Why do people oppose Nuclear Power?

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GratsTheat783

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Whenever I've heard nuclear power talked about, on the right and on the left, it's regarded as the second coming of Christ and the solution to all of our energy problems, yet there seems to be a certain group of people who oppose nuclear energy and try to prevent it going forward. The reasoning I've heard about why they oppose it is because they look back at disasters surrounding nuclear power plants, like Chernobyl, and assume that they occurred solely due to nuclear power rather than due to mismanagement.

Are there any solid reasonings from those who oppose nuclear power or is it mostly fear-mongering?
 
I would like nuclear power, but I have to be a bit of a NIMBY unless the plant has a better seismic plan than "ur dead lol," which is the earthquake plan for everything else here so far. If it's earthquake-proof by all means put it in my back yard.

Actually, this would be easier if I could just have a couple of those Soviet RTGs to power my house. That way nobody else has to get involved, and we don't have to try to get permits from the City, which takes basically forever. Ex-SSRs have tons of leftover RTGs from lighthouses and relay stations just lying around, and I'm reasonably responsible. Let's find good homes for the orphan sources!
 
Short answer Chernobyl, everyone knows this already. The HBO series was a solid 9/10 amazing show.


The same people who think communism will save the world saw communists engineer a nuclear power plant that failed killing hundreds and figured: communism good /nuclear power bad.

The first line of this scene explains the Chernobyl disaster perfectly. The rest of the scene is an example of how great the series was.

 
human error.
It could be the safest power station ever but with humans in the loop somewhere there is ALWAYS the possibility of a monumental fuck up.
Also at the will of nature as Fukushima showed everyone.

Short answer Chernobyl,
and the decision makers of today were of that age when Chernobyl happened. I was a teenager & there was plans for a station near us but that got the brakes put on quick smart lol
 
Short answer Chernobyl, everyone knows this already. The HBO series was a solid 9/10 amazing show.


The same people who think communism will save the world saw communists engineer a nuclear power plant that failed killing hundreds and figured: communism good /nuclear power bad.

The first line of this scene explains the Chernobyl disaster perfectly. The rest of the scene is an example of how great the series was.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=4BUb0IB0LOE
The shit that happened at Chernobyl was because of there egos and bad engineering. But mostly because of there big ass egos. The shit in chernobly was so stupid
 
Whenever someone comes and tells you that people are only against nuclear of fear, or it is because of the hippies and green energy lovers, you should be sceptical and test the merit of the person that gives the answer before you consider it.

One aspect where recent nuclear power was doing bad is the economics.
Ask for any nuclear power plant in construction or recently finished in the West and ask them to just give you the capital cost per MWh so far. All the numbers are available. The math is not complicated. But it immediately shows if the opinion is worth of consideration.

Just ask for the calculation for Vogtle 3+4, Hinkley Point C, Flamanville Unit 3 or another one.
 
Usually, the opposition is due to outdated notions on nuclear plant safety (ie: thinking that they are ticking time bombs that will undergo meltdown at the drop of a hat), and lack of knowledge about radiation [and its different types] in general. Sometimes, it's because people don't want to live near a plant due to how it would affect their housing/neighborhood prices.

For example, when Fukushima released radioactive water for the third time last year, there was panic and fear in the public; however, the radioactive water was already extensively treated. Burning coal also releases radiation, but the general public wouldn't really know about that.
 
Government soyence propaganda for decades taught that nuclear fission is so catastrophically dangerous that the world itself or at least all civilization will be destroyed if like more than 3 nuclear warheads go off at once. Add to that the Soviet-backed Green/environmentalist movements attempting to sabotage industry in the West with terrorism, histrionics, and other made-up soyence facts (like the idea that nuclear waste is demonic and will cause evil variants of creatures to spawn in its general vicinity), and you have completely irrational fears stoked for multiple generations across broad sections of society.
 
At this point, the powers that be are seemingly more interested in pursuing fusion with the development of the French fusion powerplant, ITER.

Alternative energy is appealing because they have lower skill requirements. For instance, Siemens offers 30-week courses to train wind turbine engineers at sea to be employed internationally.
 
Because it's quicker and easier to shovel subsidy money into your pockets with renewables than it is with nuclear.

Once you realise that the goal is to make money, not energy, it becomes blindingly obvious.
 
A. The financialisation of everything since the 80's basically ruined any progressive plans of upgrades or builds, if you are some retarded banker why lend them money when you can just buy pre-built ones(in many cases built by/for the taxpayer at their cost) cheap from Neo-Cons you've bribed and crank up the prices and run them into the ground till you are bailed out or given a bribe to upgrade them.

B. The High capital costs make them dead in the water most of the time, both from just construction costs, and the build up of environmental regulations post the pollution freakout in the 70's onward, so they cost more to build both in rep and and money then they are generally worth compared to other power sources, plus renewables have eaten their lunch while having a tangible benefit to a consumer, a new Nuke plant can't produce power cheaper than large scale renewables over the medium term, and people already go apeshit over price increases, tend to get more rooftop solar whenever there is a public increase or outcry over prices, and seeing your/a friend/relative's bill go down does way more PR than a Nuke plant changing the KWh price by a 5c at midnight ever would.

C. "Base Load" is just a meme and most people understand it even if they don't say it, most power is used during the day and evening, times Solar/Wind can easily cover with relatively small storage, Overnight power usage has always been cheaper for a reason, they can't turn the turbines off, so the big users have always been industrial, and why before renewables took off the 'advice' to save money was to switch to time of use and run high power appliances like electric hot water overnight if you could.

D. Only ever seems to be publicly pushed by the 'fUcK yEaH sCiEnCe' reddit crowd, clear fossil fuel thinktank shills(pro-tip if most of your argument is about renewals, you aren't pro-nuclear, you are anti-renewables), or Urbanists "YIMBY's" in City towers who hate people who choose not to live like rats in a warren, which generates some pretty negative PR for Nuclear regardless of actual feasibility and any rational use case.

In the end I just can't see a decent use case for it vs other options, if a plant ends up being oversized for need(as stuff gets more efficient), it's a white elephant that costs too much, if it's undersized it will need to be supplemented by renewables/storage anyways, so why not just put the money into renewables/storage and decentralise the grid a decade earlier than a plant will take to build.
 
Because nuclear threatens traditional providers like coal producers and youd better believe the coal lobby would rather the world burn before stopping us from burning the black shit out of the ground

also for some reason the left dont like it because its not as panda friendly as hydro/solar/wind despite these requiring extensive mining and manufacturing activities that belies their environmental footprint and the right probably dont like it because Chernobyl. Modern reactors though expensive are really neat in they produce next to zero waste now and basically impossible to meltdown despite being expensive as fuck
 
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