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Asdfgunman81 said:
As someone who's read the comics. I find it quite insulting that the Disney artists didn't even bother trying to make it close to the source material. Its just them trying to follow the formula of Timon and Pumba with having a different character that is trying to be like Bugs Bunny without any wit and charm. It just feels genetic even coming from Disney back then.
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I just feel Disney wanted it's own version of the success Hanna-Barbera had with the Smurfs.
 
Asdfgunman81 said:
What other stuff did Michael einser do to fuck up Disney? He has had a reputation of not keeping promises to people. I would imagine that a lot of the artists who worked for Disney during that era he was CEO have grudges on him.
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A lot of bad decisions. Crappy new park attractions in his later years, bad DTV sequels... and stuff like buying the Fox Family Channel. There were a lot of things you could call "Eisner's Folly" back then. Some of them, like ABC Family/Freeform/whatever, still are.
 
Yamma Damma said:
I hardly remember this carton but I do remember being bored. The animation was standard disney fair but that was it. I think S&M is notable for that alone since other Disney cartoons at that time were better balanced in all aspects. Even Bonkers was better balanced than this.


Marsupilami (and that gorilla retard) was just Timon & Pumbaa as different species. He show wasn't memorable outside of his long tail gimmick. In retrospect, Marsupilami would have been way better if he kept being a silent side character for Spirou and Fantasio's action-packed adventures. Why did Disney only spotlight the cheetah monkey over the Tintin like heroes? A mystery I'm not sober enough to solve right now.
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Steamboat_Bill said:
When Franquin left the series he got the rights to the Marsupilami and spun him off into his own comic.

There have apparently been several French-made cartoons based off the character which are truer to how he appears in the comics.
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Trilby said:
It was sad, Belgium has quite a great roster of characters yet Disney had to screw Franquin over on his famous animal.
https://www.pipelinecomics.com/comic-book-artist-franquin-sues-disney-and-wins/
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Yamma Damma said:
Sobered up and read the article. Disney ALMOST screwed him over but three factors blocked them.

1. They entrusted a 10mil deal to junior executives who lied about talking to the network execs about how to introduce Marsupilami to the west the best way they could. The deal was Disney would make a 13 episode (30 minutes each) show before 1993 was over. Instead they made shorts that didn't add up to the promised deal. And to add insult to injury, he was put alongside Bonkers who did get the full show treatment (the author sounded salty about it haha).

2. Because those amateur hour bitches lied, disney's resources were also pointed 100% towards their movies that were raking in the dough at the time. The poor fella was pushed aside for logical but bullshit reasons. 10mil in the 90s is still a hunky stack of cash even for Disney. Was the Renaissance able to recuperate that lost cost?

3. The office staff put their decision to end the Marsupilami contract for the new movies in a FUCKING MEMO to the chief executive officer. Their admission was in writing! :story:

Franquin is one of the lucky few who went into the Rat Trap and emerged victorious even in death. I wish I knew about this than Marvel creators always trying to go against them and losing every time. Disney may have gotten stronger at the legal justice game but they'll never be immune to incompetence.


Youtube has both the Disney shorts and a few episodes of the newer cartoons. Shocking since jewtube likes to jewtube.

The article @Trilby linked had a clip for a live action movie co-starring him (timestamp 1:36). Maybe I'm still hungover because he looks cute. Cuter than the fucked up live action Smurfs at least.
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Trombonista said:
I completely forgot Marsupilami was a thing that I had seen.
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Asdfgunman81 said:
As someone who's read the comics. I find it quite insulting that the Disney artists didn't even bother trying to make it close to the source material. Its just them trying to follow the formula of Timon and Pumba with having a different character that is trying to be like Bugs Bunny without any wit and charm. It just feels genetic even coming from Disney back then.
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Sinner's Sandwich said:
I loved watching Marsupilami when I was small. Children don't care as long as it's funny.
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Surprisingly, the half of every episode from Disney’s Marsupilami is available on YouTube. I’m surprised he got a bunch of other tv shows while Gaston Lagaffe, another character by Franquin, only got one.
Disney’s Marsupilami

 
albert the programmer said:
The Runaway Pants episode of Billy and Mandy is probably one of the best episodes of the show. From the Twilight Zone reference to them having Grim be a replacement P.E. teacher because he scared the original teacher to literal death because of his body, it’s just a very great episode.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Om267RRUtO0
I think Rod Serling would have a laugh if he were still alive to watch this.
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Another underrated scene, Billy and Mandy was fantastic and making simple scenes escalate quickly into hilarious dark chaos. The perfect balance of horror and comedy in a kids cartoon, one of CN top 5 series easily.
 
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starborn427614 said:
Apple or Blizzard/Activision gives them a run for their money.
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Mullti Port RDRAM said:
What if, hear me out: Disney buys Activision?

I would hope Lenin rises from his grave to smother capitalism in response.
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Capitalism has caused so much harm to the animation industry, especially in the 21st century.

Edit: I have to fess up and and admit I was only half serious. Capitalism is dandy as hell with the proper checks and balances and isn’t the direct cause of animation’s woes, at least not in the way you think.

And I’m not going to bat for Activision or Apple but why make it a pissing contest when all corpos are the same?
 
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Private Pyle said:
Capitalism has caused so much harm to the animation industry, especially in the 21st century.
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Well, you can also go back to the 20th century, if you want. I think with the benefit of hindsight, it's safe to say that the fall of communism and the establishment of capitalism in Eastern Europe badly crippled the animation industries there, and none of them have really recovered.
 
Steamboat_Bill said:
Well, you can also go back to the 20th century, if you want. I think with the benefit of hindsight, it's safe to say that the fall of communism and the establishment of capitalism in Eastern Europe badly crippled the animation industries there, and none of them have really recovered.
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True. It really got worst over here with the advent of stuff like Cartoon Network and Disney Channel.
 
Steamboat_Bill said:
Well, you can also go back to the 20th century, if you want. I think with the benefit of hindsight, it's safe to say that the fall of communism and the establishment of capitalism in Eastern Europe badly crippled the animation industries there, and none of them have really recovered.
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True to say the 90's really destroyed the state-funded system those countries had relied on for decades to make their cartoons, features and experimental pieces.
 
Trilby said:
True to say the 90's really destroyed the state-funded system those countries had relied on for decades to make their cartoons, features and experimental pieces.
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And unfortunately, the criminal oligarchs who replaced them were more interested in lining their own pockets than presenting a patriotic picture of their country.
 
AnOminous said:
And unfortunately, the criminal oligarchs who replaced them were more interested in lining their own pockets than presenting a patriotic picture of their country.
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They still want to do that, but the works all suck. Russians who grew up in the post-Soviet era prefer to watch foreign films over the native stuff, and when they do watch the native stuff, it's invariably a Soviet movie. It's not uncommon to hear that Soviet films are better than the new stuff from people who never lived in the USSR. And the same goes for cartoons. The old Soviet cartoons are still as popular as ever, and there haven't been many native cartoons that reached those levels of popularity. Masha and the Bear, maybe...

Soyuzmultfilm's been trying to position itself as a studio that can compete with Western stuff on its level lately. Only time will tell...
 
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