Where's all the right-leaning creatives?

[Adolf Hitler]

Art has been a left wing thing since modernism.

Evola was a modernist, so were the futurists. Modernism attracted all kinds of 'New Man' enthusiasm, both from the right as the left, hell, Mondrian was a theosophist.

 

[Seminal Ointments Lain]

I'll make it easy. I'm a native of the anglosphere, but not british or american.

A Disgruntled Leaf.

 

[Naturally]

There's a few things working against right-wing creatives, culturally.

First: at least in America, conservative culture is typically heavily focused on work-life separation. Your work is what you do to make money, period. The idea that your job has "advancing some cause you believe in" as a major aspect means you're working for a charity, in which case you're either doing it for free (weirdo) or you're doing it for the money, in which case your beliefs have nothing to do with it and you're back to just doing a job. It's fairly recently that the idea of a business refusing money ('Bake the cake, bigot!') was even taken seriously, and then it's strictly pushed into the religious objection category, because the idea of anyone refusing work for any principle that wasn't literally a case of "I believe God Himself commanded me to not do this" is just kind of baffling.

Second: there's also an entertainment-life separation. Back when Gamergate and Comicsgate and other bullshit was firing up, the rallying cry from the explicitly right-wing side of things tended to be that entertainment should be completely apolitical escapism. Even pretty right-wing critics took the stance that the problem was "SJWs injecting their politics into everything" and that the proper thing to do was to be completely politically neutral, and when someone so much as floated the idea of explicitly right-wing entertainment, a lot of people would cry "That makes you just as bad as the left!" Again, you had some exceptions for Christians, but the attitude was that anything explicitly "Christian entertainment" was for a very select group of weirdos, often kids, and you'd never do that sort of thing with the intention of putting it in front of other people, or - God forbid - impacting the culture.

That's why you have sayings like "get woke, go broke". The conservative mindset in America is largely market-oriented, and good ideas are ideas that make money and bad ideas don't, so a right-wing artist arriving on the scene who struggles (even for wildly unfair/censorious reasons like total deplatforming) is going to be mocked as a failure, even by the conservatives whose causes he was championing. Contrast that with the left, which will cheer on people even as they completely destroy once-successful franchises or end up fired.

Anyway, I think all this has been changing, and would be changing even faster if you didn't have deplatforming, canceling and debanking going on as much as it is.

Even while that's happening, you still have some explicitly right-wing artists and groups. Vox Day (yeah, I know) has his Alt-Hero and other stuff going on. You have guys like Doug TenNapel who are open about their views and who has even written some explicitly conservative comics -- I actually first learned his name not because of Earthworm Jim but by stumbling on some comic he wrote which was Intelligent Design themed. But the problem you get with these things is that, even when right-wing creators make something, good luck finding it. For whatever reason, no one's even made a site where you can go to find right- or right-friendly content, despite there being artists out there making it.

To cap it all off: artists who are daring enough to go right-wing in what they create are generally also going to be daring enough to upset the big sacred kosher cow of the American and generally Western conservatism.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

It's a long story but basically it wasn't always this way. Lefties gradually took over every institution and now have a cultural monopoly. Also, people are cowards and place profit above principles, that's why even conservative indies are, at best, politically secretive/neutral in public.

Look at the Five Nights at Freddie's guy, I don't like his shitty yet popular games but he was cancelled when people found out he's MAGA. That's how things are now. It's no wonder every creative seems left or neutral when you see that shit.

 

[DoubleD]

1. Creating controversial things can get you cancelled and exiled from the community.

2. What gets popular is often influenced by who you know. Since the kingmakers of the creative world often lean left, they use their influence to promote other lefties and quash people whose opinions they disagree with.

3. Right wingers tend to be older people who have kids and jobs. Young people who have time to dream and create tend to lean left.

Plenty of older creative types remain stubbornly left-wing, despite having kids and jobs. To me, there is something else they have in common. Both creativity and leftism come from the same fundamental impulse: a person's desire to change the world around them.

In the case of creativity, it's about a small part of the world that you control fully, and changing it into an expression of your unique autistic vision.

In the case of leftism, it's about how the entire world can be changed to match your vision for a perfect (or at least better) version of society.

The main difference is that one is individualistic, whereas the other is collective.

But the people satisfied with the status quo are a lot less likely to think the world as they know it is missing something, and therefore less likely to want to create a thing that fills that void.

 

[mindlessobserver]

They are on Amazon Kindel if you are in to books.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

This thread reminds me of this recent video that The Distributist made.

I don't fully agree with his conclusions but I think he has the right idea going forward.

 

[Honk Hill]

The right was dunking on the left in the 60's.

 

[💗Freddie Freaker💗]

Plenty of older creative types remain stubbornly left-wing, despite having kids and jobs. To me, there is something else they have in common. Both creativity and leftism come from the same fundamental impulse: a person's desire to change the world around them.

In the case of creativity, it's about a small part of the world that you control fully, and changing it into an expression of your unique autistic vision.

In the case of leftism, it's about how the entire world can be changed to match your vision for a perfect (or at least better) version of society.

The main difference is that one is individualistic, whereas the other is collective.

But the people satisfied with the status quo are a lot less likely to think the world as they know it is missing something, and therefore less likely to want to create a thing that fills that void.

There's people who are satisfied with the status quo?

 

[Jazz never died!]

Me and my friend are working on a video game and i'm a republican and hes a former dem not fully ready to embrace the red side of politics. I think there a lot out there but due to social ostarization and the far left going mad most hide it. Of course as i get older i generally stop caring about politics its the same shit that plays to two far extremes that fail to catch the middle. The last one who caught the middle was Trump both times and he got cheated. So i will never vote again its rigged.

 

[BoobWhiskers]

I know it's been said a million times already, but honestly: doing the same thing we're all doing here, keeping our true feelings carefully seperate from our public lives because it's not worth the lynch mob.

Had a friend a while back who was going to art school in the Bay Area (which was a mistake in and of itself, for a whole slew of reasons that are probably readily apparent to everyone here). Braver soul than me, she would actually speak her mind on her opinions, and apparently that was such a rarity that the entire school knew her as 'the conservative'.
She took some comics class taught by some absolute libtard of a teacher who was just everything you'd expect, and after said friend had the absolute audacity to propose a Wrongthink Comic, the teacher tried to fail her (and thereby delay her graduation at Very Expensive School by a semester). The art was superb, the comic was more than competent, it was purely on an ideological basis. Friend's parents had to threaten to sue.
The horrible opinion of the comic? That making everything about race was divisive and actively slowing progress towards equality.

 

[Jagraveen]

The way that things are now shouldn't have to be this way if the leftards weren't so totalitarian about their politics. Most content creators on the Right today only post new articles at this point because if they try to get into the industry themselves, they'll have to hide or not speak about any of their worldviews lest the commies start going into tardrages. The only best bet for dissidents such as myself is to talk politics in places where they would least check. Twitter is the last place for any of us to talk there because damn will they get fucking mad over it.

 

[Slap47]

I have a book of ideas for a story about the importance of tradition, family and the dangers of unrestricted markets. Give me a few years and I might churn something out.

 

[Drain Todger]

They're probably working and/or raising kids. Most creative and expressive endeavors get pushed to the back burner or kept private to protect their families.

This. It's very hard to be creative when you're working 84-hour weeks and spending most of your downtime simply recuperating, half-dazed from sleep deprivation. Tumblr NEETs get to be creative and influence society with their ideas because they have endless free time. Huh. It's almost like the people most directly responsible for keeping society running are the ones with the least say in all of it. Half of us are always busy, and the other half are full-time blabbermouths.

The other thing is the ongoing march of cancel culture and political correctness shutting out right-wing ideas in books and movies. Most of these places, if you send in a manuscript and some SockJuice editor doesn't like it, they can say "This is awful and you're awful for writing it, eww, eww, disgusting!" and throw it in the fireplace.

Some publishers are still based. There's Baen Books, and... Baen Books... oh.

And the fucking cunts are trying to get them shut down, too.

Publishing House Baen Books Attacked by Cancel Culture

EDIT: I’ve added the responses from Toni Weisskopf, David Weber, and Eric Flint at the end. Baen Books is a sci-fi/fantasy publishing house that has been around since the early 1980s. They’ve published thousands of titles from hundreds of authors. Baen is notable in our current time period...

monsterhunternation.com

 

[DoubleD]

There's people who are satisfied with the status quo?

'Satisfied with the status quo' is in relative terms here. The right are not the ones actively rooting for western civilisation to collapse.

 

[GenericEdgelordSupreme]

Maybe right-wing creatives are too busy working full-time jobs at the business factory to include unprofitable artistic endeavors in their lives.

 

[PaleTay]

The problem is people are stupid and I mean that genuinely and that allows censorship and prioritizes quantity over quality in content.
I have an idea for a book series and it seems like something that could be massive, but it would take effort to flesh out the idea and luck in getting publishing/marketing whereas a lot of self-insert fan fiction gets decently popular.

 

[More AWS-8Q Than You]

This. It's very hard to be creative when you're working 84-hour weeks and spending most of your downtime simply recuperating, half-dazed from sleep deprivation. Tumblr NEETs get to be creative and influence society with their ideas because they have endless free time. Huh. It's almost like the people most directly responsible for keeping society running are the ones with the least say in all of it. Half of us are always busy, and the other half are full-time blabbermouths.

The other thing is the ongoing march of cancel culture and political correctness shutting out right-wing ideas in books and movies. Most of these places, if you send in a manuscript and some SockJuice editor doesn't like it, they can say "This is awful and you're awful for writing it, eww, eww, disgusting!" and throw it in the fireplace.

Some publishers are still based. There's Baen Books, and... Baen Books... oh.

And the fucking cunts are trying to get them shut down, too.

Publishing House Baen Books Attacked by Cancel Culture

EDIT: I’ve added the responses from Toni Weisskopf, David Weber, and Eric Flint at the end. Baen Books is a sci-fi/fantasy publishing house that has been around since the early 1980s. They’ve published thousands of titles from hundreds of authors. Baen is notable in our current time period...

monsterhunternation.com

The funny part is that Eric Flint isn't even right-wing and a lot of Baen's "right-wing" authors are more libertarian. To be fair, they do publish John Ringo and I'm sure he can send the Leftists into fits simply by existing. Paladin of Shadows was a better series about BDSM than 50 Shades was too. There's also a lot of right leaning creative types into self publishing. If you're into Mil Sci-Fi it's a pretty good time, especially with Jason Ansbach and Nick Cole's Galaxy's Edge. Sci-Fi has always been an odd duck in how it's been split though. I think part of it is that right-leaning creatives get no "signal boosting" either. The broader media just won't talk about you if they don't have to.

 

[Glowie Hunter Art Bell]

Most of the right leaning creatives are on YouTube, making content generally for hobbyist/enthusiast channels. Most gun channels, most US based car channels that aren't JDM Focused, most DIY/Home improvement channels, as well as the various comedy/discussion channels. Most things that involve motor skills and thinking that aren't "science" circlejerk channels (you know the ones I mean)

Whistlin Diesel for example did a better hilux test than Top Gear did (granted Top gear is awful British garbage) on what was probably half the budget.

 

[Key the Metal Shitposter]

Its easy in our modern times to think that Right wing people are less creative or some other weird reason like "we're too practical for art". But I believe it is important to put things into perspective, the kind of neo-liberal post-modernist art that has pervaded western culture for a mere 50-60 years stands on the shoulders of centuries and centuries of primarily conservative and traditionalist art. People have forgotten this, and I think this is why you see people like this man here conjure up weird copes such as these (not to pick on Carlos, just a perfect example of what im talking about).

Right-leaning creatives of what? Of cartoons for adults? The idea that a large percent of the society should be "creative" and "create" works of "art" or "culture" is inherently leftoid. Women should create babies. Men should create themselves to be strong and self-reliant, like God intended them to be. The only thing a man should create is a family. A man should create a household for himself. This is actually creating something that matters, unlike doodling a comic strip. Do you need so much to read right-leaning comic books, watch right-leaning cartoons and collect right-leaning funko pops?