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Basic Blond Boy said:
I hate that I know this won’t be good, as conceptually, I am a big fan of the Wonderland horror it is going for. I would love to see a western animated property go all in on a “Wonderland” psychological horror, it’s such an untapped niche genre heavily regulated to IP like Alice, Batman, and Silent Hill.

Main character going through a specialized hellscape that plays to their mental hiccups will never not be interesting to me. By all means, I want this to be something special, but I know the creator and know she won’t do anything interesting with the concept of having characters face some form of inner demon in a Disney from hell. The setup is so good, that I have a large feeling this will be a huge hit, not for what it is, but what it could have been.

Also, love the main “monster” girl’s design. Don’t care for the obvious, le owning Disney gimmick, and wish that shit would have gotten thrown out as to not waste this potential horror queen.
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I always loved the aesthetic Alice in Wonderland had. Still do
 
Papa stink said:
What even was the reason for the Loude House fandom's specific brand of super autism?
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Longrunning show, large ensemble cast with many many secondary and tertiary characters, just mainstream enough to be easily consumed and discussed without being mainstream enough to contend with serious mainstream criticism, basically has all the Hallmarks of a show that would attract a deeply maladjusted community and then shelter them.
Trollblade69 said:
You will not ever prove /co/ wrong.
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Imagine still using 4chan post-2013. What a loser.
Basic Blond Boy said:
Main character going through a specialized hellscape that plays to their mental hiccups will never not be interesting to me
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Sure, the issue is that Silent Hill 2 already exists and has done that concept the best that anyone possibly ever could and so everything else in the genre ends up derivative.
 

Puss In Boots was an unfinished short film being produced at the Computer Graphics Lab at the New York Institute of Technology. Not a lot is known about the project other than it was produced alongside the unreleased educational short film, Measure for Measure. The lab's 2D animation team consisted of a variety of artists ranging from background artist Paul Xander (who's backgrounds are seen here) to Fleischer Studios animator Johnny Gent (who was likely on this project.) Puss in Boots, along with Measure for Measure and a multitude of other shorts and tests from the lab at this time, was animated traditionally on paper before being scanned in, colored, and composited digitally through a new system titled SoftCel. This is one of the first examples of digital ink and paint. The kicker? This was made in 1978.
 
Vyse Inglebard said:
Puss In Boots (Unfinished 1978 Computer Animated Film, Clip).mp4
Puss In Boots was an unfinished short film being produced at the Computer Graphics Lab at the New York Institute of Technology. Not a lot is known about the project other than it was produced alongside the unreleased educational short film, Measure for Measure. The lab's 2D animation team consisted of a variety of artists ranging from background artist Paul Xander (who's backgrounds are seen here) to Fleischer Studios animator Johnny Gent (who was likely on this project.) Puss in Boots, along with Measure for Measure and a multitude of other shorts and tests from the lab at this time, was animated traditionally on paper before being scanned in, colored, and composited digitally through a new system titled SoftCel. This is one of the first examples of digital ink and paint. The kicker? This was made in 1978.
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Yep, all this to discover a new way to streamline the 2D process from the painstaking need to ink, paint, compose and photograph thousands of cels in a standard animation pipeline.

Reminded this was same outfit that made this a few years earlier...
 
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Basic Blond Boy said:
Main character going through a specialized hellscape that plays to their mental hiccups will never not be interesting to me. By all means, I want this to be something special, but I know the creator and know she won’t do anything interesting with the concept of having characters face some form of inner demon in a Disney from hell. The setup is so good, that I have a large feeling this will be a huge hit, not for what it is, but what it could have been.
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I take it that Dana cannot into character psychology?
 
Sleazy Car Salesman said:
Sure, the issue is that Silent Hill 2 already exists and has done that concept the best that anyone possibly ever could and so everything else in the genre ends up derivative.
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Would disagree, somewhat cause I am more partial to SH3 and will even admit to liking the narrative of SH’s copy-cat Rule of Rose more, I think other works have been more expansive with the other-worldly atmosphere than Silent Hill was willing to go.

I mention Batman, as it’s one of the more notable brands to have a sort of otherly world and play with themes of mental health. Gotham is its own unique hellscape, basically a Wonderland in how surreal it is. What with its acids that bleach people’s skin, the plants eating people, fear gas, the walking refrigerator, etc.. A location like Arkham Asylum becomes a literal labyrinth of wacky characters, many of which playing to Batman on some level, pushing his sanity to the limit. You get a little bit of man vs beast with Croc and Man-Bat, dual identity with Two-Face, addiction with Bane, and much more. I like how Batman creates this unique world that is as fucked and weird as the people who inhabit it, constantly testing the main hero’s sanity. In many ways, Batman is the Alice of his story a, questionably, sane individual up against a world with no real logic that may or may not be a reflection.
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Same goes for something like McGee Alice. Using the surreal story and world of a nonsense children’s novel to build a narrative about overcoming trauma and later being able to break a cycle of abuse is, frankly, an insane story prospect to propose. Yet, I love how off-the-rails it is, and how genuine it can be. It takes some balls to pull off something like it.

I respect SH2 for the great twist, but I prefer the world and that “feeding of insanity” relationship between setting and inhabitants that a McGee or Batman provides. It is a very different take on the “personal hell” that isn’t as explicit, but still there. The world still bends in such a way as to depict the protagonist’s fractured state.

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invisibult plus+ said:
I take it that Dana cannot into character psychology?
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She wrote the Owl House, which was “unfairly” cancelled by Disney. This whole project is clearly a fuck you dad project towards Disney that will very likely lack anything interesting beyond Mouse bad.
 
Basic Blond Boy said:
She wrote the Owl House, which was “unfairly” cancelled by Disney. This whole project is clearly a fuck you dad project towards Disney that will very likely lack anything interesting beyond Mouse bad.
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I was asking that partially because I’ve only heard of The Owl House irt lesbeans or enbeans, so I don’t imagine she’s good at writing or understanding characters. But while I know that that show got shitcanned by Disney and she’s butthurt about it, I was wondering how she actually approaches these characters, unless they have as little thought put into them as their designs?
 
Basic Blond Boy said:
Would disagree, somewhat cause I am more partial to SH3 and will even admit to liking the narrative of SH’s copy-cat Rule of Rose more, I think other works have been more expansive with the other-worldly atmosphere than Silent Hill was willing to go.

I mention Batman, as it’s one of the more notable brands to have a sort of otherly world and play with themes of mental health. Gotham is its own unique hellscape, basically a Wonderland in how surreal it is. What with its acids that bleach people’s skin, the plants eating people, fear gas, the walking refrigerator, etc.. A location like Arkham Asylum becomes a literal labyrinth of wacky characters, many of which playing to Batman on some level, pushing his sanity to the limit. You get a little bit of man vs beast with Croc and Man-Bat, dual identity with Two-Face, addiction with Bane, and much more. I like how Batman creates this unique world that is as fucked and weird as the people who inhabit it, constantly testing the main hero’s sanity. In many ways, Batman is the Alice of his story a, questionably, sane individual up against a world with no real logic that may or may not be a reflection.
IMG_0243.jpeg

Same goes for something like McGee Alice. Using the surreal story and world of a nonsense children’s novel to build a narrative about overcoming trauma and later being able to break a cycle of abuse is, frankly, an insane story prospect to propose. Yet, I love how off-the-rails it is, and how genuine it can be. It takes some balls to pull off something like it.

I respect SH2 for the great twist, but I prefer the world and that “feeding of insanity” relationship between setting and inhabitants that a McGee or Batman provides. It is a very different take on the “personal hell” that isn’t as explicit, but still there. The world still bends in such a way as to depict the protagonist’s fractured state.
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While on the topic of Wonderland, it reminds me of something, Meet the Robinsons, the original book (A Day With Wilbur Robinson), had this kind wonderland-ish aesthetic that made William Joyce kinda standout for his art. Joyce has his own futuristic version that makes everything wacky but the setting he goes for is essentially 50's future-ish for the book.
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I don't know if it counts but what you showed reminded me of it, plus how everything in that comic looks.
 
invisibult plus+ said:
I take it that Dana cannot into character psychology?
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Will phone a friend on this one.

From what I have seen, it is basically the usual cal-arts 2010s pipeline of bringing in an interesting premise then sidelining it for nothing episodes and the gay pairing. Seems like it has its moments of being dark and building up characters, but after so many of these series I honestly couldn’t be bothered to care. Not really a Harry Potter or Gravity Falls fan either, so the show has nothing for me on conception.

The new one looks interesting, and maybe it will pull off something special without Disney, but I wouldn’t hold my breath. It’ll probably end up suffering from a lack of focus and get way too into having generic LGBT protagonist be the selling point rather than the much more interesting horror premise.
 
The official Garfield & Friends channel posts whole episodes of the show.


(like this one with A Vacation From His Senses, The Incredibly Stupid Swamp Monster, and Dread Giveaway)
 
Trollblade69 said:
Who cares. It's going to suck. All these shows are going to suck.

There will never be another good cartoon in your lifetime. You will not ever prove /co/ wrong.
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I want to rank you the opposite of "optimistic." You're being pessimistic. You get a doomer rainbow:
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ToroidalBoat said:
The official Garfield & Friends channel posts whole episodes of the show.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=bTSJSpLzYHs
(like this one with A Vacation From His Senses, The Incredibly Stupid Swamp Monster, and Dread Giveaway)
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Here's my problem with the new remasters for garfield and friends. For some reason when 9story remastered garfield and friends (when they still had the license) they cropped the show to 16x9 minus one episode season 1 episode 7 (because its original 16mm master was gone, so they used an earlier tape master for it. And also the intro for season 1 was also missing so they reanimated it poorly in flash.
Edit: and another thing with this remaster, before it was dumped on most free streaming services and or youtube through the official garfield and friends channel. This remaster was only available and was made for the boomerang streaming service (like the channel boomerang, before it got shitcanned and everything went to HBO max)
 
ToroidalBoat said:
Why "remaster" the show anyway? Standard definition should be good enough since it was made for that.
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Because during 2018, boomerang had the license for garfield and friends on both cable tv and their streaming app. And while that was going on, 9story had the original negatives. And I guess to entice people to the app, they had all the episodes remastered in HD, then cropped to 16x9 to fit modern tv's have the intro reanimated because as per mentioned "they lost the original master for the intro."
 
Yes, I agree that children deserve shows that take themselves more seriously as opposed to slop pumped out to rot their brains so parents wouldn't have to look after them. Yes, the moral of "just don't get mad!" is wrong and potentially harmful, especially toward the age demographic... but there comes a time where you have to ask yourself... "Why am I making my entire identity centred around fucking PJ MASKS"
 
Valstrax said:
Yes, I agree that children deserve shows that take themselves more seriously as opposed to slop pumped out to rot their brains so parents wouldn't have to look after them. Yes, the moral of "just don't get mad!" is wrong and potentially harmful, especially toward the age demographic... but there comes a time where you have to ask yourself... "Why am I making my entire identity centred around fucking PJ MASKS"
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This person's persona is almost on par with thomas autists or blues clues autists on being obsessed with characters so much that they make their "mascot" be one of the characters. Also
And here's some comments from said video
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Is this really what zoomies qualify as "good kids cartoons", also prodigy math being a good game, that shit was just garbage pokemon with math slapped on to it.
 
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