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Figured I'd mention this here, Al Jean on someone talking about how stark raving dad should come back to streaming due to the popularity and box office scores of the Michael Jackson biopic
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If you're so ashamed of it, why didn't you have a problem including it on all of the VHS/DVD releases before streaming, even after the allegations came out? Fucking disingenuous faggot.
 
If you're so ashamed of it, why didn't you have a problem including it on all of the VHS/DVD releases before streaming, even after the allegations came out? Fucking disingenuous faggot.
Probably because he's following james l. brooks orders when leaving neverland came out, the jew wants mj episode gone and the irish catholic (al jean) followed orders.
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Probably has been talked about, but I loved Adventure Time.

The romantic episodes are the least entertaining, but the ones where it involves ADVENTURE (like in the name, wink) and magic, mixed with the weird humor and chill vibes is absolutely beautiful and inspiring.

They don't make other stuff like that, do they?
Have you tried Bravest Warriors? It was created by the same guy.
 
A lot of AT was Finn's growth as he matured with time, Flame Princess ended up being a lesson in maturity for him. I actually like how they went back to it in later seasons. Finn apologizes to her in Season 5, but he is still clearly oblivious to the full damage and seems to just be trying to get back together. He returns in later seasons and is then able to further reflect on what went wrong and amend properly.
They badly mishandled Finn's breakup with FP though. Finn did act like a tool, but he had a lot working against him. As the last human he was going through puberty pretty much without guidance. Biological parents MIA, adoptive parents dead, and the closest thing he had to an authority figure was Jake. Jake, despite being an idiot, was in a stable long term relationship and fancied himself a ladies man. All made even worse by the Cosmic Owl showing up in one of his dreams (for those in the back, the Cosmic Owl is a portent of prophetic dreams in Adventure Time, and is objectively real in that universe). Finn got bad advice from the best source available, and it backfired massively. Was Finn in the right? Hell no. But I always felt like a permanent breakup with FP was a wildly disproportionate consequence for what he actually did.

TLDR: Everything is Jake's fault, as usual.

Adventure Time double post after catching up with the topic. Fite me.
 
Do not remember this being posted.
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So when are we going to stop pretending that we’re living in times before the Civil Rights movement?
>Fly
Because that's what you think when you think about Black people - dirty vermin that hangs around trash and tries to suck your blood.
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It practically writes itself...
You can just call it obnoxiously unsubtle without denying racism in America still exists.
No it fucking doesn't. If you wanna see racism, go to a balkan country - they don't pussyfoot about.
 
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3. Most of these 'failed relationship' arcs just lead up to the real endgame (exception being Mordecai I think but they gave Rigby a good relationship to balance it out). Finn gets Huntress Wizard, Ben 10 gets some indian chick, Dipper is implied to have moved on to Pacifica (and him not getting an endgame is fine since he's literally 12), Danny Phantom moved on from Valerie (and his popular girl crush) to Sam, in Avatar Katara first has something going on with that Jet dude before being endgame with Aang, Beast Boy/Terra/Raven love triangle, etc etc etc.
Yea, and to be fair, that's sorta how it goes irl a lot of times too.

I can think of several people off the top of my head from my adolescence that were notably in on again off again relationships where people just always saw them as "a couple" but even though they inevitably broke up, people for a while just remember them being together as if they would stay that way even though there was no reason to think a couple 16 y/o's would spend the rest of their lives together just because they'd been dating for 2 years.
 
They badly mishandled Finn's breakup with FP though. Finn did act like a tool, but he had a lot working against him. As the last human he was going through puberty pretty much without guidance. Biological parents MIA, adoptive parents dead, and the closest thing he had to an authority figure was Jake. Jake, despite being an idiot, was in a stable long term relationship and fancied himself a ladies man. All made even worse by the Cosmic Owl showing up in one of his dreams (for those in the back, the Cosmic Owl is a portent of prophetic dreams in Adventure Time, and is objectively real in that universe). Finn got bad advice from the best source available, and it backfired massively. Was Finn in the right? Hell no. But I always felt like a permanent breakup with FP was a wildly disproportionate consequence for what he actually did.

TLDR: Everything is Jake's fault, as usual.

Adventure Time double post after catching up with the topic. Fite me.
I always wondered why could pb and gothpire get back together but not fp and fin
 
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Yeah what the hell was up with that? People in the comments and retweets are saying “well it’s to show kids that things don’t always work out, especially in relationships”. I dunno about that, maybe I’m just too used to cartoons being used as the creator’s therapy session. Like how a bunch of them had prom episodes to live out the prom they’d “wanted”.
Honestly I think having relationships like that within cartoons isn’t bad because that is simply how life is but I feel like you can kinda tell the difference of someone trying to teach kids a lesson about growing up and someone who’s using their main protags as some art therapy
 
They badly mishandled Finn's breakup with FP though. Finn did act like a tool, but he had a lot working against him. As the last human he was going through puberty pretty much without guidance. Biological parents MIA, adoptive parents dead, and the closest thing he had to an authority figure was Jake. Jake, despite being an idiot, was in a stable long term relationship and fancied himself a ladies man. All made even worse by the Cosmic Owl showing up in one of his dreams (for those in the back, the Cosmic Owl is a portent of prophetic dreams in Adventure Time, and is objectively real in that universe). Finn got bad advice from the best source available, and it backfired massively. Was Finn in the right? Hell no. But I always felt like a permanent breakup with FP was a wildly disproportionate consequence for what he actually did.
Fair, I think later seasons do a decent job cleaning it up, but the initial breakup was poorly handled. The sad part is, they already showed signs of disfunction that would likely end up clashing between FP’s burn everything mentality and Finn’s more adventurous, have fun mentality. Then there is the obvious issues with her physically burning Finn and the decent chance of her being evil. Plus, the initial meetup was in the worst circumstances - Finn was crushed by PB and was definitely using FP as a substitute, meanwhile FP was barely a character from being stuck in a lantern. Both had major insecurities and deficiencies going in. The aftermath then somewhat plays around with FP maturing a bit faster than Finn, furthering the disconnect between them.

I was definitely disappointed in how the Finn/FP relationship went when watching back in the day, but experiencing the full series, I think they came out all right. FP, whether initially planned or not, turned into a good stepping stone for Finn and I think Huntress Wizard ultimately ended up being his best match.


But I always felt like a permanent breakup with FP was a wildly disproportionate consequence for what he actually did.
I think it was needed and not really unfair as both parties end up on good terms. Even if Finn was mislead, it would be extremely hard to come back from that. It played deeply into FP’s insecurity as well, which is a flaw on her character that would force the relationship’s end.
FP went on her own character journey leading to her ruling the Flame Kingdom. She wasn’t in a place for Finn anymore unlike before. They both changed from this event. I like that she held no ill will towards him both after, and especially during their reconciliation later in the series - hell she even kisses him in F&C. Shitty initial conflict, maybe, but I think the writers pulled off working around that to correctly build both characters.

Finn messed up, even if he wasn’t fully aware. This mistake along with the miscommunication had large consequences that he couldn’t just hero his way out of. It sucks, but ended up being a big character shift moment for both parties.

There’s magic that allows him to
He can touch her, but if she gets too emotional or intimate she explodes.

She was always designed to have their relationship be a ticking-time bomb (literally). It is why upon re-examining, I don’t think the breakup was randomly spurred on, but had red flags intentionally there from the beginning. This relationship, figuratively and literally, would burn Finn.
 
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