Western Animation - Discuss American, Canadian, and European cartoons here (or just bitch about wokeshit, I guess)

[Cave Fisher]

This is literally like naming an Asian superhero captain rice picker and then saying that it's actually not racist because you're celebrating Asian culture. It'd be far easier and better for them to apologize, redo that part of the episode, and move on. The industry has this process down to a science because of how often it happens and I don't get why these retards feel the need to argue when that never helps you.

This is "by odin's fade!" 2.0. Looking at any actually good black superhero and comparing them makes it pretty obvious to tell this is just another "meet niggerman the supercoon!"

 

[Getmeout]

This is "by odin's fade!" 2.0. Looking at any actually good black superhero and comparing them makes it pretty obvious to tell this is just another "meet niggerman the supercoon!"

Black kids should be growing up off of Static Shock. I heard Moon Girl was good too but I wouldn't know, the artstyle looks sick tho

 

[Chromeo]

Black kids should be growing up off of Static Shock. I heard Moon Girl was good too but I wouldn't know, the artstyle looks sick tho
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That poster looks way cooler than the actual show, it looks like this:

It's got episodes about good hair/bad hair (I like) and about...transing the gender....(I dislike) but otherwise it seems like a seviceable kids cartoon about a superhero girl with a pet dinosaur.
Static Shock, Teen Titans, Justice League, DC Superhero Girls, all those DCAU shows had cool black superheroes. I think the moral of the story is if you want good black representation in the capeshit genre; choose DC over Marvel.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

I think the moral of the story is if you want good black representation in the capeshit genre; choose DC over Marvel.

*ahem.*

 

[Trollblade69]

I think the moral of the story is if you want good black representation in the capeshit genre; choose DC over Marvel.

Geoff Johns ruined Cyborg to put him on the Justice League, told a black guy to be the new Rorschach, and then had Doctor Manhattan kidnap a Latino child to be raised by Aryans.

Also all this shit.

 

[Edgeymcedgename]

*ahem.*
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There's always some mother fucker trying to ice skate up hill

 

[Trollblade69]

There's always some mother fucker trying to ice skate up hill

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?

 

[A Grey Cat]

8iThat poster looks way cooler than the actual show, it looks like this:
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It's got episodes about good hair/bad hair (I like) and about...transing the gender....(I dislike) but otherwise it seems like a seviceable kids cartoon about a superhero girl with a pet dinosaur.
Static Shock, Teen Titans, Justice League, DC Superhero Girls, all those DCAU shows had cool black superheroes. I think the moral of the story is if you want good black representation in the capeshit genre; choose DC over Marvel.

It also had yet ANOTHER episode of a western cartoon that had to stop it's story to treat menstruation like some grand ritual that "makes wamens so much better than the boys you guys. "

according to the western animatiindustry thread it was originally storyboarded to be called "spread your wings" and would have had pads as litteral angel wings. Fffs marvel how do you go from this?

To this?

 

[assclown]

It also had yet ANOTHER episode of a western cartoon that had to stop it's story to treat menstruation like some grand ritual that "makes wamens so much better than the boys you guys. "

https://youtube.com/watch?v=rxhU_6Tzbtc

according to the western animatiindustry thread it was originally storyboarded to be called "spread your wings" and would have had pads as litteral angel wings. Fffs marvel how do you go from this?

https://youtube.com/watch?v=YGJmfLvzK0Q

To this?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=J8z1NI4mCMY

I watched emh and other marvel shows alot as a kid. Sad

 

[Getmeout]

I think the moral of the story is if you want good black representation in the capeshit genre; choose DC over Marvel.

Nick Fury's the only good instance of blackwashing I can think of. He just looks better, idek what it is exactly, it's just an upgrade.

I think it's a combination of giving him an all black wardrobe, black skin that compliments the all black wardrobe, and making him bald.

 

[Chromeo]

Nick Fury's the only good instance of blackwashing I can think of. He just looks better, idek what it is exactly, it's just an upgrade.
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I think it's a combination of giving him an all black wardrobe, black skin that compliments the all black wardrobe, and making him bald.

It's like they didn't "blackwash" him, they Samuel L Jackson-washed him. Of course he came out cooler, he's Samuel L Jackson!

It also had yet ANOTHER episode of a western cartoon that had to stop it's story to treat menstruation like some grand ritual that "makes wamens so much better than the boys you guys. "

This is where I'm too woke for KF, I kind of like that cartoons for kids that age are actually mentioning it. They're still being cringe and being WAY too precious about it, but if there can be growth spurt or voice deepening episodes, there should be period episodes too. Honestly I still think the best way to go is to just do metaphors, like when Starfire on Teen Titans turned into a cocoon and some Tamaranian-cocoon-eating monster alien was going to eat her, so the team had to save her and reassured her when she hatched that they liked her even IF her body was changing. Same message, way less cringe.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

This is where I'm too woke for KF, I kind of like that cartoons for kids that age are actually mentioning it. They're still being cringe and being WAY too precious about it, but if there can be growth spurt or voice deepening episodes, there should be period episodes too. Honestly I still think the best way to go is to just do metaphors, like when Starfire on Teen Titans turned into a cocoon and some Tamaranian-cocoon-eating monster alien was going to eat her, so the team had to save her and reassured her when she hatched that they liked her even IF her body was changing. Same message, way less cringe.

I don't think that's too woke for KF, I think that's a fairly measured and well thought out opinion quite frankly.

 

[Mayor Cody Travers]

It's like they didn't "blackwash" him, they Samuel L Jackson-washed him. Of course he came out cooler, he's Samuel L Jackson!

This is an interesting conundrum as a comics geek.

Spoiler: Possibly the only time such raceswapping works?

OG Nick Fury wasn't exactly UN-cool, but he played his concept out somewhat fast as he settled into his ultimate role as a supporting character for the Marvel Universe. His age and history also meant he got tied down as a guy whose heyday was from the past without, say, the youthfulness Captain America had being on literal ice. In addition to the Jackson-ification that simply made him look badass, I think the Black Fury hasn't had to suffer the WW2 connection and so he can grow up as a proper peer to the Marvel U heroes. That lets him do cool stuff EQUAL to the heroes "in the present", which helps a lot.

Finally, as far as I can tell, they did NO disrespect to OG Nick as they more or less retired him, helped alongside it being logical in-universe. He's an old guy, here's his successor (typical convoluted comics origins aside), we can bring out OG for a cool story if we feel like it while letting the new guy shine as the main one. Which also leads to the fact that New Nick is unapologetically still doing the cool superspy stuff, just actually modernized, as well. There's no apologies for the concept, no sense of replacement. A logical, actual reason to modernize the concept occurred and done so respectfully and intelligently without disrespecting the OG character. Far as I know they haven't tried to shift OG Nick's supporting cast personal to HIM onto New Nick as well, but instead let him build his own crew, which also helps a ton.

It vaguely reminds me of how everyone praised the Kingpin being played by a Black man in Affleck's Daredevil - but in that case, I think it's a different concept, where the dude legitimately could and did match him in physicality and personality outside of skin color, which made it easy to drop the issue. In this day and age that's likely too sensitive/culture wars-esque to do, but it WOULD be an interesting exercise to have say Hal Jordan and John Stewart in a live-action film be respectively played by a Black and White dude, while looking as visually humanly close to them as possible, and of course completely matching their respective personalities in acting. Especially since Green Lantern always had people of all colors in its ranks, much less the whole different alien species thing.... but they're all united in being cops and thus ideology (smash criminals).

 

[Arbiter]

ENA is getting a new animated project

 

[Trollblade69]

Nick Fury's the only good instance of blackwashing I can think of. He just looks better, idek what it is exactly, it's just an upgrade.

I think it's a combination of giving him an all black wardrobe, black skin that compliments the all black wardrobe, and making him bald.

There's kind of a giant asterisk on this in how The Ultimates was doing this as stunt casting for a potential movie deal.

 

[Coolio55]

Looking at the Tubi Cartoon Network list. I'm happy that shit like Evil Con Carne and Cow and Chicken are getting official streaming releases. I can guess the corpo reason why Johnny Bravo isn't there, but why the fuck isn't Chowder, I Am Weasel and Flapjack not there? There's no way in hell they are releasing them on DVD, weird as hell they aren't putting them up to make some money off of them.

If you want Johnny Bravo it's probably on some Indian streaming service. They love it over there.

Black kids should be growing up off of Static Shock. I heard Moon Girl was good too but I wouldn't know, the artstyle looks sick tho

From the snatches I've seen, Moon Girl does look like one of the least-worst drawn kids shows in recent memory.
...it's just that it's a standard nu-disney show. I mean, the whole tranny episode* was bad but the main character is also a race and gender swap of an existing character.
*that they made but got pulled before release

 

[Papa stink]

If you want Johnny Bravo it's probably on some Indian streaming service. They love it over there.

From the snatches I've seen, Moon Girl does look like one of the least-worst drawn kids shows in recent memory.
...it's just that it's a standard nu-disney show. I mean, the whole tranny episode* was bad but the main character is also a race and gender swap of an existing character.
*that they made but got pulled before release

I also remember seeing a clip from the show about pronouns and non-binary stuff too.

 

[Getmeout]

...it's just that it's a standard nu-disney show. I mean, the whole tranny episode* was bad but the main character is also a race and gender swap of an existing character.
*that they made but got pulled before release

That episode getting canned was a big win, I'm all for adults stating their opinions on trangenderism, no matter what the opinion is-- But it's a kids show, keep that topic to the adults.

 

[Ultraman Orb Dark]

Captain Durag is essentially the same, I disagree that he's racist, but I wouldn't want my kids growing up off of him cause he takes a pretty minute detail about being black (Wearing a hair accessory) and makes it his entire personality because "Hey black people do this". It's not offensive, just... I don't wanna say "shameful" cause that sounds too deep, but you know what I mean. It's cringe behavior that kids shouldn't be growing up off of, you're going to turn them weird awkward and annoying, just like how the creator of the show is. I think to put it in a more understandable context, imagine if there was an American white superhero called "Captain Crocs". You're not offended, but the idea of your kid unironically looking up to him as a savior of your race makes you want to cut all television out of your child's life. People are describing it best by saying it unironically sounds like something that'd play on the TV in GTA.

Didn't the creator of the She-Ra reboot get in hot water for doing something like this too?

Black kids should be growing up off of Static Shock. I heard Moon Girl was good too but I wouldn't know, the artstyle looks sick tho
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It's a pretty solid show, even if a few episodes (like the ones mentioned earlier) aren't the best at addressing social issues. It does a pretty good job justifying why the titular heroes can't get help from other heroes because the first episode all but says the Avengers are too preoccupied with bigger threats to focus on small potatoes like a villain causing blackouts in the LES. It's sort of like a kid-friendly Luke Cage in that it's set in a single area of New York City, but gives the setting and its people enough focus to feel lived in. There's even an episode tackling gentrification and how communities can come together to fight back. It also had a crossover with... Spidey and His Amazing Friends.

Again, not every episode is a winner, but it's still worth a shot.

*ahem.*
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Good point, good point. May I also add...

And...

And also...

 

[The Great One]

Spidey and His Amazing Friends.

And here's my point for this whole entire thing with people saying "put marvel characters in the hey aj show instead of captain durag." If you want babies first marvel put that on, or the iron man version, which exists?

Or literally watch anything that isnt a fucking toddler show, like the people who are putting too much time, patience and energy for a show for babies just because of the captain durag stuff are grown men, authough you could say these grown men are acting like man-babies but point still stands. If you are a bix nood complaining about some feckless show for fetuses just because its black history month, and that you bake the character with more stereotypes just because captain durag wasn't enough, you deserve to be called a nigger.