the overwhelming majority sit around in front of a computer all night, drink and drug heavily, and lean heavily towards suicide.
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This is essentially all I left out of my post. If you’re a NEET, you’re a professional parasite. We may as well physically strap NEETs to the bodies that they leech from, government or family. I’ve heard NEETs claim they can live off of $200/mo. Buddy, electricity and water is $200/mo. A NEET cannot live without suckling the teet.
 
Faestus said:
What reason is there to not be a neet? We live in a society that hates you if you do well and revards failure.

There's no reason to contribute financially to this society, because it will waste all your contribution on the undeserving or the actual neets.

Keep in mind this society actively punishes you for trying to be productive or positively contribute; only the ones that profit and steal are rewarded...

Any good contributions will be taken from you or destroyed, if they even belong to you to begin with.

So why bother having a constructive career and contributing to this world when it's all in nought?
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The reason is supposed to be: If you contribute to society in the form of working a job, theoretically you would be rewarded by being able to date, being able to go to places with friends, and buy things/experiences to make you happy. If you're someone that won't be able to obtain a lot of those things, thanks to severe autism or other disability or really even just being too poor, then yeah, the tradeoff doesn't work and it feels like an unending waterfall of suffering poured onto you.

Unfortunately, though, society is set up for everyone to work whether society really rewards them for it or not. If you choose to be NEET, you also will inevitably lose your independence. Unless your parents or some other person with money to spare gives you the cash, you will never be able to buy anything for yourself. When the people paying for your house stop paying, you'll either be forced into homelessness, sending yourself to jail, or being put into some kind of shelter/group home where you won't get to choose the people you're with or what food you eat. Look at what happens to old people who have no money, they go to nursing homes where everything is decided for them, and that'll likely be the best-case scenario for your life.

Is it better than trying your best at a working life? If you can remove yourself from having those expectations of a normal well-adjusted person, then maybe. I'm like you, I've had bad upbringing, got bad habits and bad personality on top of autism, and my current plan is to go to jail when my NEET-hood is forced to be over. Not because I really want to, but because for me it's the best of bad options. I'm not sure I could force myself into a job I'd hate 8+ hours a day to get nothing on the other end of it, and many NEETs probably have this same affliction, which in the modern world is enough cause to basically strip you of personhood. Oh well.
 
I find discussions about this fascinating as it's often people who are looking at a game-theory problem being contested and argued with by people looking at it from a moral/ethical framework.

There aren't really many worldview clashes like it.
 
There no reason not to be a NEET if you're cared for. The ethical argument can be turned upside-down when highlighting that any work you do in a highly controlled society forces you to contribute to shit you don't like, so your only mean to not support stuff like endless migration, overpaid politicians, etc. is to simply not work. From the perspective of game-theory, this is the most wise decision, because there are only 2 things that can happen from then on: The welfare state still provides for all the parasites, ensuring you are well off, too. Or it doesn't, at which point it makes just sense to start working again, but at least you do it (mostly) for yourself.
Not even social expectations are that much of an argument. You can find approval for your lifestyle everywhere if you mask it as rebellion against the state.
 
Welfare Ghoul said:
Things work differently over here.
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I simply don't believe that any nation on the entire planet gives you 70% of your previous income, for life, and doesn't even bother checking in afterwards to try and catch you not being disabled.
 
Dyn said:
I simply don't believe that any nation on the entire planet gives you 70% of your previous income, for life, and doesn't even bother checking in afterwards to try and catch you not being disabled.
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It's not automatic, and it's "up to" 70% at absolute maximum based on how long you've worked, how much you contributed to tax, what expenses you have, whether you're a single or dual income household, how much your income was, whether you have dependents, how many dependents, how severely impacted you are, etc. So 70% is the most extreme end, and most don't get it. My dad did because he had a non-working wife and almost a dozen kids, paying a mortgage, and suffered spinal damage. I wouldn't get that. It would probably be closer to 50%.

You can't just say fuck it at 18, get on that program and live the good life. You have to work and positively contribute to tax for years before qualifying.
 
Welfare Ghoul said:
It's not automatic, and it's "up to" 70% at absolute maximum based on how long you've worked, how much you contributed to tax, what expenses you have, whether you're a single or dual income household, how much your income was, whether you have dependents, how many dependents, how severely impacted you are, etc. So 70% is the most extreme end, and most don't get it. My dad did because he had a non-working wife and almost a dozen kids, paying a mortgage, and suffered spinal damage. I wouldn't get that. It would probably be closer to 50%.

You can't just say fuck it at 18, get on that program and live the good life. You have to work and positively contribute to tax for years before qualifying.
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Well that sounds a lot more believable, but I'm still pretty sure if you tell them you have a sore back and can't work your grueling manual labour job anymore they'll tell you 'go get an entry-level job answering phones or touching computers' and deny your claim. Even in the Nordics/Germany/France.
 
Dyn said:
Well that sounds a lot more believable, but I'm still pretty sure if you tell them you have a sore back and can't work your grueling manual labour job anymore they'll tell you 'go get an entry-level job answering phones or touching computers' and deny your claim. Even in the Nordics/Germany/France.
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Part of the program includes paying for retraining in another field. However usually where serious chronic pain is the issue, they don't bother with the retraining because pain will consistently get in the way of every avenue of employment. That's actually why my dad didn't get retrained. Not his broken spine. Same with brain damage. Most people who defraud it here claim either chronic pain or brain damage because both are really hard to definitively disprove, and both (if real) get in the way of employment.
 
I believe the question should be "what's the purpose of grinding hard?".

I do genuinely want to begin working again but it just feels... meaningless. I will gain no friends, no chaste wife, I'm just going to be alone with a bunch of money and nothing to spend it on.

I will say being a NEET sucks fucking ass, you do feel like a goddamned parasite.
 
Rekeita's Kidneys said:
I will say being a NEET sucks fucking ass, you do feel like a goddamned parasite.
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Welcome to my special hell
(also I had the horrible realization that it's been 5 years since this and 10 years since the thing this is even from was a thing help)
 
I've done assembly-line work, office work, WFH work, and I've been a NEET. I'd say the assembly-line work was most fulfilling, but WFH and NEET were more enjoyable.

Being a NEET is fine as long as you're doing something creative, reading, building, whatever. Nowadays with so many bullshit jobs, NEETs are less of a detriment to society than many workers. If you find a way to live without employment and feel you'd produce more value to yourself or others in another way, then go for it.
 
if, as an individual, you're able to be content being nobody, having negative social status, owning very little, going nowhere both figuratively and physically, if you're able to not care about the judgement of dumb, ugly cunts who look down their noses at you because you're a 'NEET', if you're able to find somebody to parasite off, indefinitely, without having to fuck them, clean their house or provide them with some form of 'service', then yeah, why wouldn't you? It's what we (in my circle) laughingly refer to as the 'catholic shirk ethic' (as opposed to the oft-discussed Protestant opposite). Ultimately, all you have to do to succeed as a human is stay alive. Everything beyond that is, surely, just bullshit; societal expectations, conditioning, capitalist propaganda, whatever. .

But, in this instance, you have a wife and kids, so your duty is a) to provide for your family, so they don't live like paupers and tramps, and b) you have a duty to set a half-decent example for your children, who won't benefit from having a waster as a daddy, no matter how much 'quality time' you envisage spending with them.
 
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