Why is Aurelian forgotten?

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NvII iS 8ulLt f0R 88C

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Most people not that interested in history cite Emperors like Caesar, Augustus, Constantine and sometimes Trajan or Marcus Aurelius as the best of Rome. Why don't common people know about Aurelian when he was practically the reason why Rome came out of the crisis of the third century in one piece?
 
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I guess it's because his name hasn't stuck. Caesar and Augustus's names became imperial titles. Constantine is a name that still exists to this day. For Marcus Aurelius, you can argue that he's also known for his Meditations which could appeal to more than just Roman historian enthusiasts. Trajan has the reputation of bringing Rome to it's absolute peak and I guess he named enough things after himself for it to stick. I think Traian is a name still used in Romania to this day.

Aurelian had a city named after him but it's name corrupted into Orleans over time. I'm not denying his restoration of the empire was impressive though, I just think the other guys have other factors that kept their names alive. You could also probably argue that...
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I guess it's because his name hasn't stuck. Caesar and Augustus's names became imperial titles. Constantine is a name that still exists to this day. For Marcus Aurelius, you can argue that he's also known for his Meditations which could appeal to more than just Roman historian enthusiasts. Trajan has the reputation of bringing Rome to it's absolute peak and I guess he named enough things after himself for it to stick. I think Traian is a name still used in Romania to this day.

Aurelian had a city named after him but it's name corrupted into Orleans over time. I'm not denying his restoration of the empire was impressive though, I just think the other guys have other factors that kept their names alive. You could also probably argue that the crisis of the third century isn't what people immediately think of when they think Rome, so it gets overlooked.

Hadrian more or less is responsible for creating the Israel-Palestine conflict.
 
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Aurelian is the midwit choice. You should be thanking Gallienus for the foundation he built considering he survived 15 years during the Crisis of the Third Century, helped establish the cavalry base of the military Claudius Gothicus and Aurelian would use, and kept the army intact despite plague, usurpers, hyperinflation, and barbarian invasion.
 
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Waifu Denier said:
Aurelian is the midwit choice. You should be thanking Gallienus for the foundation he built considering survived 15 years during the Crisis of the Third Century, helped establish the cavalry base of the military Claudius Gothicus and Aurelian would use, and kept the army intact despite plague, usurpers, hyperinflation, and barbarian invasion.
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Aurelian gets the credit because he finished the job. No doubt though that he wouldn't have been able to without what Gallienus and Claudius Gothicus did before his rise.
 
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Waifu Denier said:
Aurelian is the midwit choice. You should be thanking Gallienus for the foundation he built considering survived 15 years during the Crisis of the Third Century, helped establish the cavalry base of the military Claudius Gothicus and Aurelian would use, and kept the army intact despite plague, usurpers, hyperinflation, and barbarian invasion.
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Just like the proverb "The unification is like a rice cake; Oda made it, Toyotomi shaped it, and only Tokugawa ate it." lol. But still, reunifying the whole empire in just 5 years is truly impressive, and having no military defeats no less. (we don't talk about that one time the Germs got the jump on him)
 
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Admiral Throbnelius said:
Aurelian gets the credit because he finished the job. No doubt though that he wouldn't have been able to without what Gallienus and Claudius Gothicus did before his rise.
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NvII iS 8ulLt f0R 88C said:
Just like the proverb "The unification by these three figures is a rice cake; Oda made it, Toyotomi shaped it, and only Tokugawa ate it." lol. But still, reunifying the whole empire in just 5 years is truly impressive, and having no military defeats no less. (we don't talk about that one time the Germs got the jump on him)
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It would probably be more accurate to place the credit on the entire line of Emperors from Gallienus to Diocletian, considering that Rome got remarkably lucky to finally have a long string of competent soldier emperors who brought the empire from one on the brink of collapse to one where the political, military, and economic situation was finally brought under control, and we have a history where Rome didn't fall in the 3rd century.
 
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polar bear said:
The way I see it, he tried to prevent it from happening. And sure, maybe he didn't succeed BUT AT LEAST HE TRIED
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My wording was a little off. I think I was trying to say that the current conflict was something of an unintended consequence of Hadrian's actions. I can't blame him for what he did, since in the context of preventing future rebellions, his actions made sense.
Waifu Denier said:
It would probably be more accurate to place the credit on the entire line of Emperors from Gallienus to Diocletian, considering that Rome got remarkably lucky to finally have a long string of competent soldier emperors who brought the empire from one on the brink of collapse to one where the political, military, and economic situation was finally brought under control, and we have a history where Rome didn't fall in the 3rd century.
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They definitely deserve the credit for implementing those systems. I just think Aurelian gets praise because he's achieved the end goal of those reforms, reuniting and returning stability to Rome. It reminds me of how Phillip II came up with many of the military reforms that his more famous son would use for his conquests.
 
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Admiral Throbnelius said:
since in the context of preventing future rebellions, his actions made sense.
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I tough he did it because he believed he could make Aelia Capitolina Greco-Roman, and was pissed when he learned the Jews killed his settlers. This also explains why he banned circumcision beforehand.
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NvII iS 8ulLt f0R 88C said:
I tough he did it because he believed he could make Aelia Capitolina Greco-Roman, and was pissed when he learned the Jews killed his settlers. This also explains why he banned circumcision beforehand.
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I think that the main reason he kicked the Jews out, renamed the province Syria Palestina and Jerusalem to Aelia Capitolina and settled Romans there is to prevent future revolts by making the province less Jewish over time. He did it after the Bar Kokhba revolt.
 
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