Why are people SO DUMB?

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Why do people believe feds? Why do people think this guy is anything else other than a scam scapegoat?

It's like the Luigi Mangione thing all over again. They can murder anyone they like and shift the blame to some rando nobody cares about and everyone swallows it up like it's nothing, it's insane. The real murderers are safe and sound on some three-letter agency payroll (or Mossad's).

 

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They can murder anyone they like and shift the blame to some rando nobody cares about and everyone swallows it up like it's nothing, it's insane. The real murderers are safe and sound on some three-letter agency payroll (or Mossad's).

But who's the government in this scenario? The Trump admin, who as we're seeing now are gaining a lot of leverage from his status as a martyr despite being a huge and effective champion for their cause, or the Deep State, who don't stand to benefit in any way from Kirk's removal as a political hate sink? Of course he's going to deny it. Luigi Mangione hasn't even offered a plea for his murder charge despite having a manifesto describing his motives that tracks perfectly with what Brian Thompson was doing.

I'm not saying its impossible its a conspiracy, but blaming the government for every glitch in the system is the default path for absolving yourself of having to consider that people are complicated and you can't just put everyone in a box and hope everything makes sense. Charlie Kirk, as far as we know, died from true and honest retard violence, as people in America are want to do, from presidents to activists to children. It sucks, but that's just how people die.

I should point out, as someone who has lived under fr fr no cap authoritarian regimes, 3 letter agencies don't publicly shoot people they don't like in the neck like fucking clowns, they make them 'disappear'. They get done in for 'tax avoidance' or 'private illnesses' or national security breaches or strange shit found on their computer hardware and either die mysteriously in prison or are just never seen again. There's a reason literally nobody on Earth believes Epstein killed himself.

 

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But who's the government in this scenario? The Trump admin, who as we're seeing now are gaining a lot of leverage from his status as a martyr despite being a huge and effective champion for their cause, or the Deep State, who don't stand to benefit in any way from Kirk's removal as a political hate sink? Of course he's going to deny it. Luigi Mangione hasn't even offered a plea for his murder charge despite having a manifesto describing his motives that tracks perfectly with what Brian Thompson was doing.

Why would I make a distinction between Trump's/Biden's/Clinton's/Obama's, etc., etc. and the so called "deep state"? There is no difference. Of course the Trump admin is going to play this like it's a great tragedy, there's no other option. They've already made sure to frame this as if it has nothing to do with Charlie Kirk's recent 180º on pissrael, just some random pro-trans lunatic.

Great for them in two ways:
1: stoke the flames of division and that sweet civil war that they'd love to have break out.
2: get rid of a major political figure with a very large following (to whom jewish investors had donated more than 40$ million)

I'm not saying its impossible its a conspiracy, but blaming the government for every glitch in the system is the default path for absolving yourself of having to consider that people are complicated and you can't just put everyone in a box and hope everything makes sense. Charlie Kirk, as far as we know, died from true and honest retard violence, as people in America are want to do, from presidents to activists to children. It sucks, but that's just how people die.

I should point out, as someone who has lived under fr fr no cap authoritarian regimes, 3 letter agencies don't publicly shoot people they don't like in the neck like fucking clowns, they make them 'disappear'. They get done in for 'tax avoidance' or 'private illnesses' or national security breaches or strange shit found on their computer hardware and either die mysteriously in prison or are just never seen again. There's a reason literally nobody on Earth believes Epstein killed himself.

Sweaty, when your slimy jewish tentacles are losing their grip on the most powerful nation on Earth, you need to take drastic measures. If you're paying a major political figure tens of millions of dollars to be pro-pissrael and they get this much off script, they're fucking done for. He wasn't just any podcaster, he had a massive following. This was a public execution, and it wasn't meant to be discreet. It was a message to all other big names with large followings to not play any games.

Since most people (as evidenced here) will just accept whatever their TVs blare out without as much as a second thought, they probably thought they could get away with it, and it seems like they definitely can. It's horrendous, but it doesn't come as much of a surprise after people putting up with the Epstein files mess.

 

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Of fucking course it's about the Jews.

Why would I make a distinction between Trump's/Biden's/Clinton's/Obama's, etc., etc. and the so called "deep state"? There is no difference. Of course the Trump admin is going to play this like it's a great tragedy, there's no other option. They've already made sure to frame this as if it has nothing to do with Charlie Kirk's recent 180º on pissrael, just some random pro-trans lunatic.

Sweaty, when your slimy jewish tentacles are losing their grip on the most powerful nation on Earth, you need to take drastic measures. If you're paying a major political figure tens of millions of dollars to be pro-pissrael and they get this much off script, they're fucking done for. He wasn't just any podcaster, he had a massive following. This was a public execution, and it wasn't meant to be discreet. It was a message to all other big names with large followings to not play any games.

Okay, let's think about this, because this is a different scenario than simply a conspiracy about the government.

1. Trump is a staunch supporter of Israel, one of the few things his supporters actually break with him on, and conservative politics is on the ascendency, far preferable to the interests of Israel compared to the "Free Palestine" politics of the Progressive Left and in Europe.
2. Kirk, from what I hear, was instrumental in getting Trump not only elected, but directly intervening in the war on Israel's behalf. His implied criticism of being pressured, which I think commentators have expanded into a narrative of it's own, don't undermine his effective political use to Israel's interests. From what admittedly little I know, Charlie Kirk has never formally disavowed Israel. If there's more to this, I'll happily stand corrected.
3. There are factions within supporters of the Right-wing Netanyahu government that are calling for the end of Israel's apparent dependence on US support, saying it cripples their own military complex and leaves them indebted to the US's own interests. You can find articles where they complain how Mossad does surveillance work on behalf of the US government. I bring this up to explain that the US's support of Israel isn't one way - it is a mutually beneficial arrangement to both governments, whether the average American conservative likes it or not.
4. Desperation doesn't change the game. Many others could have been eliminated at anytime, yet they weren't. Shooting somebody on camera to eliminate their influence is dumb precisely because it invites this scrutiny - in fact it makes much more sense to keep such figures alive because they are more useful.

Tactically, eliminating a popular champion of the guy currently invested in funding your nation for its dumb wars would be counterproductive. It would make much more sense to pull the same stunt on say, Candace Owens, who holds extremist views and has no love for Israel, and who's provocative personality could easily justify a public assassination and a rare opportunity for Republicans to pull the race card. The very fact you and others (including Null) bring this up as a theory is evidence against it. If it's this obvious, eliminate somebody more obvious. It would change nothing about the fallout and speculation.

Let's consider the guy who is accused of killing Kirk - he's dating a tranny (who it seems had the sense to turn on him), is suicidal, on Discord and learned about politics yesterday - all vectors for extremist non-thinking. I don't think he's an evil person so much as a desperate soul who seeks meaning though murder, as many shooters do. God knows how being on Discord radicalises people, but it does.

Again, I'm not rubbishing the idea he was assassinated by Mossad for displaying the most tokenistic scepticism for Israel, but we need more than "because Jews". There must be a clear and productive motive.

 

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Okay, let's think about this, because this is a different scenario than simply a conspiracy about the government.

1. Trump is a staunch supporter of Israel, one of the few things his supporters actually break with him on, and conservative politics is on the ascendency, far preferable to the interests of Israel compared to the "Free Palestine" politics of the Progressive Left and in Europe.

True.

2. Kirk, from what I hear, was instrumental in getting Trump not only elected, but directly intervening in the war on Israel's behalf. His implied criticism of being pressured, which I think commentators have expanded into a narrative of it's own, don't undermine his effective political use to Israel's interests. From what admittedly little I know, Charlie Kirk has never formally disavowed Israel. If there's more to this, I'll happily stand corrected.

I was skeptic of Kirk for this very reason, but he had been doing a pretty intense 180ª on his stance on israhell. Before his assassination, the last thing I learned about him was that he had been covering for Trump on the Epstein files. That's all I knew. However, I've now seen clips of him demanding the release of the files, among many other things that go against the interests of pissrael.

Watch the last video I linked, it's packed with information about this. Here:

https://odysee.com/@alltheworldsastage:0/Another-Major-Psyop---False-Flag-as-Charlie-Kirk-Executed-in-Broad-Daylight-On-Eve-of-911:d

3. There are factions within supporters of the Right-wing Netanyahu government that are calling for the end of Israel's apparent dependence on US support, saying it cripples their own military complex and leaves them indebted to the US's own interests. You can find articles where they complain how Mossad does surveillance work on behalf of the US government.

This is patently absurd. Utterly ridiculous. pissrael is nothing without US support. In fact, on 9/11 a new measure was approved by US congress in which they're sending israhell hundreds of millions of dollars yet again, I think it might easily reach billion figures, if I remember correctly. This is also discussed in the video I linked. Charlie's assassination was also a very nice distraction from that.
I assure you any talks of ending US dependency are little more than fake posturing and grandstanding. Sure, pissrael will eventually stop relying on the US once it's absolutely dry and they can't suck its blood out any more, but they'll still have to rely on some other world power at that point, like China or Russia.

I bring this up to explain that the US's support of Israel isn't one way - it is a mutually beneficial arrangement to both governments, whether the average American conservative likes it or not.

Not really. The fact of the matter is that the US is israhell's puppet, and the only beneficial thing the US government (not its people) gets out of this relationship is its members being utterly corrupt and bought by their lobbies. When talking about countries' interests, the US has absolutely no benefits from this retarded arrangement.

4. Desperation doesn't change the game. Many others could have been eliminated at anytime, yet they weren't. Shooting somebody on camera to eliminate their influence is dumb precisely because it invites this scrutiny - in fact it makes much more sense to keep such figures alive because they are more useful.

I haven't seen much scrutiny so far from most people, to be honest. Like I said, watch the videos I linked. Charlie Kirk was definitely not useful for them anymore. There's footage of his killing and he had two fucking agents behind him making signs used in the military, signalling to the sniper. The more you look into it the more obvious it becomes that this was a political assassination and not the dumb story we're being sold. Yeah, now every shooter is a random tranny or tranny chaser with expert sniping skills taking people out from rooftops. Suuure.

Tactically, eliminating a popular champion of the guy currently invested in funding your nation for its dumb wars would be counterproductive. It would make much more sense to pull the same stunt on say, Candace Owens, who holds extremist views and has no love for Israel, and who's provocative personality could easily justify a public assassination and a rare opportunity for Republicans to pull the race card.

Only he was not really championing him anymore. I don't know about Candace Owens, to be honest. She seems like controlled opposition to me, especially when she hangs out with the likes of Tucker Carlson, a self-admitted CIA asset.

The very fact you and others (including Null) bring this up as a theory is evidence against it.

If it's this obvious, eliminate somebody more obvious. It would change nothing about the fallout and speculation.

I'm sorry, but that's just dumb and it doesn't make any sense. There wasn't anyone more obvious that I can think of, with as much of an influence doing this big of a 180º turn after having been funded by jews.

Let's consider the guy who is accused of killing Kirk - he's dating a tranny (who it seems had the sense to turn on him), is suicidal, on Discord and learned about politics yesterday - all vectors for extremist non-thinking. I don't think he's an evil person so much as a desperate soul who seeks meaning though murder, as many shooters do. God knows how being on Discord radicalises people, but it does.

You seem unaware of the long history of arresting patsies in order to shift the blame from the actual culprits in assassinations of this kind. The whole story about him is utterly ridiculous. From the disassembly in seconds of the rifle he supposedly made the shot with (just one shot, what a good marksman!) and how he supposedly hid it in a forest (in desertic Utah, of all places) to the fact that the shot didn't come from the direction of the roof he supposedly made the shot from (we're told to disregard our very own eyes and act as if the shot came from the front, when it actually came from the side).

Again, I'm not rubbishing the idea he was assassinated by Mossad for displaying the most tokenistic scepticism for Israel, but we need more than "because Jews". There must be a clear and productive motive.

There is a very clear and productive motive, multiple ones, as has already been explained.