Why LBJ Canceled The Apollo Moon Base - NASA's requested funding was spent on the Great Society, including building rapid transit system in several cities

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With today’s inauguration, President Donald Trump is back in charge of the Artemis program. NASA’s 21st-century moon program began during Trump’s first term but has been plagued with developmental delays. Elon Musk, Trump’s most prominent backer, believes Artemis is an inefficient distraction despite being the CEO of a program contractor.

Similar criticisms were levied at the Apollo program during the 1960s. Such sentiment likely led to President Lyndon B. Johnson’s decision not to fund NASA’s more ambitious efforts, including a temporary base on the lunar surface. However, the funding allocated elsewhere would transform American society in other ways.

NASA was well aware that the Space Race’s fervor would fade once an American stepped foot on the Moon. There were plenty of post-Apollo ideas circulating the agency that were eventually centralized under the moniker of the Apollo Applications Program (AAP) in 1966. Nazi-turned-NASA-celebrity Wernher von Braun headed the internal think tank.

On the surface, the AAP was intended to conceive exciting missions that could be fulfilled with existing Apollo hardware. Between the lines, NASA desperately needed to maintain its massive workforce and coalition of contractors. The space program amassed an army of 400,000 employees for Apollo. If it were forced to downsize, it would (and did) hamper the progress of space exploration for decades to come.

The lunar base was the most audacious concept from the AAP. The congressional hearings for NASA’s authorization in 1966 outlined the plans for the base. The mission involved two separate Saturn V launches: one typical Apollo launch with three astronauts and one uncrewed launch carrying the base. Two astronauts would descend to the Moon’s surface in a Lunar Excursion Module (LEM), and another LEM would be already there. The plan refers to each as the LEM Taxi and LEM Shelter, respectively.

The Taxi is a standard LEM used to shuttle astronauts to and from the Command Module in orbit. The Shelter is a converted LEM to store the necessary provisions for an extended stay and a lab. NASA intended for astronauts to live in this shelter for two weeks. For comparison, Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin spent 2 hours and 31 minutes on the Moon during Apollo 11. The final Moon landing during Apollo 17 lasted 22 hours. Two weeks on the Moon with this equipment sounds like a nightmare.

The Apollo missions were far from comfortable for the astronauts. They had to live on dehydrated food, take sponge baths and shit in plastic bags taped to their asses. I could never ask anyone to endure that on the Moon, but Von Braun wanted more. NASA also floated the idea of a purpose-built shelter allowing a crew of six to live on the Moon for six months. The German rocket scientist has been fixated on a permanent moon base since at least his 1953 book “Conquest of the Moon.”

Working conditions aside, costs ultimately derailed the lunar base. The AAP requested $450 million in 1967, but it received $80 million. Like Apollo’s budget, this would have likely ballooned into the billions by the 1970s if fully funded. The Johnson administration had other spending concerns.

During his 1964 State of the Union speech, LBJ gave Congress the task of declaring an “all-out war on human poverty and unemployment” and reforming “our tangled transportation and transit policies.” The Great Society was the most ambitious slate of domestic policy since the New Deal and hasn’t been surpassed by any president after.

In 1967, Congress didn’t want to fund a federal budget exceeding $100 billion, or $945 billion in today’s dollars. Thus, the AAP was axed so the Great Society could happen. It was a level of fiscal responsibility considered harsh today when 2024’s federal budget was $6.75 trillion.

The US Department of Transportation was formed in 1967 as part of the Great Society. The agency immediately oversaw federal subsidies that helped build modern rapid systems in several major cities, including the DC Metro, MARTA in Atlanta, and BART in the San Franciso Bay Area. The federal government also funded the introduction of a high-speed rail service to the Northeast Corridor with the Metroliner, an Acela precursor.

While NASA didn’t get to build a moon base during the 1970s, the trade-off was worth the sustained benefits of the Great Society. I can’t say the same thing today if the Artemis program gets canceled today.
 
I am a bit shocked Biden didn't cancel Artemis, especially since Obama canceled GWB's Constellation moon program. I'm not confident we'll get to Mars in my life time but dammit I want to see a moon landing.
 
Most of that "rapid transit" money disappeared on "high speed rail" projects that never got built, or did, but, due to the shit condition of us railroads at the time? Couldn't actually go fast without derailing.

For example? The Budd Metroliner.


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It was no hyperpod, it actually got built and actually achieved it's 125mph speed goal. Decent for the day.

Problem was? Outside of the northeast corridor? It couldn't operate.

Because, well, look at the condition of the FREIGHT rail track in front of that impeccably groomed right-of-way for the passenger service and tell me you'd try 25 on that, let alone 125.

Also, nowhere else in the nation was electrified.

Yes, HSR is a grift that's been going for sixty years.
 
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As much as I think Vietnam was a waste of money this would an even bigger waste of money. How the fuck does one make a moon base... in 1969?

It was a "base" to be able to do longer lunar missions. The astronauts who went to the moon were poorly rested and got minimal time there. Being able to stay for up to two weeks could have led to a lot better geological samples being returned to Earth, for instance (because they could have taken more time to know what was normal/abnormal).
 
As much as I think Vietnam was a waste of money this would an even bigger waste of money. How the fuck does one make a moon base... in 1969?
Bigger rockets for one, if you dedicated the resources to R&D and they had the same budget as the moon missions, we'd have had a base by the late 70s, judging by the speed of Apollo. It's a damn shame we spent it on war.
 
Most of that "rapid transit" money disappeared on "high speed rail" projects that never got built, or did, but, due to the shit condition of us railroads at the time? Couldn't actually go fast without derailing.

Yes, HSR is a grift that's been going for sixty years.
The sheer scope of the grift was amazing. Big grants to rebuild infrastructure in the NEC, grants to make the newfangled trains (which indirectly turned out to have a good return), and what's now the Transportation Technology Center, where tons of rail testing is done started out as part of the same program. Of course it's no longer a government facility now...

All to buy votes in New York.
 
Well. This is incorrect.

The budget problem in 1967 that killed the program was the Vietnam War. President Johnson, as per usual, initially lied to everyone about the money necessary for Vietnam. They presented a number way less than half of what was required (9 billion) and then eventually presented the real cost for the year (22 billion) as a shocking surprise that would require a tax increase.

The full estimated cost of all these space program projects for moonbases for 1967 was about half a billion dollars. Compared to the costs of the Vietnam War that year, it was effectively nothing.

The idea that administratively creating a "department of transportation" in the Johnson years created the BART system and the DC Metro is nonsense.
 
None of these programs never really went away. They just transformed into other things that were more economical. The talk of a moon base turned into talk about a space station orbiting the moon which turned into the "Skylab" Space Station orbiting earth. The moon-centric Saturn V program was redirected gradually into the Space Shuttle program.
 
The idea that administratively creating a "department of transportation" in the Johnson years created the BART system and the DC Metro is nonsense.
BART not so much - it was very early.

The idea that the Urban Mass Transit Administration was throwing money around like a whole boatload of drunken sailors in the 70s with little practical benefit to show for it would be a better point.
 
He cancelled it because LBJ had too many kids to kill that day. Dude was one evil SOB between creating the modern bureaucratic state, creating the Democrat plantation for blacks by giving them free money to sit around and pop out kids all day, and thinking the best way to fight communism was to napalm random third worlders and fund a corrupt dictatorship insteading of dealing with the infestation at home. He was also a deep stater who knew what they did to JFK.
As much as I think Vietnam was a waste of money this would an even bigger waste of money. How the fuck does one make a moon base... in 1969?
The same way you fly people to the Moon in 1969. Moon bases aren't very sophisticated at all, the problem is getting them to the Moon...which was quite possible given the Saturn V could send over 90,000 pounds of whatever you wanted to the Moon.

There's actually a lot of weird lunar science we've only recently discovered that we could have known back then, and some shit we literally have no idea about like "will living in Moon gravity cause your heart to literaly atrophy away or not" (like it does in microgravity). And nobody's ever seen the Earth eclipse the Sun from the Moon. It would make a nice picture.
 
When this nation of ours is long gone the historians of the future will point at the moon program as our finest moment, when a nation in the middle of cultural and social turmoil was still able to defy all expectations.

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Instead of a moon base we got high speed rape tubes in big cities that don't even function in the nice way Japanese trains do.
 
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