Where's all the right-leaning creatives?

[mrpatapon]

Ok here's the things about tHe so called "Right Wing" or "Alt Right".

Most people who get lumped in with the alt right are actually moderate lefts and rights who can't keep up with the progressive band wagon or have been banished from the left for some crime they have been accused of.

Glen Greenwald and Matt Taibbi for example are considered alt right solely because they dared to question and scrutinize media narratives such as Russiagate. Other than that, they have no real right wing beliefs or philosophy unless we include freedom of speech as a right wing concept now.

The only truly right wing media I know of is Curtis Yarvin (Mencius Moldbug) and some obscure youtube channel that barely get any views like Morgoth's Review.

That's the thing about being part of a real marginalized voice is that your media choices are very limited if you include only your voice, you have to practice Ketman and pretend to believe in mainstream thought, and you have to get used to people barely knowing you exist while they go hunt down their scapegoats and witches.

 

[Juan's Sombrero]

Yup. Case in point... (points out self).

If anyone in my publisher found out I vote straight ticket Republican, or hell, that my taste in spec fiction is pretty much mostly the stuff they want burned or buried, they would crucify me in front of the office.

A lot of us have to keep our heads down... which for folks like you, means you should support the people who can and do speak out twice as much.



Admittedly, I'm a member of the tribe, but I hate that old chestnut.

Issue here isn't the Jews, its the fact pop culture is controlled entirely by shmucks from New York and Los Angeles, and lefties who worship at thier feet. Yeah, Jews do pop up... because a ton of Jews live in NYC and LA, and thus, live and think like they do.

Trust me, the rest of us don't like those idiots anymore than anyone else... we have a dozen different phrases in Yiddish and Hebrew for "self-hating Jew" for a reason.

Plus, the loony lefties have taken a decidedly anti-Jewish turn as of late... just look at what the wokies in spec fiction did to Toni Weisskopf earlier tbis year.

Oh, you mean the "free-palestine" crowd.

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

If you want the pinnacle of conservative entertainment I'd argue its Red Dawn. Now, I love Red Dawn. But it's an absolutely retarded movie with as much moral and intellectual significance as huffing spray paint in a Denny's parking lot. It's about the most simplistic, paranoid, basis for a film ever.

This shows me you are entirely fucking retarded and should not be talking about creativity at all.

The fact that it rubbed the child soldiers mantra in your face, with shades of the then Soviet-Afghanistan conflict in your face till it should have sandpapered its way into your brain and you STILL missed all of, including that, in the end, nobody remembered those child soldiers and what they did except for a plaque on a rock, shows you're fucking dumb as shit.

If red dawn is a paranoid, xenophobic, vision of a jingoistic nightmare

Again, showing why you're just dumb as fuck.

let me guess, you're Canadian.

Ah, American hating Canuckistani dipshit. Got it.

Yeah, you should probably take your gleeful "GR8T PART WHERE DEY TAKE GUN FROM DEAD GUY HAND!" and shove it in your ass if you can't miss the obvious message and point of a movie that was so fucking blatant it damn near came off as satire.

 

[Allanon]

I'm sure it's been said but I'm not reading through 10 pages of doomposting and autism. There's plenty of right wing creators if you're talking about "people who make things and are personally politically aligned with the right" they just have no benefit to revealing their political views, and so they generally don't. You can probably assume anyone who doesn't make a point to loudly declare their views either verbally or in their works is probably a moderate of some form. Even if they are left-leaning, compared to the type that lets it consume their life and thinks all things need to be political, their moderate behavior is going to make them feel more right wing. Of course there's such creators who become verbal about their right-wing views, and those are generally the types who get something successful and then get super-cancelled when people find out they're right-wing, like the Zone of Enders (or whatever it was called) guy. If you're talking about "people who make things that are politically charged and right-wing" there's also plenty of those, they're just on alt-media generally, because they get thrown off of regular platforms.

 

[Fish Fudge]

Like above, it's probably been said repeatedly, but there are a ton of right-leaning creatives - it just doesn't serve them much benefit to talk about it, or draw attention to it in their work.

Kate Bush came out a couple years back and said she was a fan of both Margaret Thatcher and Theresa May - left wing media went into a panic trying to undo that narrative. Eric Clapton is obviously another right-wing musician, openly anti-immigaration and pro-conservative. There's likely a ton more - but the unifying factor with those two is that they're both at the fag-end of their careers and have Fuck You money.

I imagine a ton of creatives have right-leaning opinions, they just don't talk about them. Why would you?

 

[Boston Brand]

What do you think of David Hackett Fischer's assertion that Jews in America are almost fully assimilated to the regional cultures they moved into?

Makes some generalizations, but otherwise accurate.

The Jewish community has always had a knack of knowing just when to bend on local customs, and where to hold firm on our own.

As a result, yeah, you have lefty Jews who think and act like every other loony tune LA or NYC resident... but you also have Jews from the Midwest or even the deep South, who have far more in common with the locals than they do Jews in NYC or LA, and have far more contempt for them than nearly any other group in the US - again, Hebrew and Yiddish have a dozen different turns of phrase for self-hating Jew.

Case in point, one of my cousins married into a Jewish family from the South... how Southern? They can literally trace their family tree to the folks who built one of the first synagogues in America, right in Charleston, South Carolina, and are proud Southern good old boys who pride themselves on several family members who fought for the Confederacy. They just stick to barbecuing chicken and beef instead of pork. They're also rabidly right wing.

Long story short? Your average American Jew has as much in common with some of our lefty cousins in NYC or LA as your average Italian American does with Andrew Cuomo, or your average plastic Paddy does with Ted Kennedy.

 

[Manly_Brony]

Yes, tabletop RPGs suffer from this as well. I've read about all the butthurt over V5 and the Orcs in D&D but I believe Call of Cthulhu to be the best example for what the OP wrote. There is a cabal of veteran game designers out there, who want to cancel Lovecraft. These good people aren't even discreet about it, they despise the man who put them on the map and made them wealthy. Lovecraft-bashing has even seeped into normie entertainment. James Wan chose one of his more famous quotes and gave it to the Black villain of Aquaman on purpose then bragged about it in an interview with Slate. Some zealous SJW even tried to cancel the game's creator. For those who don't know: Sandy Petersen is a religious Mormon who worked on the vidya Doom and defended the game when he was called out for it by his church. The reason for the hit on him? For not being overjoyed with trans sportswomen because he has granddaughters who compete in sports. All this lead to self-appointed RPG gateway drug Matt Mercer cutting ties with him immediately. Every new CoC supplement starts with a lengthy trigger warning now and mediocre titles like Harlem and Berlin are unanimously praised for being crucial for diversity. "Wowsie, you can suddenly play as People of Color and trannies now! But don't you dare say the N-word!" It's tiresome.

 

[skjora]

If you're talking about "people who make things that are politically charged and right-wing" there's also plenty of those, they're just on alt-media generally, because they get thrown off of regular platforms.

I don't really agree with that, depending on how you define "politically charged". If you mean overt references to [Current Year] politics then I'd mostly agree. But there's a fair amount of fiction and whatnot with strong themes of duty to family, love of country, virtue of personal strength, national romanticism etc.

 

[Retink]

There's a pretty simple reason why you see so many left wing artists as opposed to right wing artists, that being creativity is hard and most people suck at it, however, the left tends to be more alright with appropriating and rehashing existing art as opposed to trying to create new art. Think about all of the media that's coming out now, it's all reboots, sequels, and the like which is just great for people who look at a piece of art and believe they should have the final say on what's done with it.

This is a generalization, but as a whole the right would rather create a new hero for their stories to embody their ideals and this usually fails because it's not exactly easy to do, while the left just wants to make Superman gay, Luke a tranny, and so on. This also fails over time, but it gets way more funding early on because it's packaged in Star Wars hype or whatever other bullshit super fans love and throw money at.

 

[Shpongoolio Trismegistus]

Define right leaning.

 

[Allanon]

I don't really agree with that, depending on how you define "politically charged". If you mean overt references to [Current Year] politics then I'd mostly agree. But there's a fair amount of fiction and whatnot with strong themes of duty to family, love of country, virtue of personal strength, national romanticism etc.

Nothing that generic would be considered 'right leaning' or 'politically charged' by normal, average people. A focus on independence from one's family and setting out on their own, love of their fellow man, emotional strength, prioritizing people over money or etc different "left wing" views that are completely milquetoast like the ones you mentioned are to "right wing" wouldn't be considered that either. Generally if people are identifying something as political, left or right, it's [Current Year] politics. It's so much that, that blatantly political messaging in old tv shows like classic Trek and Doctor Who get a pass from most people complaining about the subject, even though they were highly political at the time they came out.

 

[skjora]

Nothing that generic would be considered 'right leaning' or 'politically charged' by normal, average people. A focus on independence from one's family and setting out on their own, love of their fellow man, emotional strength, prioritizing people over money or etc different "left wing" views that are completely milquetoast like the ones you mentioned are to "right wing" wouldn't be considered that either. Generally if people are identifying something as political, left or right, it's [Current Year] politics. It's so much that, that blatantly political messaging in old tv shows like classic Trek and Doctor Who get a pass from most people complaining about the subject, even though they were highly political at the time they came out.

Guess I'm simply not normal in that regard then. I see a political charge in much of the media I consume (which I don't necessarily mind), and I find classic Star Trek episodes to be particularly heavy-handed about it's ideals much of the time. The biggest mindscrew I've had in regards to what other people find political or not was in another community I'm part of, where "politics" are supposedly a prohibited topic - but an admin declared that "basic human rights" aren't politics in defense of janny trannies doing their usual schtick and other users bringing the rule up. Myself I can't think of many things that are *less* political than the concept of "basic human rights".

 

[DaBigBopper]

Left wing creatives make cartels to support them by duping more successful writers into donating to organizations that make up that cartel. The Science Fiction Writers Association, Comic Book Legal Defense Fund, and Global Guild of Fantasy Writers basically exist as parasites. They'll help advertise and even throw up lawsuits for you sometimes, but largely they act as PR companies that will fuck with you if you don't pay in. I'm not saying Right Wing creators don't do the same thing, but they usually do petty vendettas that are highly personal.

Basically they gatekeep and will trash your reputation if you step out of line. Rumors will stir and nowadays you'll get 'canceled'. Mediocrity fears success, how much money is spent by schools buying flavor of the month bullshit? Millions. The public school system is a giant fucking money pit for a lot of reasons, but also because of special interest groups demanding inclusive literature. Detroit Public Schools used to dump thousands of copies of books in blighted houses, pretty fucking sure LA county schools do the same.

 

[milk]

They listened to their parents and got a degree in accounting instead.

 

[Blue Screen of Death]

I'll put my idea out there as short as possible.
People on the left focus on the collective, people on the right focus on the individual.

You notice the collective more because they're louder and more blatantly obvious. The individual (usually) likes to keep to themselves, so the political leaning doesn't shine through as much I'd say.

 

[snailslime]

many artists make art based upon putting themselves in other people's shoes and their heightened sense of empathy leads to liberalism.

 

[Allanon]

Left wing creatives make cartels to support them by duping more successful writers into donating to organizations that make up that cartel. The Science Fiction Writers Association, Comic Book Legal Defense Fund, and Global Guild of Fantasy Writers basically exist as parasites. They'll help advertise and even throw up lawsuits for you sometimes, but largely they act as PR companies that will fuck with you if you don't pay in. I'm not saying Right Wing creators don't do the same thing, but they usually do petty vendettas that are highly personal.

Basically they gatekeep and will trash your reputation if you step out of line. Rumors will stir and nowadays you'll get 'canceled'. Mediocrity fears success, how much money is spent by schools buying flavor of the month bullshit? Millions. The public school system is a giant fucking money pit for a lot of reasons, but also because of special interest groups demanding inclusive literature. Detroit Public Schools used to dump thousands of copies of books in blighted houses, pretty fucking sure LA county schools do the same.

Comicsgate is this for the right wing, or at least it wants to be. It's just not nearly as successful at it because it doesn't have as much money and gets tripped up over egos instead of rigidly adhering to political messaging over all else, because it's presumably not being run by old-rich blood like the more well established groups are. I don't think the right organizing and doing that kind of thing is particularly any better than the left, though. Either way you end up with good creators pushed out of the way for mediocre ones willing to harp on whatever messaging their bosses want said while everyone involved insists they have total freedom and inclusivity.

 

[DaBigBopper]

Comicsgate is this for the right wing, or at least it wants to be. It's just not nearly as successful at it because it doesn't have as much money and gets tripped up over egos instead of rigidly adhering to political messaging over all else, because it's presumably not being run by old-rich blood like the more well established groups are. I don't think the right organizing and doing that kind of thing is particularly any better than the left, though. Either way you end up with good creators pushed out of the way for mediocre ones willing to harp on whatever messaging their bosses want said while everyone involved insists they have total freedom and inclusivity.

From what I got from Comicsgate, it doesn't matter where you go: DC, Marvel, Image, or DarkHorse. There's a bureaucracy and friends of certain people that will kill your dreams. Comicsgate really didn't address any actual service to beat this, comics in the US have terrible distribution. They're doing direct to market, but it's really fucking retarded from what I'm aware.

I'm of the opinion that certain political trends exist solely to kill rising movements. Large/ established companies can usually whether expensive fines or regulations, if you ever see a large company cheering on environmental regulation it's usually to kill another company. They can afford fines, newcomers can't.

 

[SneedEyeMitch]

many artists make art based upon putting themselves in other people's shoes and their heightened sense of empathy leads to liberalism.

hmmm X

 

[Retink]

many artists make art based upon putting themselves in other people's shoes and their heightened sense of empathy leads to liberalism.

I would argue it's quite the opposite that has lead to liberalism being so prominent in creative and other fields, as the left wing tends to be very tribal and dogmatic in how it behaves, while at the same time claiming to be empathetic and responding with aggression to anyone who claims the opposite. The conservative right wing tends to be more individualistic and live and let live by contrast.

A few examples are people like Adam Carolla who said if you want to know who is right wing in Hollywood look at who isn't saying anything political, as most are afraid to speak and the others are simply indifferent. What about Patton Oswalt, a member of the liberal left tribe, but was quickly forced to apologize for daring to even take a picture with Chappelle who has been excommunicated. Then there's JK Rowling who was the darling of the left, now public enemy number one to them for her one transgression. The list goes on and on really.

The liberal left does not view others as being capable of being good and only itself as the one true ideology, like Islam you either conform of must be persecuted, while on the conservative right you will be called a nigger faggot but otherwise mostly left to your own devices. That in mind, the conservative right isn't without flaw, the Buckley ideology has been far too prevalent which has lead to a swarm of retards constantly lambasting what has become of Star Wars and the like, thus giving those franchise more life as opposed to just allowing them to do and conserving only the parts that were fine historically.