Where's all the right-leaning creatives?

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feedtheoctopus said:
And most of them suck too.
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And the reason being that they didn't want to tell a story they wanted to tell a sermon.

Stories don't have to fit into either left or right leaning categories, if you want something to have creative freedom you don't start by boxing it in because then you'll write yourself into a corner quicker. You can have structure, but even Joss Wheadon said stuff like feminism is too creatively limiting.
 
Marissa Moira said:
And the reason being that they didn't want to tell a story they wanted to tell a sermon.

Stories don't have to fit into either left or right leaning categories, if you want something to have creative freedom you don't start by boxing it in because then you'll write yourself into a corner quicker. You can have structure, but even Joss Wheadon said stuff like feminism is too creatively limiting.
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Political literature is a very hard thing to pull off, because you can't really advocate complex ideas about politics through fiction without doing some version of what Ayn Rand did and just shoving 60 pages of retarded "philosophy" in the middle of it. I've read a lot of books from people on every side of the political spectrum, most people are not good at capturing the nuances of a particular outlook on the world through literature. One of the first rules every writer learns is "show, don't tell". Well how do you show something like the military industrial complex without spelling it out bluntly? It's not easy.

Really though, I've read a lot of conservative "philosophy". I sperg a lot on threads about how much I hate everybody and everything but give me this, I'll hear people out. Right wingers in general just have a very shallow belief system that comes down to the idea that the current power structure is natural law and that empathy for those on the wrong end of it is for weak communists. Kinda hard to make it sympathetic unless you do what Barry Goldwater did and just say the word "freedom" out of context so much the word loses all meaning.
 
feedtheoctopus said:
Political literature is a very hard thing to pull off, because you can't really advocate complex ideas about politics through fiction without doing some version of what Ayn Rand did and just shoving 60 pages of retarded "philosophy" in the middle of it. I've read a lot of books from people on every side of the political spectrum, most people are not good at capturing the nuances of a particular outlook on the world through literature. One of the first rules every writer learns is "show, don't tell". Well how do you show something like the military industrial complex without spelling it out bluntly? It's not easy.

Really though, I've read a lot of conservative "philosophy". I sperg a lot on threads about how much I hate everybody and everything but give me this, I'll hear people out. Right wingers in general just have a very shallow belief system that comes down to the idea that the current power structure is natural law and that empathy for those on the wrong end of it is for weak communists. Kinda hard to make it sympathetic unless you do what Barry Goldwater did and just say the word "freedom" out of context so much the word loses all meaning.
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have you read this?
 
feedtheoctopus said:
Really though, I've read a lot of conservative "philosophy". I sperg a lot on threads about how much I hate everybody and everything but give me this, I'll hear people out. Right wingers in general just have a very shallow belief system that comes down to the idea that the current power structure is natural law and that empathy for those on the wrong end of it is for weak communists. Kinda hard to make it sympathetic unless you do what Barry Goldwater did and just say the word "freedom" out of context so much the word loses all meaning.
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Progressives and left leaning ideologies are just as shallow.

That's why anything political tends to get confined to the background when you're telling a story.

And all if stems from gay bullshit like what Kalergi wrote. And you can tell because ideas like multiculturalism merging into a unified culture don't work and only sound good on a surface level. They never figured in needing things like assimilation and actively cutting parts of the foreign culture out so they can integrate into the host country. You now have people wanting the host country to be the one that makes the cuts and it just causes endless conflict because stuff like Islam doesn't mix with neo-liberal beliefs. They will claim it does but the moment that Afghanistan fell, gays were swinging from the signposts.

Which is why many dystopian settings are multicultural wastelands with warring factions.
 
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It's a multitude of reasons people already mentioned. Getting good and then getting things done is hard, it takes time, and liberal people often act as gatekeepers. Having time and opportunities to break through requires a certain degree of income and connections. Something that upper classes have abundance of, and most of them are liberal. Demographics play a role too. There are more people living in urban areas, and that's where population swings left. Urbanites are more willing to invest into social programs, including ones dedicated to arts. They are richer too, so there is potential to make more money by pandering to them.

Then there is a theory of creativity crisis. For whatever reason, creative juices are not flowing the same as they used to within many contemporary societies. You could blame world wars shattering traditional value systems, communism, capitalism, atomized society, polarized social climate, environmental pollutants altering brain chemistry, mood stabilizing medication, good times-bad times theory, or anything in between. Quality of modern works is pretty poor all across the board for some reason. Contemporary right wing art is not good enough to make any impact. Left wing aligned people are creatively bankrupt too. They get to broadcast their trash only because they control media institutions.
I agree with this to a degree, but take it with a grain of salt. People always complained about how bad things "now" are, and how everything was better back in the day. Even ancient Greeks did it.


feedtheoctopus said:
Political literature is a very hard thing to pull off, because you can't really advocate complex ideas about politics through fiction without doing some version of what Ayn Rand did and just shoving 60 pages of retarded "philosophy" in the middle of it. I've read a lot of books from people on every side of the political spectrum, most people are not good at capturing the nuances of a particular outlook on the world through literature. One of the first rules every writer learns is "show, don't tell". Well how do you show something like the military industrial complex without spelling it out bluntly? It's not easy.
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There is a way to do political literature without it becoming Randian slog.
You need to create fleshed out characters who struggle with or against the system, and tell their tale. That's what people like Huxley, Orwell, and Sinclair did in their best works. Their most acclaimed stories are good even though they are soaked in politics. These stories work because they do not stop to preach at the readers and characters are more than two dimensional props for the agenda. Of course that carries a risk of people learning a different lesson than what author might have intended. "The Jungle"'s impact is a good example. Sinclair's aim was to show people how immigrants and factory workers are being exploited. American public focused on poor sanitation standards of nation's meat industry instead.
 
GoPro said:
It's a multitude of reasons people already mentioned. Getting good and then getting things done is hard, it takes time, and liberal people often act as gatekeepers. Having time and opportunities to break through requires a certain degree of income and connections. Something that upper classes have abundance of, and most of them are liberal. Demographics play a role too. There are more people living in urban areas, and that's where population swings left. Urbanites are more willing to invest into social programs, including ones dedicated to arts. They are richer too, so there is potential to make more money by pandering to them.

Then there is a theory of creativity crisis. For whatever reason, creative juices are not flowing the same as they used to within many contemporary societies. You could blame world wars shattering traditional value systems, communism, capitalism, atomized society, polarized social climate, environmental pollutants altering brain chemistry, mood stabilizing medication, good times-bad times theory, or anything in between. Quality of modern works is pretty poor all across the board for some reason. Contemporary right wing art is not good enough to make any impact. Left wing aligned people are creatively bankrupt too. They get to broadcast their trash only because they control media institutions.
I agree with this to a degree, but take it with a grain of salt. People always complained about how bad things "now" are, and how everything was better back in the day. Even ancient Greeks did it.



There is a way to do political literature without it becoming Randian slog.
You need to create fleshed out characters who struggle with or against the system, and tell their tale. That's what people like Huxley, Orwell, and Sinclair did in their best works. Their most acclaimed stories are good even though they are soaked in politics. These stories work because they do not stop to preach at the readers and characters are more than two dimensional props for the agenda. Of course that carries a risk of people learning a different lesson than what author might have intended. "The Jungle"'s impact is a good example. Sinclair's aim was to show people how immigrants and factory workers are being exploited. American public focused on poor sanitation standards of nation's meat industry instead.
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I think the "liberal people control the publishing industry!" thing is largely a myth. Without fail the best selling political books in America are right wing rants written by people like Bill O'Rielly or Ann Coulter. Not only do books that are basically bitching about minorities and nothing else published, they make a lot of money. Now part of this is that republican organizations pad the numbers by buying thousands of copies of these books because they want to make it seem like people are reading them more than they are. But still, every grandpa in America has some book by a fox news personality or about how the gays are the reason we lost Vietnam lying around.

Though for what it's worth conservatives in the US have always despised the arts, if only because they think tax dollars going to anything but bombs is theft and therefore have no desire to actually support them. Culturally they tend to look down on anybody involved in anything creative with the possible exception of popular country musicians.

It's possible to write good political literature, I just think your average conservative has neither the inclination or the mindset to pull it off. If you want the pinnacle of conservative entertainment I'd argue its Red Dawn. Now, I love Red Dawn. But it's an absolutely retarded movie with as much moral and intellectual significance as huffing spray paint in a Denny's parking lot. It's about the most simplistic, paranoid, basis for a film ever. The scenario is this: illegal immigrants secretly funded and armed by Cuba and the Sandinistas infiltrate the US by sneaking across the southern border, opening the gates to a soviet invasion and occupation of the American heartland. The first thing they do is take everybody's guns, illustrated by a great scene where a guy with a "from my cold dead hands" bumper sticker has his gun ripped from his cold dead hands. High school athletes proceed to massacre hundreds of highly trained Soviet and Cuban soldiers because America is just that badass.

How conservatives view the world is basically that. And it's impossible to portray it in art without it coming off like a parody of itself.

Marissa Moira said:
Progressives and left leaning ideologies are just as shallow.

That's why anything political tends to get confined to the background when you're telling a story.

And all if stems from gay bullshit like what Kalergi wrote. And you can tell because ideas like multiculturalism merging into a unified culture don't work and only sound good on a surface level. They never figured in needing things like assimilation and actively cutting parts of the foreign culture out so they can integrate into the host country. You now have people wanting the host country to be the one that makes the cuts and it just causes endless conflict because stuff like Islam doesn't mix with neo-liberal beliefs. They will claim it does but the moment that Afghanistan fell, gays were swinging from the signposts.

Which is why many dystopian settings are multicultural wastelands with warring factions.
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If conservatives are Red Dawn then liberals are The West Wing. If red dawn is a paranoid, xenophobic, vision of a jingoistic nightmare then the west wing is a naive and idealistic mess that assumes every problem in society can be solved by appeals to reason and moderation. People are neither reasonable or moderate. They're fucking nuts. And the US government has always sucked and will always suck. It only ever does the right thing when people undermine it to the point it caves. Literally nothing good has ever come out of washington, it's come from regular people forcing washington's hand.

Anyway, I live in the most diverse place on the planet. It's fine. The existence of conflict does not negate the possibility of people living together in relative peace. In fact both usually exist at the same time.

I mentioned Ursula K Le Guinn up above. Most of her fiction is about people of vastly different cultural and political backgrounds having to find ways to live with each other. How do you create peace in a divided world? Generally her argument is that it's a never ending process, but a necessary one. There are no perfect solutions to anything, but there is always the possibility of change. And it's worth striving for.

Conservatives are incapable of that kind of ambiguity, so naturally their solution is just endless war of all against all for all eternity.
 
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I wonder if one issue is say the anonymous right wing authors that mostly post under their twitter pseudonym (I'm thinking of like Mike Ma and Delicious Tacos) while they can write interesting things, they're less stories and more like just versions of rants you'd see on 4chan. So while those can be extremely entertaining, it's not really literature in the traditional sense. I'd like to see more of these internet writers actually try to write fiction that has characters I care about and plot and motives and then a lot of the rest will fall into place.
 
Cucktano recently gave an answer to this question. He's obviously a liar since he has highly rated a few albums from right-leaning creatives, but I think this sentiment is shared by many on twitter/reddit.

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NotJewishWario said:
Cucktano recently gave an answer to this question. He's obviously a liar since he has highly rated a few albums from right-leaning creatives, but I think this sentiment is shared by many on twitter/reddit.

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the greatest works of music in history came from the right, this modern era of left wing creatives is just a blip on the history of art
 
When you are right wing in the entertainment industry, you gotta hide it for the sake of your career. Trust me, they are there, its just that, unlike leftists, they arent loud dumb asses about it and have the good decency of keeping to themselves since that shit rarely SHOULD matter.

So many whistle blowers and leakers are right wing (or at least sane enough to see the malicious destruction of culture as a bad thing no matter your politics), so they are out there, just keeping to themselves for the sake of their careers.
 
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I just want to assure everyone that the lack of genuine right-wing voices in films, TV, comics, and any other form of mainstream media you care to mention has absolutely nothing--I repeat--absolutely nothing to do with Jewish control of the media. There is no Jewish control. If there were, atheism, multicuturalism, miscegenation, and sexual degeneracy would be promoted 24/7, but I see none of that.
 
It's not even a left vs right thing anymore. As has been mentioned on other threads, plenty of us enjoy the left-wing art that was made in the 20th century and perhaps even up until a few short years ago (pre-2016?). But it's in the past decade or so that we've seen this attitude emerge where the range of "acceptable art" in some circles has narrowed to the point that even the left-wing art of yesteryear is no longer safe from cancellation. How many old films, books and games have been decried for being "transphobic" or "racist" by 2021 standards simply because they included an edgy joke, or didn't seek to bludgeon people over the head with Current Year cultural statements?

And then you have the cases of artists who were themselves personally "right-wing" on some issue, but did not make explicitly right-wing art. Even that's not allowed anymore. Be like the FNAF guy and make a video game that's beloved by terminally-online zoomers, but then they find out you're a Republican? Cancelled. Be Morrissey and make music adored by lefty hipsters since the mid-80s, but come out with mildly right-of-centre and edgy views? Cancelled. Even JK Rowling, who is quite literally a liberal lefty, and always has been, and wrote a series of books that is stereotyped as the #1 liberal-lefty Tumblrina series, is now cancelled and caricatured as some goose-stepping Nazi bitch simply because she isn't uncritically pro-transgender. Where is the room for any political disagreement at all with these people? The current standard seems to be that it doesn't even matter if the stories you're writing have no explicitly right-wing messages at all, if you're so much as seen to be siding with "the bad guys", even in just your private life, you're finished.
 
Lars Vilks might be interesting to you?
Other than that I bet there are a lot of artists that just don't talk about their views to keep the peace.

Maybe the righties got the gaming community and the lefties got the art community?
 
The handsome tard said:
When you are right wing in the entertainment industry, you gotta hide it for the sake of your carrer. Trust me, there are there, its just that, unlike leftists, they arent loud dumb asses about it and have the good decency of keeping to themselves since that shit rarely SHOULD matter.

So many whistle blowers and leakers are right wing (or at least sane enough to see the malicious destruction of culture as a bad thing no matter your politics), so they are out there, just keeping to themselves for the sake of their cultures.
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Yup. Case in point... (points out self).

If anyone in my publisher found out I vote straight ticket Republican, or hell, that my taste in spec fiction is pretty much mostly the stuff they want burned or buried, they would crucify me in front of the office.

A lot of us have to keep our heads down... which for folks like you, means you should support the people who can and do speak out twice as much.

Obie said:
I just want to assure everyone that the lack of genuine right-wing voices in films, TV, comics, and any other form of mainstream media you care to mention has absolutely nothing--I repeat--absolutely nothing to do with Jewish control of the media. There is no Jewish control. If there were, atheism, multicuturalism, miscegenation, and sexual degeneracy would be promoted 24/7, but I see none of that.
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Admittedly, I'm a member of the tribe, but I hate that old chestnut.

Issue here isn't the Jews, its the fact pop culture is controlled entirely by shmucks from New York and Los Angeles, and lefties who worship at thier feet. Yeah, Jews do pop up... because a ton of Jews live in NYC and LA, and thus, live and think like they do.

Trust me, the rest of us don't like those idiots anymore than anyone else... we have a dozen different phrases in Yiddish and Hebrew for "self-hating Jew" for a reason.

Plus, the loony lefties have taken a decidedly anti-Jewish turn as of late... just look at what the wokies in spec fiction did to Toni Weisskopf earlier tbis year.
 
albert the programmer said:
As disturbing as this sounds, the guy in my avatar would get called a “right-leaning” creative, even though he hates politics

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That would be an incredibly stupid take, Mark Twain unironically praised Ulysses S. Grant and mocked religion in a time when atheism was almost unheard of.

Boston Brand said:
Yup. Case in point... (points out self).

If anyone in my publisher found out I vote straight ticket Republican, or hell, that my taste in spec fiction is pretty much mostly the stuff they want burned or buried, they would crucify me in front of the office.

A lot of us have to keep our heads down... which for folks like you, means you should support the people who can and do speak out twice as much.



Admittedly, I'm a member of the tribe, but I hate that old chestnut.

Issue here isn't the Jews, its the fact pop culture is controlled entirely by shmucks from New York and Los Angeles, and lefties who worship at thier feet. Yeah, Jews do pop up... because a ton of Jews live in NYC and LA, and thus, live and think like they do.

Trust me, the rest of us don't like those idiots anymore than anyone else... we have a dozen different phrases in Yiddish and Hebrew for "self-hating Jew" for a reason.

Plus, the loony lefties have taken a decidedly anti-Jewish turn as of late... just look at what the wokies in spec fiction did to Toni Weisskopf earlier tbis year.
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What do you think of David Hackett Fischer's assertion that Jews in America are almost fully assimilated to the regional cultures they moved into?

Fortunato Brown said:
And frankly, this is just as important to shifting a nation more right wing as the political sphere. How much of these crazies had their political views and perceptions of the world shaped by the media they consume? How much of the trump era Resistance crap came from teens fed on a diet of Hunger Games and other YA novels? Basically guys like Peter Thiel should stop spending 10 million on some rando's Senate candidacy and instead on a publishing company or a film studio. Of course that itself would have the issue since there would be incentive to create "right wing media" which is exactly what you don't want since it'll feel forced and terrible. You just need a place where creatives will flock to because it'll judge the creator by the merit and quality of the story, not on how woke it is.
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I wonder if one of the few huge exceptions to this, Peter Jackson's LOTR films and the legendarium they draw upon, are the main reason that the Right even stands a chance. For every screeching leftie who thought Trump is President Snow, is there also a right-wing sperg who thinks that Kushner is Wormtongue, or Soros Saruman? It could explain why much of the "New Right" was more into aesthetics and much less concerned with making "line go up". I know that actual neo-nazis (who share some of these traits) were around ever since Rockwell, but I doubt they could account for all of it.
 
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