Where's all the right-leaning creatives?

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Edgeymcedgename said:
I think it's kinda the mentality that the director of Civil War movie has, you can't have a good action scene because that makes violence fun and VIOLENCE IS NOT FUN!
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action movies require action.

shit on michael bay all you want, there's a reason he was hired to make all those movies.
 
They exist, they just don't beat you over the head with politics. If they do openly talk about their beliefs it's because they have fuck you money/they know their fans don't give a fuck. Remember that JK Rowling is now considered right wing. Creatives who are  good at what they do don't beat you over the head with their beliefs. Leftoid creatives are Morgoth-tier, unable to create, only destroy and corrupt.
 
Because there is no reason and no benefit for someone right leaning to outwardly display their politics, it doesn't help them in any way to declare themselves as such.
The left makes their politics their identity that's why so many of them are young and or emotion clowns. Whereas the rights politics are a means to an end.

The people in Hollywood who keep their mouths shut are mostly right-leaning and sometimes give little hints. A perfect example is Denzel Washington, other than donating to Obama, he's dropped hints he is a conservative Christian many times.

Conservatism in hollywood is subtle and no in your face. Perfect example was the EPA goon in ghostbusters, if you watch his character its clearly an attack on the feds and big government types as shortsighted.
 
Edgeymcedgename said:
It has action, you just have to make it less fun. Because violence bad.
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I bet these people complain about WW2 adaptations because the Germans aren't portrayed as insultingly retarded caricatures.
Peepeepoopoo Witch said:
They exist, they just don't beat you over the head with politics. If they do openly talk about their beliefs it's because they have fuck you money/they know their fans don't give a fuck. Remember that JK Rowling is now considered right wing. Creatives who are  good at what they do don't beat you over the head with their beliefs. Leftoid creatives are Morgoth-tier, unable to create, only destroy and corrupt.
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Well yeah, Mel Gibson's one too.

It's funny because I swear, it's always the ones that want to be main characters.
High-fructoseCornSyrup said:
Because there is no reason and no benefit for someone right leaning to outwardly display their politics, it doesn't help them in any way to declare themselves as such.
The left makes their politics their identity that's why so many of them are young and or emotion clowns. Whereas the rights politics are a means to an end.

The people in Hollywood who keep their mouths shut are mostly right-leaning and sometimes give little hints. A perfect example is Denzel Washington, other than donating to Obama, he's dropped hints he is a conservative Christian many times.

Conservatism in hollywood is subtle and no in your face. Perfect example was the EPA goon in ghostbusters, if you watch his character its clearly an attack on the feds and big government types as shortsighted.
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fucking hell didn't Chris Pratt get shit because. . . he goes to church and is a family man? I feel like that was overblown because he's in the MCU but lmfao.
 
I would guess some of them are laughing all the way to the bank, too. I find it hard to believe that some of the richest people in entertainment, despite living in a place like California, wouldn't hide money offshore, wouldn't care what all their staff is paid, don't give a shit about greenlighting a project with some lines about politically correct idpol sprinkled in as long as it makes them money, I can hardly call that left-wing. "Socially liberal, fiscally conservative" is a thing people used to say, right? I just think they might not care about the social views in light of what it can do for them elsewhere. But you can't convince me some of these people aren't just paying some nice social justicey lip service.

Otherwise I agree that many creatives just aren't beating you over the head with their personal views, so the question isn't where the conservative creators are, but where the explicitly conservative virtue-signalling media is, and I don't have the atsimu required to answer that.
 
The question you're asking is: "Where are all the transphobic creatives?" Because the modern left-right political spectrum only tells where you stand on trans right.

Otherwise what the hell do Religious Conservatives have in common with Libertarians, or National Socialists?
 
I go back and forth as to whether the 'creative' industry tends to attract libtards inherently or whether the industry creates more libtardation simply because it is dominated by libtards.

I think there is something to the notion that fictional writing, acting, showmanship etc tends to attract a somewhat more malcontented crowd that either wants to show off and feel special or wants to lecture and 'fix' others. Its kind of the same reason academia and the media is dominated by libtards. Conservatives tend to be more contented with the system day to day and their place in it and will not be as put off living an ordinary life in an ordinary job or a career where they are not rocking the boat.

But while this might be an initial factor I think overall there are more important reasons. Holyweird and academia wasn't always as leftwing as it is now. Sometimes they were even downright based. What keeps Holyweird the way it is would be the immense peer pressure of being surrounded by libtards or people pretending to be libtards.

This is hard to imagine for those who fight in political comment sections all day long and have highly developed systematically thought out ideologies and beliefs. But most people go through life with very amorphous unfocused views. Even if they have strong opinions on something political they more likely have never really thought about it to any great extent. You chuck these people in their young formative years into an environment where everyone is libtard and it is no surprise they come out the same way. Even the ones that miraculously manage to avoid the brainwashing have to hide.

Its easy to imagine another world where in different circumstances Taylor Swift became a stay at home conservative book author and mom popping out 10 kids. Or the mostly feminized British white men of today marching across foreign countries like the olden days of imperialism.
 
grump said:
I go back and forth as to whether the 'creative' industry tends to attract libtards inherently or whether the industry creates more libtardation simply because it is dominated by libtards.

I think there is something to the notion that fictional writing, acting, showmanship etc tends to attract a somewhat more malcontented crowd that either wants to show off and feel special or wants to lecture and 'fix' others. Its kind of the same reason academia and the media is dominated by libtards. Conservatives tend to be more contented with the system day to day and their place in it and will not be as put off living an ordinary life in an ordinary job or a career where they are not rocking the boat.

But while this might be an initial factor I think overall there are more important reasons. Holyweird and academia wasn't always as leftwing as it is now. Sometimes they were even downright based. What keeps Holyweird the way it is would be the immense peer pressure of being surrounded by libtards or people pretending to be libtards.

This is hard to imagine for those who fight in political comment sections all day long and have highly developed systematically thought out ideologies and beliefs. But most people go through life with very amorphous unfocused views. Even if they have strong opinions on something political they more likely have never really thought about it to any great extent. You chuck these people in their young formative years into an environment where everyone is libtard and it is no surprise they come out the same way. Even the ones that miraculously manage to avoid the brainwashing have to hide.

Its easy to imagine another world where in different circumstances Taylor Swift became a stay at home conservative book author and mom popping out 10 kids. Or the mostly feminized British white men of today marching across foreign countries like the olden days of imperialism.
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I'd say you're pretty on-point with that analysis.

It's about an 80/20 mix of nurture vs nature, imo. Most conservatives are more pragmatic in nature, and are the type to actively try to manage (or ignore, in many cases) their emotions and focus on the day-to-day aspects of life. Liberals tend to be the opposite: flighty, grandiose, emotional. It makes sense there would be more aspiring artists that fit into the latter group.

The rest, however, is mostly cultural peer pressure. The vast majority of liberals I know didn't give a shit about politics until they were in college, then conservatism became a thing for uncool, stodgy old people at best. I cannot overstate how much that perception is the sole reason so many young people are leftists.

Hollywood is leftist partially because they're paid propagandists, but mostly because it makes it much easier to rationalize and co-exist with all the rampant immoral degeneracy that goes on, and because it makes more sense to be a top-down big government type if you're a narcissistic psychopath with a God complex.

That all being said though, I'm pretty optimistic the art world isn't going to stay that way. It just feels like the modern left has hit some kind of critical mass where they're too crazy to actually be functional, and they've stopped making anything actually good.
 
People in Western and pro-Western countries (to an extent) are too liberal to make something right-wing. And all potential right-wing creators are too busy working (be it sweeping streets or running a transnational corporation) and having babies, they don't have the time nor the will to make right-leaning art. They probably think art is all gay satanic commies.
 
Bloudwulf said:
The question you're asking is: "Where are all the transphobic creatives?" Because the modern left-right political spectrum only tells where you stand on trans right.

Otherwise what the hell do Religious Conservatives have in common with Libertarians, or National Socialists?
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They love white babys.
 
Easy you have to read between the lines to get the right leaning creative types like myself's message it's not slammed into your head with the subtlety of a Framing Hammer,25.
Also all of the greatest sci-fi and fantasy writers of all time or right leaning Ender's Game Starship Troopers the Lord of the rings.

Also since right wing ideology is based on fundamental truths about nature and not based on being at war with reality in the laws of God and nature we don't need to constantly reaffirm our beliefs in our writing we just need to write stories of how the world actually is from a fantasy or sci-fi perspective.
Actually all leftists when writing heroic characters and trying to parody the right fundamentally fail at it because everything they consider nasty it's fundamental to the building blocks of society that's why warhammer 40K fails at being satire of the right
 
Big Ruski said:
Rights are more reactors then creators.
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I've seen this said so many times but I will say that Leftists are always secondaries.
Right- here is a what social acceptable relationship is i.e. marriage between man and woman which this concept developed out of tribal and early agricultural humans society
Left reacts to the the right's initial premise and think they are "creating" by taking say marriage and making it between man and man
They are completely reacting to the right who always developed the initial premise and phenomena
They also having the audacity to pretend that any social change is leftist in the first place but that traditional cultural norms were instituted by some patriarchy or a secret hidden right wing group
So what is? did leftist lead every culture change which means than conservatives and right wingers are just maintaining previously leftists positions? which means that leftists were religious, racist fanaticals at some point and right wingers are wrong to not get the memo of the next big leftist change as they continually try to make their ideal civilization? or is that civilization was developed from the right and leftists leeches are simply trying to gain control of it because why didn't leftist utopia just develop in the first place and any social changes occur at all? what im trying to say is if leftists are the "creators" why wasn't the perfect society developed in the first place?
If they are so enlightened why hasn't this been the norm and path humanity took in the beginning?
 
The debate about whether artists are inherently more likely to be leftist never seethes to dull my mind. On the one hand, you've got some leftist authors saying yes, that a good author needs to have empathy for others, a trait which is typically associated with the left. And then we have the conservatives who argue that conservative-minded people are more likely to be tilling the fields than penning novels.

Maybe there is some truth to both arguments backing this up. But ultimately, this argument bores me because while both sides like to say with their words "arts are inherently leftist," both sides will simultaneously behave through their actions as if that is untrue. You'll have leftists trying to cancel JK Rowling and every author born more than 30 years ago and calling them fascists - and you'll have ten million right-wing think tank pieces plotting how conservatives are going to "take over the arts."

Obviously, I exaggerate. There are plenty of leftists who appreciate authors from different eras, leftists who can relate to their themes and works. But you can't deny the existence of these very vocal leftists who seem to believe all art not made within the past few years to be fascist. We have to define what exactly makes art left or right before we can determine which wing artists ride naturally.

And for you conservatives who believe that artists might be at least 20% inherently leftist, I am curious. Do you believe any percentage is inherently right-wing? Maybe just 5%? Now, if the answer is no, or if the answer is you think the number of artists regardless of circumstances who are inherently right-wing is LOWER than the percentage allocated to the left, then why do you believe it is possible for you to "take over" the art world? Yes, you say 80% of the wokeness may be attributed to peer pressure, but if the remaining 20% is simply due to your tribe not being as inclined to the arts, then any backlash to woke will be temporary before mathematics and nature reaserts itself. "Wokeness is out of control, a backlash is coming!" Okay, but as long as nature is what it is, the backlash will end & arts will go back to being leftist as soon as the current atmosphere that gives rise to the backlash is abated.

P.S. Check out this piece at the right-wing American Mind:


See this is what I mean. Right-wing elites are deeply envious of the fact that most artists are leftists. Check out all the responses linked below the article where every dissident artist on Claremont gives their two cents on how to "fix" the problem. Yet if any of these people truly believe their side is simply more spiritually suited to be field workers than artists, then this makes their whole project Utopian. The only way these essays make sense would be in assuming there is no inherent bias towards one tribe or the other and that the politics of an artist vary on a purely case by case basis.
 
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As much as I love art, the only time anyone rich cares about it is when they can make money off it or launder money through it.
 
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