Disaster Why do we never talk about Islamic slavery?

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By Sean Thomas
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Slave dealers and enslaved people on the streets of Zanzibar. Circa 1880

The beautiful Siwa Oasis in the far western deserts of Egypt is a remarkable place, for multiple reasons. It’s probably been inhabited, continuously, for 12,000 years.

Alexander the Great came here to consult the already renowned Oracle of Amun-Ra in 332BC (some say he is buried here, as he loved Siwa so much). You can swim in Roman cisterns fed by one of the 300 natural springs – which also nourish thousands of date palms and olive groves. The locals have their own Berber language – Siwi – spoken nowhere else on earth.

But there’s one facet of Siwa’s history which is less talked about. Within living memory, they had black slaves here, generally fetched from further south in Africa, and trafficked along Saharan routes trodden by Muslim pilgrims, ultimately heading for Mecca.

As I read about this nugget of history, last week – sitting on the stunningly silent, mud-brick balcony of Adrere Amellal, a hotel which overlooks the oasis – it jarred quite hard with a news story I’d read an hour previously. Namely, that politicians in California are proposing to pay reparations to black Californians who can prove they descend from slaves.

The sums being discussed are not trivial. The official taskforce has decided that entitled individuals should each get up to $1.2 million (£955,000); others say this is nowhere near enough, and every individual should get $200 million (£159 million) – that is not a typo.

Clearly, reparations on almost any scale will be brutal for the Californian budget, whatever Californians democratically decide. The idea is therefore proving controversial. But, from the perspective of Siwa, Egypt, and Muslim North Africa, the entire debate about slavery, in the West, is beyond controversial, it is bizarre, myopic and insanely one-sided. A form of moral solipsism.

It is as if slavery only ever existed, and only really matters, when done by white Europeans to black people and across the Atlantic to the Americas. The truth, though, is that slavery has been practised everywhere by everyone in every century.

In particular, slaving has been practised with great eagerness by the nations and societies of the Islamic world, for time out of mind. This was going on long before the first Portuguese slavers shipped black Africans from little Lagos on the Algarve to the fevered coasts of Brazil.

Slavery is such an intrinsic part of Islam that the treatment, utility, and social status of slaves is expressly discussed in multiple verses of the Koran. Notoriously, the Koran allows slave owners sexual rights to their female chattels – the woman is not permitted to refuse. This fact was exploited by Isis terrorists when they seized Yazidi girls as unwilling concubines.

With this divine approval of slavery, it is therefore unsurprising that Islamic societies took to slaving with gusto from the outset, as they conquered their way across Europe, Africa, and Asia.

In Africa, Islamic imperialists were especially zealous.

Whereas the evil white European trans-Atlantic slave trade transported maybe 12 million people from Portugal, Spain, Holland, Britain, France etc to the Americas over 400 melancholy years, various khans, sultans and emirs forcibly imported possibly 15-20 million black Africans to the Maghreb, Arabia, and so forth. No one is entirely sure of the number, but it is big.

Indeed, not only was the Muslim/African slave trade likely larger in numbers taken, it began much earlier, and went on far longer – perhaps 1400 years – and it was arguably even crueller. Why crueller? Because Muslim slavers castrated, brutally and automatically, so many of their male captives. They did not even care to breed them.

Black African male slaves dragged by Muslim traders along the many interior cross-desert routes, or bought on the Swahili coast, were infertile human mules to be used and then dumped. A visit to the dreadful Muslim slave pens in Zanzibar – one of the most claustrophobically evil places on earth – will give any visitor a sense of this fierce sadism, that endured over a thousand years.

And that, of course, is just Africa.

While white Europeans restricted themselves almost entirely to the trans-Atlantic trade, Muslim slavers ranged widely across Europe, Asia, anywhere. Barbary pirates – like the infamous Salé Rovers – took white slaves from Italy, Spain, France, Britain, Bosnia, Croatia, Russia, even America, well into the 19th century. At least a million white slaves were seized in total.

In England they particularly preyed upon remote coasts like Devon and Cornwall – humble fishermen out of Penryn, or Polperro, if they got unlucky, could end up as helots building the lavish palaces of Islamic Morocco.

At the same time, Muslim conquerors in south Asia were busy enslaving many millions there: a sense of the scale is given by particulars: eg, just one Delhi Sultan, Alauddin Khalji (died 1316), is said to have owned 50,000 slave boys, and 70,000 construction workers. Further south, Muslims across Indochina enslaved indigenous peoples, en masse.

And of course, everywhere in the world, Muslims voraciously hunted for young white-skinned female slaves for sex. Circassian girls in the Caucasus were particularly prized; it was once claimed that Egyptian royalty might have died out if the caliphs had not had pale-skinned green-eyed Circassian girls to keep their ardour sharpened.

It’s a grim history. Yet no one has ever really sat down and totalled the number of slaves taken by Islamic nations and societies. It could be double the numbers of people enslaved by western Europeans since Columbus.

In fact, and if anything, we tend to actively diminish Islamic slavery. We minimise it, ignore it, or defang its nastiness. For example, if you try Googling the words ‘Islam’ and ‘slavery’ you get – first result – mealy mouthed pap like this from the BBC:

‘Islam treated slaves as human beings as well as property. Islam banned the mistreatment of slaves – indeed the tradition repeatedly stresses the importance of treating slaves with kindness and compassion. Islam allowed slaves to achieve their freedom and made freeing slaves a virtuous act.’

Islamic slavery is seen here as practically an act of kindness. There is no mention of wholesale castration and rape. And certainly no mention of reparation.

So why do we have this insanely one sided view of slavery? Even though slavery was not abolished in half of the Islamic world until the 20th century (in Mauritania as late as 1981)?

Perhaps it is because Muslims are not wallowing in Muslim guilt, and are therefore immune to being guilt-tripped. Perhaps it is because Muslims do not have a special class of academics, weaponising ‘intrinsic’ Muslim evil against Muslims themselves.

Instead, they have accepted that horribly bad things occurred, on a literally imperious scale, but the only sane solution is to draw a line. Slavery was an evil thing, it happened everywhere, but we cannot alter the past: we move on. If we do anything we should focus on the slavery that still exists – inside the Islamic world and far beyond.

Siwa itself is a good example of a place that has moved on. Black people are a fairly common sight, many of them are descendants of slaves. There seems, to this outside observer, to be little anger or resentment. Life endures – and sometimes improves. ‘Cleopatra’s spring’ still bubbles away in the shade of the date palm.

And from this timeless perspective it is California and the wider West that, apparently, needs emancipation: from its delusions, its self-absorption, its ecstasies of grief and its moral orgasms of remorse – and its crazy belief that folding money and statue-toppling can repair history, while ignoring the actual history of the world.
 
We never "talk about" Muslim slavery because what we "talk about" is dictated by a mainstream media controlled by Jews whose main tribal interest is in attacking the white majority, not the Muslim minority. Slavery is thus used as a blood libel against whites even though it's been done by everybody, only ever stopped by whites.
 
We never "talk about" Muslim slavery because what we "talk about" is dictated by a mainstream media controlled by Jews whose main tribal interest is in attacking the White majority, not the Muslim minority. Slavery is thus used as a blood libel against Whites even though it's been done by everybody, only ever stopped by Whites.
FIFY.
 
Because journoscum and Western leaders are afraid of moose-limb goatfuckers. They know that angering the durkadurkas will result in actual violence against them. Whereas they're not afraid of White Christians, so they feel free to mock them endlessly, since they have yet to face any consequences for doing so.

Fear keeps them in line. We need another Crusade.
 
We never "talk about" Muslim slavery because what we "talk about" is dictated by a mainstream media controlled by Jews whose main tribal interest is in attacking the white majority, not the Muslim minority. Slavery is thus used as a blood libel against whites even though it's been done by everybody, only ever stopped by whites.
I know this isn't /pol/ but...

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We never "talk about" Muslim slavery because what we "talk about" is dictated by a mainstream media controlled by Jews whose main tribal interest is in attacking the white majority, not the Muslim minority. Slavery is thus used as a blood libel against whites even though it's been done by everybody, only ever stopped by whites.
And even when chattel slavery was practiced in white-majority countries, I have some unfortunate news for you as to who made up a disproportionate amount of the slave owners/traders...
 
We never talk about Muslims because it’s too fucking easy to mock them. That’s why we joke about Mormons and Amish and shit in general chat instead. But with Muslims it’s like shooting fish in a barrel. Give any stereotype possible and they have at least a little bit of that going on.

And why? It’s just like with trannies, they cannot handle any criticism. So they’re more annoying and loathsome to put up with than other groups or religions.
 
Yep, this is a HUGE problem in all the rich petrostates in the middle east. All of those fancy buildings were built by slave labor.
 
Alexander the Great came here to consult the already renowned Oracle of Amun-Ra in 332BC (some say he is buried here, as he loved Siwa so much)
Nobody says that. Ever. He wanted to be buried there but its quite well established and absolutely indisputable that he was not
 
The unspoken answer is "They're too stupid to know any better", which is where all this inequity bullshit comes from. If we all saw each other as capable we'd hold every to equal standards. There's a difference between giving someone a boost and dragging them through life.

I'm a bit off topic but you know what I mean.
 
Thats easy. There's no payout.

In the West, any slavery narrative proposed with sufficient passion will eventually earn dividends. If ignored, the activists turn to violence and have a history of getting away with it. There's every reason to get as ridiculous as possible. Angry threats and harassment are encouraged.

In the Muslim world, such antics are punished with death. Sometimes executions are on-the-spot.
 
Slavery in the US was called "the peculiar institution" for a reason. If you only think of slavery as being (1) agricultural, (2) racial, and (3) chattel then you'll have a blind spot for other forms of slavery past and present (indentured servitude, serfdom, debt slavery, etc.). This is convenient for anyone getting rich off labor practices that could be called slavery in a broader conceptualization. I think this is at least a partial explanation for the narrow focus.
 
We never "talk about" Muslim slavery because what we "talk about" is dictated by a mainstream media controlled by Jews whose main tribal interest is in attacking the white majority, not the Muslim minority. Slavery is thus used as a blood libel against whites even though it's been done by everybody, only ever stopped by whites.

nah it's because of a KGB propaganda campaign

Jews don't like Muslims and if you look at Jewish Hollywood movies from the golden age you will not see Muslim slavery presented in any kind of nice light, while on the other hand, just to take one example, Gone With the Wind was produced by the happiest of merchants, David Selznick.

the creation of the narrative that specifically American - not white, because the Spanish and Portuguese and French get a pass, *American* - slavery was the worst of the worst and all you really need to think about was part of the Soviet project to convince black people to do a revolution.
 
Muslim slavery is discussed in mainstream Media at least in Europe including the modern slavery happening in the middle east.

The Atlantic slave trade is more discussed in the United States because the western habit of (generally and at least more than others) to sort their own shit out and because it has become a political talking point for the left using it as an excuse for people underperforming. It's obviously bullshit but that's how it goes. Some parts of western society hate their countries and countrymen and will do everything to slander them and will also act like the brown people can do no wrong.

Another aspect why the old Muslim slave trade doesn't matter much is because Muslim countries are still doing way more fucked up shit today. So if you want to attack them you don't need to bring up history you can point at things happening there right now.
 
Why don't we discuss the Indian tribes and their use of slavery? Why don't we discuss white captives being sold to the French and British and then sold into slavery in the Caribbean? Why don't we discuss the black slaver owners and slave traders and slave catchers in America? Because we don't want a real discussion or the real facts to become part of the narrative. What we want is for the evil and racist whites to be lectured by the poor and oppressed minorities for political reasons that will eventually turn into monetary reasons.

Just wait until whites become minorities in the West. You will see reparations in our lifetimes and it will be used to destroy our own economies and it is all by design.
 
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