Why is Brazil a Shithole? - Wasted potential for a large resource rich country

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hmm.
deforestation you say?
illegal prospestors you say?
pesticide use to grow soy beans (to sell to international markets) you say?
I think I need to hire sherlock holmes to get to the bottom of this mystery.
You are one retard fuck who don't live in Brazil and is completely unaware of the reality of this country. Apart from trying to sound smart but you sound like a dumbass instead.

You completely ignore the part where I said most part of Brazilian soil is practically infertile. Yet, you keep insisting on your bullshit because you believe in the outdated notion that Brazil is some land of vast resources.

That used to be the case when Europe was ruined by either Crusades or Black Death which would have an influence on the colonial campaigns to explore some unknown land.

Nowadays, Europe, for the most part, is fully industrialized along with US and Canada. That is what makes a country rich instead of solely relying on farming and raw material trade.

Industrialization is what made China grow and become the world's second economic power.

Brazil is fucking poor whether in social conditions or natural resources. And it keeps falling behind industrialized countries because it insists on being a mostly agrarian country.
Re resources, isn't Brazil's geography also just kind of shit for transportation? Like. coastal areas and Amazon basin at sea level, and then it's like a mile of rock wall straight up?
Our geography is indeed weird.

Here's a 3D topographic map for reference.

Notice that there's a thin line of flat area in the coastline and then there's this huge elevation inland.
 
I'll put it into a simple format you're probably familiar with.
>>be brazil
>>be rich in resources
>>corporations come in, resulting in the destruction of the ecosystem
>>rampant corruption with leadership taking the side of the corporation over the people
>>people no longer have access to their own natural resources
>>country is deforested and soils polluted
>>most people now live in poverty
>>title of the thread"Why is Brazil a Shithole? Wasted potential for a large resource rich country"
>>answer: Corruption

I don't know how to make it any clearer than this. I even colour coded it for you so you know what to pay attention to, maybe something is lost in the translation?

Here, let me answer the question again.

Why is Brazil a Shithole? - Wasted potential for a large resource rich country

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They’re ranked in the top twenty for murder rates and crime is rampant there.
I think this is because Brazil has not been involved in many wars. Wars reduce the current and future number of violent men.

They also have the same degenerate ills as the west like fags, troons, and troonshine all being present in Brazil.
Christianity may seem to be against degenerates but it enables them by preaching love and compassion. Almost all of the countries that have fag marriage are majority Christian.
 
They had a shoddily managed transition towards a republican system of governance which was led by an (intellectually) inbred elite that manipulated an extremely deprived and helpless populace. If you continuously fuck up for 150 years by relying on plantation economics and the export of raw materials without investing in the development of your middle class and industrial capacity, it's difficult to escape the post-colonial trap. One Hundred Years of Solitude was not just a metaphor for Columbia, but rather all of South America. The entire continent is doomed.
 
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>>be rich in resources
Again with the same stupid saying.
>>country is deforested and soils polluted
>>most people now live in poverty
People were poor way before deforestation and environmental issues were a thing here.
>>answer: Corruption
And where in all of my comments have I denied that? The thing is corruption isn't the sole answer.

Russia is as corrupt as Brazil but they were once America's economic rival and a threat to the world, was the first country to send living beings into space, have nuclear warheads and still have bellic capacity.

They're not some frozen wasteland which solely relies on raw material trade because they're too incompetent or unwilling to industrialize as it is the case with Brazil.
I don't know how to make it any clearer than this. I even colour coded it for you so you know what to pay attention to, maybe something is lost in the translation?
Maybe stop being retarded and pay attention to what I'm writing.


Christianity may seem to be against degenerates but it enables them by preaching love and compassion. Almost all of the countries that have fag marriage are majority Christian.
Christianity was just a tool of colonialism because since it condones slavery it was the perfect religion to use for social control. Spanish, British, Portuguese and other European powers needed slaves to exploit resources for their respective crowns.

New World countries inherited the manipulative and authoritarian tendencies of Christianity and used it to build their own flavor of churches and cults later in the 20th century.

It wasn't different with Brazil. With the rise of Evangelical Christianity here lots of different churches were built and they're exactly like the kind of church you would see in impoverished third-world countries.

Christianity also preaches for charity but they need poverty to be able to preach said charity.
They had a shoddily managed transition towards a republican system
It was a coup d'etat. In the last years of the Brazilian Empire, the emperor knew that the empire would fall apart because the ruling elite that he himself helped to establish were less and less supportive of him because of his intentions to abolish slavery which he had partially done and letting the military encroach itself in politics after the disastrous Paraguay War.

The same military would serve as the elite lapdog and were the main perpetrators of the coup.
If you continuously fuck up for 150 years by relying on plantation economics and the export of raw materials without investing in the development of your middle class and industrial capacity, it's difficult to escape the post-colonial trap.
The whole thing is very complex to explain but if you compare Brazil to other South American countries you'll see a pattern:

  • Economic overreliance on farming or livestock

  • Military always meddling in politics and stalling any kind of development

  • Said development is pretty much Keynesianism with a penchant for increasing national debt

  • Cult of personality with certain political figures

  • Neglecting proper educational and trade school programs in order to have a more ignorant and reliant on social welfare population

  • Overall rampant corruption and violence
 
Re resources, isn't Brazil's geography also just kind of shit for transportation? Like. coastal areas and Amazon basin at sea level, and then it's like a mile of rock wall straight up?
Americans should be perennially grateful that the Mississippi cuts right through the middle of their agricultural heartlands and is navigable up to St Paul.
 
Interesting article I came across, it's in portuguese but you can probably translate it with DeepL or whatever.

source

Em agosto de 1919, a linha-tronco da Sorocabana terminava na estação do Brejão, a oitocentos quilômetros de São Paulo e hoje chamada de Alvares Machado. Estava ela 14 quilômetros à frente da de Presidente Prudente e 42 de Indiana. Faltavam ainda 91 quilômetros para a linha chegar a Porto XV de Novembro, ou a estação de Presidente Epitácio, hoje.

Tudo o que está à frente de Indiana, hoje, ou seja, 133 quilômetros de linha, está abandonado. A concessionária ALL não a usa há anos. Mas em 1919, quase cem anos atrás, embora a linha estivesse funcionando até Brejão, parecia haver uma chefia do trecho de 42 quilômetros à frente da estação de Indiana nesta estação. Pelas notícias dos jornais da época, era em Indiana que se tomavam as decisões naquela terra ainda tomada pela selva e pelos índios... e eventuais fugitivos da justiça, além dos primeiros colonizadores que iam chegando.

Enquanto isto, em Porto Ferreira, no ramal de Descalvado da Companhia Paulista das Estradas de Ferro, a cerca de, sei lá, uns 600 quilômetros de Indiana em linha reta, um homem de 27 anos de idade chamado Sud Mennucci sustentava sua família - esposa e uma filha de um ano e meio de idade - vivendo como repórter autônomo e como professor primário no Grupo Escolar da cidade - escola que hoje leva seu nome.

Mas o que é que tem Sud Mennucci a ver com a estação de Indiana e com o assunto deste artigo que hoje escrevo?

Eu estava procurando dados sobre a estação de Indiana, inaugurada no ano anterior (1918) nos arquivos do jornal O Estado de S. Paulo e achei, na mesma página em que se publicou algo sobre a longínqua Indiana, um dos inúmeros artigos que Mennucci escrevia para diferentes jornais, inclusive o atual Estadão. O artigo versava sobre o descaso dos brasileiros com a língua portuguesa.

Li o artigo, achei interessante e notei que, enquanto a linha da Sorocabana foi degradada em grande parte nestes últimos noventa e cinco anos, o descaso com a língua portuguesa também piorou e muito. As relações são apenas estas.

O que dizia meu avô Sud neste artigo? Nada de muito diferente do que percebemos hoje. Ontem mesmo, recebi de um amigo, pela Internet (Sud não tinha esse recurso em 1919), as "pérolas do ENEM" desde ano. Já há alguns anos aparecem esses e-mails, coleções de frases escritas nesse exame nacional que serve como classificatório para a maioria das faculdades e que são frases que, de tão mal escritas, em muitas delas nem se consegue entender o que o sujeito quer dizer.

"Cei que gostaria que você passa-se o Natal em casa". Acabo de inventar a frase, mas há dois erros inacreditáveis nela e que foram extraídos das novas "pérolas do Enem". E se fossem duas pessoas? Eu "çaberia" que vocês "passa-sem" o Natal em casa? Olhem só o drama da língua portuguesa - ou brasileira, pois ela começa hoje a ser muito diferente já da original de Portugal.

Vale lembrar que, em 1919, o analfabetismo no Brasil era superior a 70%. O ensino era melhor do que hoje, mas havia falta de escolas públicas para um povo muito mais ponre, que não podia pagar por escolas particulares, que também não eram muitas. Hoje o analfabetismo é considerado oficialmente como sendo inferior a 10% (e é incrível que ainda exista), mas muitos especialistas falam que o número real pode chegar a 30%, se considerarmos as pessoas que sabem apenas assinar o próprio nome.

Esse analfabetismo de antes e de agora seriam uma das causas do nosso desapego à própria língua de nosso país? Pode ser. Porém, Sud escreveu sua opinião sem citar a altíssima taxa de então. O Brasil tinha então 25 milhões de habitantes - hoje tem 190. Na sua opinião, era a língua, apesar de tudo, a única coisa que mantinha o país coeso.

Quais seriam as outras caracteísticas que faziam com que um país fosse também uma nação e que pudesse manter a sua nacionalidade, mesmo quando ele havia eventualmente perdido sua liberdade? Sud mencionou três exemplos: a Polônia, a Boêmia (que passou, com o fim da guerra mundial, um ano antes, a se chamar Tcheco-Eslováquia ao se seprar do Império Austro-Húngaro) e a Finlândia. Todos países que não eram independentes até a eclosão da guerra de 1914-18, mas que já o haviam sido em tempos remotos e que conseguiram, duzentos, trezentos ou mais anos depois recuperar sua independência. E conseguiram-nas porque tinham em cada território uma só raça (hoje diríamos etnia), uma só língua e uma continuidade geográfica (sem separações territoriais).

Mas o Brasil não tem essa continuidade? Sud alegava que sim, mas que, como era (e ainda é) muito grande, não havia comunicações entre o Norte e o Sul (na época, somente se ia do norte para o sul por navios marítimos, fluviais, e cavalos, por péssimas estradas, quando as havia). E as etnias... bem, havia diversas etnias e raças, como as há até hoje. Era por causa disso que Sud achava que fortalecer a língua era fundamental.

Ele não falava da língua inglesa, que o brasileiro passou a adorar, principalmente a partir do estabelecimento dos Estados Unidos como modelo e como superpotência após a Primeira Guerra. Falava do francês, língua mais apreciada pelas ricas famílias da época, queiam passar férias na Europa e não em Nova York. Quanto ao inglês da Inglaterra, apesar da grande influência deles durante o século XIX, eles não tiveram por algum motivo a mesma força que os americanos tiveram no século XX.

Reparem: a grande maioria das lojas, empresas, estabelecimentos comerciais e escritórios que temos - têm nomes ingleses, por que é "chic". Por que isto não acontece nos países de língua espanhola da América Latina, que sofrem as mesmas influências que nós? Sud não explica isto.

Porém, Sud defende que um americano, de nome John C. Branner, então Presidente Emérito da Lelland Stanford University, alertou os brasileiros sobre o problema da língua, pois os americanos começavam, com a destruição da Europa e a ascendência de Tio Sam, a inundar o mercado brasileiro com seus produtos. E preservar a língua ajudaria a preservar ao país sem ameaçar sua integridade. E era o próprio Branner que falava que os americanos eram ignorantes em relação ao que se passava fora de seu território e que se começassem a pensar em aprender alguma língua para se comunicar com a América não-inglesa, escolheriam facilmente o espanhol, pois, para eles, era tudo igual - embora Branner soubesse que o Brasil era diferente.

Precisávamos tomar uma atitude, segundo Sud:

"Para ser-se capaz de tal gesto seria preciso ter-se o orgulho da propria lingua, o amor e o respeito pelo proprio falar. Eo brasileito não o tem. Será possivel?

Tanto o é que nós, ha muito tempo, não fizemos mais nada do que deturpar o nosso idioma. É um facto doloroso, que está ás vistas e á analyse de todo o mundo: estamos esphacelando o portuguez, com o desprezo de gente que se sente apodrecer por dentro (...)"

e continuava, num texto não tão curto.

O português da transcrição é o da época. Aliás, muito mais fácil do que o de hoje, sem quase acentos, etc. As reformas ajudaram a deturpar nossa língua. Nestes cem anos houve pelo menos três. Pensem: se já havia gente que se preocupava com a deterioração de nossa língua há 95 anos, imaginem hoje...
 
@Maurice Maine, Portuguese language is indeed hard and has retarded spelling rules that only got weirder at each reform. But, the article builds his argument on the premise that said reforms were the reason why Brazilians can't fucking bother to spell words right and that's total bullshit.

Lack of schools (specially in rural areas) were always an issue. When the Portuguese crown fled from Portugal (to avoid being destroyed by the French Army) to Brazil they founded the first educational institutions. Before that there was jack shit around here.

Politically speaking Brazil still is and always was a fiefdom. That's the reason our educational system is shit.
 
Because it's full of Brazilians, of course.
But given their size and their potential, I’m surprised they’re such an underachieving nation.

It is easy to blame race, but being colonized by Spain and Portugal fucks a country up especially bad. These countries had a more extractive mindset and setup caste systems in their respective empires. Most British colonies were given more freedom and allowed to setup local industries. The only huge exception to this is British India that was milked hard like the Spanish empire milked their empire.

Extreme inequality with classes that solely look out for their own interests kills a countries potential.
 
Only explanation my truthful and racist brain can come up with is that somewhere after colonization the nigger genes of aztecs and other similar people who acted like niggers, got into the gene pool with the spanish and portuguese and rest is history.

So short answer, niggers, but lighter skin color.
huehuehue brr brr.
 
after the disastrous Paraguay War.
Wait. I didn't know it was a disaster. Details?

got into the gene pool with the spanish and portuguese and rest is history.
Spain and Portugal aren't that strong economically or scientifically either.

I'll put it into a simple format you're probably familiar with.
>>be brazil
>>be rich in resources
>>corporations come in, resulting in the destruction of the ecosystem
>>rampant corruption with leadership taking the side of the corporation over the people
>>people no longer have access to their own natural resources
>>country is deforested and soils polluted
>>most people now live in poverty
>>title of the thread"Why is Brazil a Shithole? Wasted potential for a large resource rich country"
>>answer: Corruption

I don't know how to make it any clearer than this. I even colour coded it for you so you know what to pay attention to, maybe something is lost in the translation?

Here, let me answer the question again.

Why is Brazil a Shithole? - Wasted potential for a large resource rich country

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Nowadays I've been thinking a lot, and the real reason Brazil is shit are the people.

We live in a zero trust society, you are meant to take advantage and exploit you boss, your systems, your family, and not doing so will have you labeled and a sucker.
The politicians just do on a bigger scale what the average Brazilian does on his life.

It's an individualistic collectivist hell hole, where everyone demands shit out of everyone but wants to give nothing back.
 
Didn't the americans fight a war over that one?

Colonial America had printing presses, manufacturing, and a class system rather than a caste system (except maybe blacks, but even some of them could become normal wealthy people).

The war was also started based on the premise that the British were not respecting their natural rights as British citizens. Spanish and Portuguese colonials had no illusions that they were equal. Their wars of independence were about overthrowing the "Peninsulares" and putting themselves ontop.
 
It is easy to blame race, but being colonized by Spain and Portugal fucks a country up especially bad. These countries had a more extractive mindset and setup caste systems in their respective empires.
I honestly think that is cope.

I also think blaming race is peak nooticer midwittery, but the problem lies entirely on the people currently living here.
The country itself is prime for development. If wiped out everyone here and filled it with integral, ambitious people, the damage Portugal did to the territory would be proven to be totally negligible.

We have a crab in a pot mentality, fed to people by the media, specially, that nothing is ever our fault.
The economy? Portugal (that left nearly 150 years ago). The violence? Poverty, you can't blame the poor criminals for what they do. Lack of industry? The CIA. Couldn't be because the government nickles and dimes everyone that tries making an investment.

The amount of honest to god, self-proclaimed communists guarantee no real self reflection will ever be done. It will always be someone else's fault.
 
I honestly think that is cope.

I also think blaming race is peak nooticer midwittery, but the problem lies entirely on the people currently living here.
The country itself is prime for development. If wiped out everyone here and filled it with integral, ambitious people, the damage Portugal did to the territory would be proven to be totally negligible.

Thats the thing though. The damage done was done to the culture. The overlord is gone, and the people are long dead, but their traditions were passed down.

This is also the great irony of communism. The USSR killed the aristocrats, but continued the Russian culture of having an autocratic backed by loyal goons who run large chunks of the country. China killed the Emperor, and went through a communist cultural revolution, but they have the Confucian culture baked into their brains. They still give city dwellers preferential treatment and worship studying for a government exam.
 
Wait. I didn't know it was a disaster. Details?
In a nutshell, national debt increased, armed forces became stronger (thanks to D. Pedro himself) and started to meddle in politics and it pretty much marked the beginning of the end for the Brazilian Empire.
This is also the great irony of communism. The USSR killed the aristocrats, but continued the Russian culture of having an autocratic backed by loyal goons who run large chunks of the country. China killed the Emperor, and went through a communist cultural revolution, but they have the Confucian culture baked into their brains. They still give city dwellers preferential treatment and worship studying for a government exam.
Communism (kinda like Romans and Christians) tries to assimilate local culture because they know that a people is united through culture more than anything else. Chinese Communism tried to eradicate Chinese cultural traditions and it backfired greatly. If Mao didn't croaked he would've been put down by the CCP because they were already done with his bullshit.
 
In a nutshell, national debt increased, armed forces became stronger (thanks to D. Pedro himself) and started to meddle in politics and it pretty much marked the beginning of the end for the Brazilian Empire.
ah that makes sense. thanks.

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There was also the guy that was filming and talking about a bridge that really needed repairs, and then it just collapsed as he was filming and 6 people died. Like 2 days ago. The real brazil feeling.


(the crack you see is a result from the shockwave of the entire bridge collapsing over the water)
 
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