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Castoreum said:
Ice Age (2002): 9/10
Toddler sat through the whole movie and shrieked at the exciting adventure parts. She loves babies, so extra points from her. Blue Sky put all their love and heart into this movie and you can see it. They love showing off their tech. Toddler seemed to dislike the lady sloths in the "hot tub" scene (they are pretty creepy looking lmao). I forgot what the sequels are like. Again, another movie that aged well. I miss Blue Sky. ;__;
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Skip the sequels, they're shit
 
I'm really enjoying Aeon Flux (the animation) and it's really weird seeing the first couple of episodes being short without any dialogue and suddenly now there's a 23 minute episode with a full on plot point. Although I have one question. Are the foot fetish scenes necessary for the plot point or is it just Peter Chung's fetish.
 
Basement Dwelling Dork said:
I'm really enjoying Aeon Flux (the animation) and it's really weird seeing the first couple of episodes being short without any dialogue and suddenly now there's a 23 minute episode with a full on plot point. Although I have one question. Are the foot fetish scenes necessary for the plot point or is it just Peter Chung's fetish.
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ngl it took me a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG fucking time to warm up to AF the series
loved the shorts but I had a very hard time getting into full stories and plots and not just a bunch of weird bdsm people killing the shit out of each other
 
Castoreum said:
Much of the dialog is already dated and I don't think the script aged well.
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How is the dialogue dated? Because cops are shown in a positive light here? The sequel shits on both the male lead and the cops, but of course, and the message is swapped from "muh poor carnivores are mistreated for no reason!" to "muh poor reptile immigrants are mistreated by an EEEVIL OLD MONEY WHITE MAN PATRIARCH!". I liked that in Z1 the villain was a woman that weaponized victimhood to meet her ends, something you don't see today.
 
Castoreum said:
all I remember is ice age 2 had queen latifah and it sucked haha
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I had to warm up to Ice Age 2 because I think it's sweet for Manny to be able to find love again and get a chance to fully move on. Crash and Eddie are annoying, but they're the annoying little brothers a lot like my own and compared to the other sequels, they're tolerable in their debut film. The "bad juju" scene is padding, but it's fun padding, and Sid and Diego being best bros was nice. Everything else around them are hit or miss depending on one's personal tolerance.

And the third is a guilty pleasure of mine because of Buck and the dinosaurs. Manny's anxiety over becoming a father again hits different as I get older. Blue Sky's squash-and-stretch mastery comes back into play with Scrat.

And the final two can be skipped entirely.

Legit, Ice Age deserved better.
 
Newcomer 42 said:
How is the dialogue dated? Because cops are shown in a positive light here? The sequel shits on both the male lead and the cops, but of course, and the message is swapped from "muh poor carnivores are mistreated for no reason!" to "muh poor reptile immigrants are mistreated by an EEEVIL OLD MONEY WHITE MAN PATRIARCH!". I liked that in Z1 the villain was a woman that weaponized victimhood to meet her ends, something you don't see today.
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I did like in the original how well the plot came together, and how you saw both Judy AND Nick suffered from the animal racism. I went into it assuming predators were the whites, so seeing Nick be victimized by prey animals was like "oh thank god it's not just 'white people suck: the movie'." I didn't think it shit on rural communities, Judy went back home and saw Gideon got better, and it wasn't like "oh the farm is the worst thing ever," it's just that she wanted to be a cop in the city and her parents were overbearing. Plus the blueberries saved the day, so like, win for farming?
 
Newcomer 42 said:
How is the dialogue dated? Because cops are shown in a positive light here? The sequel shits on both the male lead and the cops, but of course, and the message is swapped from "muh poor carnivores are mistreated for no reason!" to "muh poor reptile immigrants are mistreated by an EEEVIL OLD MONEY WHITE MAN PATRIARCH!". I liked that in Z1 the villain was a woman that weaponized victimhood to meet her ends, something you don't see today.
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idk I just cringed a lot watching the film a decade later. "Uhmmmm wow u can't say a rabbit is cute unless ur another rabbit XD"
That sort of thing. It sucks.
 
Chromeo said:
I did like in the original how well the plot came together, and how you saw both Judy AND Nick suffered from the animal racism. I went into it assuming predators were the whites, so seeing Nick be victimized by prey animals was like "oh thank god it's not just 'white people suck: the movie'." I didn't think it shit on rural communities, Judy went back home and saw Gideon got better, and it wasn't like "oh the farm is the worst thing ever," it's just that she wanted to be a cop in the city and her parents were overbearing. Plus the blueberries saved the day, so like, win for farming?
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The allegory in the first Zootopia is undercut by the worldbuilding since the biological differences between totally different species is far different from the biological differences between different breeds of the same species like what you see with humans, and can also be easily twisted into an anti-ZOG message since the villain is a dastardly Ewe using her Eweish tricks to deceive the populous for a power grab due to her Eweish belief that her people are oppressed by the predators and that Zootopia was promised to them 3000 years ago.
Castoreum said:
idk I just cringed a lot watching the film a decade later. "Uhmmmm wow u can't say a rabbit is cute unless ur another rabbit XD"
That sort of thing. It sucks.
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The first movie is very 2016.
 
Sleazy Car Salesman said:
and can also be easily twisted into an anti-ZOG message since the villain is a dastardly Ewe using her Eweish tricks to deceive the populous for a power grab due to her Eweish belief that her people are oppressed by the predators and that Zootopia was promised to them 3000 years ago.
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erm, based????? though I guess it's kind of not-based since sheep actually are eaten by lions, so there technically is an oppression that happened once. I'd be really interested to see a Zootopia movie set in the distant past when predators agreed to not eat prey, how did that come about and how does that work? Disney would never do it, but it'd be really cool.
and I know I mention this every time Zootopia comes up, but Kevin and Kell is a daily webcomic (running since 1995) that's also set in an anthro world where the predator/prey thing is basically the main plot of the comic. The titular characters Kevin and Kell are a male rabbit and female wolf that got married even though it was a big taboo in their world. I really like how they handle the whole "some people gotta eat other people" thing while still keeping things light and funny. Despite its 30-year (and going) run, I don't think it's popular enough to get a real movie, and of course everyone would be comparing it to Zootopia and Beastars and all that other stuff. I just think it's neat.
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Sleazy Car Salesman said:
The first movie is very 2016.
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Nowadays they would scream at you instead. Or cancel/kill you.

Chromeo said:
be really interested to see a Zootopia movie set in the distant past when predators agreed to not eat prey, how did that come about and how does that work? Disney would never do it, but it'd be really cool.
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The first movie had a much darker initial script where the predators were forced to carry a slave collar that zapped them whenever they got excited, all to keep the poor prey safe. That one was scrapped, but remnants of the thing survive in the movie. The second movie is a by the numbers sequel, heh.
 
Chromeo said:
though I guess it's kind of not-based since sheep actually are eaten by lions, so there technically is an oppression that happened once.
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See but that's a social construction that's brought on by biological necessity rather than outright malice. That's specifically why the metaphor doesn't work.
 
Newcomer 42 said:
The first movie had a much darker initial script where the predators were forced to carry a slave collar that zapped them whenever they got excited, all to keep the poor prey safe. That one was scrapped, but remnants of the thing survive in the movie. The second movie is a by the numbers sequel, heh.
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Beastars is a lot better at the "Animal people, human society!" concept even if it shits itself at the end, but that's nothing for a child to read or watch.
 
Newcomer 42 said:
Nowadays they would scream at you instead. Or cancel/kill you.


The first movie had a much darker initial script where the predators were forced to carry a slave collar that zapped them whenever they got excited, all to keep the poor prey safe. That one was scrapped, but remnants of the thing survive in the movie. The second movie is a by the numbers sequel, heh.
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The original concepts give me big

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vibes.

The final movie does too with the nudist shit but the original was worse. Maybe Kiwifarms has ruined me.
 
Scientifically Inaccurate said:
The original concepts give me big

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vibes.
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well you're always gonna get that when it comes to funny animal movies. the nudist scene is about as fucked up to have in a children's movie as doing a joke like having a cow eating a burger, but you can at least say the joke works on some level and characterizes the nudists as disgusting hippies. or at least, the first guy they see.
 
Cryogonal2 said:
well you're always gonna get that when it comes to funny animal movies. the nudist scene is about as fucked up to have in a children's movie as doing a joke like having a cow eating a burger, but you can at least say the joke works on some level and characterizes the nudists as disgusting hippies. or at least, the first guy they see.
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True there. They could've not done it but couldn't resist a trip to the "Mystic Springs".
 
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