💬 Off-Topic When/how will transgenderism end?

[NoCockatrice]

It should be illegal to perform surgeries that you know are harming people.

This statement is vague as hell and cannot be an actual law. Pretty much all of the cosmetic surgeries can fall under that category.

 

[Shakira Flabbergasted]

The trend has to die, but I don’t think it will happen by banning it, when has that made anything seem less cool and edgy? Detransitioner stories, malpractice lawsuits and botched surgeries, post transition suicides, when the actual downsides are brought to light and can’t be blamed on public acceptance, then it won’t be cool and the next man made horror will show it’s head.

Tbh I don't really care about making HRT and surgeries illegal for adults over the age of, say, 25. If you wanna be stupid and destroy your body in the pursuit of your fetish, that's on you, but leave other people — especially kids — out of it.

In that vein, I want it to be illegal for them to adopt children, use single-sex public restrooms, or participate in single-sex sports leagues unless they correspond to their biological sex. I want child transition to be illegal and considered child abuse, including social transition. I want surrogacy to be illegal as well — not specifically for trans identified people, but for everyone (but it still has the effect of making it more difficult for them to obtain children to abuse).

I think all of that is doable and common sense. Making transition broadly illegal probably isn't realistic, but it's possible that it'll eventually become hard to find doctors who are willing to prescribe HRT or perform surgeries due to fear of civil liability.

Edit: Also workers should be able to sue their employers and win if they're fired for "misgendering," "deadnaming," or otherwise refusing to play along with the delusions of trannies. Gender critical views should be protected by law, and discriminating against people who hold these views should be considered a violation of their rights.

Idk when all of this will happen, but I think it's fairly realistic to hope for most of it within the next 20 years.

 

[SouthernBitchBob]

It'll likely at least calm down to its previously manageable level once we as a society put the definition of "transgender" back into its old box. The explosion in numbers and creepiness happened when crossdressers, AGPs, AAPs, and anyone else who does it for sexual thrills twisted it into its current "the fetish I dove into at 40 is Who I Always Was" fantasy-turned-speedrun competition. The moment it grew beyond a vanishingly rare bizarre mental disorder we have no idea how to treat, that's when it became a social contagion, they started trying it on kids (beyond rare horror shows like John Money), they started convincing people to try the catboy juice on Discord.

Your remaining subset of "trans people" need to loosely agree that this is a rare disorder with challenges we're not equipped to deal with. Not a coming out of the closet expression of true identity for panty sniffers, or a regular goth phase for teenage girls, or a backpressure valve to get rid/ruin the lives of gullible gay people.

 

[Stabby_Pencil]

I'm wondering how we go back to laughing at them being the norm, like pre-2016 when SJW cringe compilations were everywhere.

Probably when a lot of people realize they aren't actually suicidal but instead suicide-baiting for people to get what they want, and that the meltdowns are from narcissistic injuries rather than any genuine hurt.

Not a coming out of the closet

It's more like a coming out of the basement or coming out of hell.

 

[#FF0000]

Like this

 

[Molag Bal]

This is a future more horrific than the continuance of tranny ideology IRL. If people can modify themselves to look like animals but have primarily-human genetics, then there'll be furry supremacists who will try to outbreed the human race and replace it. At least trannies are sterile, or in this magic future scenario they can actually become biologically female.

I could swear this sounds very familiar. Like there was a furry game long ago that had this exact lore. Humans genetically modifying themselves into furries, then devolving and turning retarded and by the time the 'present' rolls around, the og humans are extinct, the furries' descendants are stuck in the early renaissance with no idea what happened, and there's futuristic human-built ruins all over the place.

Tbh I don't really care about making HRT and surgeries illegal for adults over the age of, say, 25. If you wanna be stupid and destroy your body in the pursuit of your fetish, that's on you, but leave other people — especially kids — out of it.

The problem is that when you give people the freedom to dive all the way into acting out their fetishes to this degree, they will construct their entire lives around it (hence why the LGBT mafia calls it a 'lifestyle') and then seek out children and adolescents to groom into adopting their practises. It is exactly what we see today. In the future, that shit needs to be nipped in the bud. Any and all fetish-motivated surgeries or other social practises need to be banned, the new hippocratic oath (there will have to be some grand event introducing a new one since nobody takes the old one seriously) will have to involve a clause expressly forbidding any and all fetish-related medical treatments.

Edit: Also workers should be able to sue their employers and win if they're fired for "misgendering," "deadnaming," or otherwise refusing to play along with the delusions of trannies. Gender critical views should be protected by law, and discriminating against people who hold these views should be considered a violation of their rights.

It needs to be established in people ignorant about it, that it is a sex fetish and when you play along with an AGP's pronouns, you are roleplaying his fetish, you are engaging in active erotic roleplay in the workplace. By doing that, you are saying things that he finds arousing and and he probably will masturbate to it.

If the 'communities' of any other fetish demanded the same thing as trannies do, anyone okay with tranny shit would immediately see how disgusting and retarded it is. People wouldn't just agree to engage in casual scat roleplay in the workplace, or feet roleplay, or diaper/abdl roleplay. No NGO is going to file lawsuits where they say "You refused to talk dirty to this employee about how he is a widdle boy and needs to shid his diapies like he asked you to" and demand 7 digit payouts. No HR worker is going to go "Listen here, young lady, as a 'person of vore', it is this man's human right as part of a protected class, to have lengthy conversations with you on how you're going to shrink his body and swallow him. If you cannot fulfil this demand, you will have to look for work elsewhere. Also if you do find a new employer, we will contact them and inform them that you are a humanitarian scoring risk to their company."

 

[Basili]

Fetishists will always exist. Without a glimmer of irony I think that they should be thrown into camps. Also I'm glad incels fall into BP these days instead of cutting their dicks off

 

[Targeted Individual]

A brave knight will fart on the balls of The First Tranny and the curse will be broken, every tranny will become normal again, their cocks will grow back and their urges to rape children will disappear.

 

[NoCockatrice]

I want it to be illegal for them to adopt children

If you look at CSA statistics it mostly happens among blood related relatives (think about weird uncles and brothers). Predators don't really adopt kids: you have to pay for it and there are a lot of check ups and documents with one's name on it. Besides, an adopted child will grow up eventually. That's not what predators want. They want an infinite amount of young kids. So they usually go to work at schools/camps/hospitals. They like places that allow them to flee if things go bad. They don't want to be with one child for long. Even when it comes to predation among relatives it is mostly done by family members who aren't usual house residents - uncles, cousins, etc. Pedophilia is a hit and run thing, they don't survive in one place for long.

So even if you prevent transsexuals from adopting, you will not destroy pedophilia (which isn't specifically a tranny thing, mind you). What you will do is prevent good minded family oriented people with traditional values who want to achieve genuine family happiness.

 

[Shakira Flabbergasted]

So even if you prevent transsexuals from adopting, you will not destroy pedophilia (which isn't specifically a tranny thing, mind you).

Not all child abuse is sexual. Being raised by a trans-identified parent or guardian is psychological child abuse even if you luck out and it's not a pedo.

What you will do is prevent good minded family oriented people with traditional values who want to achieve genuine family happiness.

None of those people identify as trans, so it wouldn't prevent any of that.

 

[NoCockatrice]

Being raised by a tranny is psychological child abuse

Even if you paint it that way, psychological abuse and sexual abuse are different things.

I don't see how raising your child if you happen to be a genuine transsexual is psychological abuse. And actually, how do you define and measure "psychological abuse" in this instance specifically and in general?

Good thing none of those people identify as trans.

I don't know what do you mean exactly as "identify as trans". Do you mean being a part of the modern movement or just admitting and realising you have transsexualism? I know a fair share of traditionally oriented true and honest to god trannies. They do exist.

Buck Angel (a conservative trans man) has a family. And when one of his children wanted to troon out he said "No, it's not a condition that you have, it's a phase". And guess what? His child didn't troon out. A trans man did a better job raising his child than some straight bitches.

 

[Shakira Flabbergasted]

And actually, how do you define and measure "psychological abuse" in this instance specifically and in general?

Pretending to be your children's father when you're their mother, or vice versa, is abusive.

Edit: Inb4 "how is it abusive" — we've been over this in other threads, Beatrice. I'm not going through it with you again.

Any normal person can recognize how messed up a situation like that is, which is why it's pretty realistic that the government could do something to stop people like this from acquiring children to involve in their fantasy of being the opposite sex.

I don't know what do you mean exactly as "identify as trans".

I meant exactly what I said. You just don't like it because it doesn't give you a magic pass for being a heckin valid true transsexual.

Buck Angel (a conservative trans man) has a family. And when one of his children wanted to troon out he said "No, it's not a condition that you have, it's a phase". And guess what? His child didn't troon out. A trans man did a better job raising his child than some straight bitches.

A sensible standard for who should be able to adopt children isn't "whoever won't troon them out or rape them." I already said I want transitioning minors to be illegal.

And btw, calling other women "bitches" doesn't make you any less of one yourself.

 

[NoCockatrice]

I meant exactly what I said. You just don't like it because it doesn't give you a magic pass for being a heckin valid true transsexual.

No, I asked you because people can mean different things by it. I explained it in my post.

A sensible standard for who should be able to adopt children isn't "whoever won't troon them out or rape them."

It's this + being financially stable. Do you really think people of the past had "standards" when it came to baby making? No, they just had 10+ kids each and we didn't have a demographical crisis.

And btw, calling other women "bitches"

I called them bitches, because I implied the kind of women who let their children being raised by the internet or straight up forcefully troon them out (I'm sorry, but these people are usually women). Yes, I think that makes one a bitch.

 

[Molag Bal]

Even if you paint it that way, psychological abuse and sexual abuse are different things.

Let's not sugarcoat it, the abuse is almost guaranteed to be sexual in nature.

https://x.com/Slatzism/status/1934010412238057980

https://x.com/GeneralMCNews/status/1949830721234763980

The above are just two of the less prominent cases of people getting caught.
It is severely underreported. Realistically, whenever you see a gay couple go out of their way to get their hands of a child, be it via adoption or surrogacy, there's a 95% chance they are fucking it. And if the child survives into adulthood, they will grow up to be gay and do the same to the next generation.

 

[Shakira Flabbergasted]

Do you really think people of the past had "standards" when it came to baby making? No, they just had 10+ kids each and we didn't have a demographical crisis.

This has nothing to do with the issue at hand. Nobody is stopping you from having kids the way "people of the past" did. If that's what you want, find a random dude, shack up with him, and pop out babies like a T-shirt cannon until you can't anymore.

Letting degenerates adopt or not has nothing to do with the birth rate. "Muh demographics" is just more of the same trad cope that some people like to slap on top of their degeneracy so they can act like they're better than other degenerates.

I called them bitches, because [cope]

No, you called them bitches instead of another insult because you're an NLOG and that's what NLOGs do.

 

[NoCockatrice]

the abuse is almost guaranteed to be sexual in nature.

My point was, that growing up with a dickless dad isn't nearly as bad nor the same as being raped. Even if we consider both things abuse (which I don't agree with).

https://x.com/Slatzism/status/1934010412238057980

First post.



I talked about it. Before adopting a child both of these guys had worked with multiple kids. A little bit of a red flag in my opinion.

Second post.



As far as I understand, the guy was a sex offender long before adoption occurred. So it's the adoption agency being retarded and not checking who they give kids to.

there's a 95% chance they are fucking it

1) Most podophiles are men. Double the men - double the chance of a pedo.
2) Most pedogays aren't actual homosexuals and simply got into men when they themselves were abused (you raised that point and I agree with it). So when the LGBT hype dies down, I think sizable amount of pedos will stop identifying as gays, for it won't be profitable anymore.
3) I wasn't even talking about gays, I was talking about transsexuals.

 

[█████████]

@NoCockatrice Can you please stop shitting up every anti-tranny thread with "there's some good true trannies actually"?

I'm a lesbian and if I see someone leaving a comment about why all gays are terrible, I don't shit the thread up with several replies on why "gays are good actually and you should change your mind". I just ignore them and don't reply.

 

[Rainbow Child]

Answer:
When: 2084
How: the very last troon will die, closeted, trying as best s/he can to approximate a normal life, not spreading this mind virus by talking about it at all, all his/her conspirators having already passed away, retransitioned, or been institutionalised in a forensic hospital ward specially designed just for them to see only each other and how ridiculous they all are.

Answer:
When: never
How: the technologies derived from the organs and tissues harvested from aborted babies have developed sufficiently so that now these babies are just bred in test tubes specifically to be donors for a technocratic minority's whims and caprices. It's not just sex changes. It's hearts, lungs, eyes, ears... Meat-costumes are put on and taken off with the ease that you put on and take off your poly-cotton blend socks. The poor, brown, majority are a slave caste. They are spayed or neutered to maintain a tame, sustainable, population. They do the disgusting, menial tasks, that are too much of a waste of energy to get the robots to do.

Answer:
When: 15 June, 1989
How: Everyone looked around at the madness that troonery had become. A secret pact was agreed upon, it would be put away, we would pretend it never happened, and if any evidence showed itself to future generations, we would tell them that it was just "glam" or "goth" so that we wouldn't put those ideas in their head. Unfortunately, the millennials discovered the alt.binaries and reproduced them, first on IRC and then on tumblr.

 

[Shakira Flabbergasted]

@NoCockatrice Can you please stop shitting up every anti-tranny thread with "there's some good true trannies actually"?

I'm a lesbian and if I see someone leaving a comment about why all gays are terrible, I don't shit the thread up with several replies on why "gays are good actually and you should change your mind". I just ignore them and don't reply.

The problem is that trying to rehabilitate the image of True & Honest Transsexuals™ seems to be a large reason she's on the site. I have some responsibility here, too, for getting baited into replying to her nonsense instead of just ignoring her when she does it.

As a side note, I appreciate gay and lesbian Kiwis because at least none of you pretend that gay people who do bad things are fake gays.

 

[Outer Space Traveller]

it wont ever completely end sadly there will always be deranged people out there but i predict it'll become pretty rare in 20-30 years to see a troon out in the wild with alot detransitioning or committing suicide and a lot keeping it underground outta public view

another thing is its dying with a whimper not a bang

That's what I see.

To expand on your answer - Sodomy/homosexuality (both male and female) is a death cult, and yet it persists because some people delude themselves into saying "they won't hurt others and keep it to themselves", especially homosexual women. Generational trauma, attempting to heal, I know that can cause it and so on; and especially some being victims of grooming.
Yet it still persists. It isn't the way to go.
Same with transexualism. Be it the Homosexual Transexual or the Autogynophile/Autoandrophile. This will probably be an illness that will stick around until society suffers a reset.