Were Native Americans basically cavemen?

[Sparkletor 2.0]

Were Indians stone age primitive savages who believed in magic and didn't even have the wheel, or were they a highly advanced culturally rich society that was unjustly colonized by white Europeans?

 

[The Backwards Man]

They still are.

 

[HyperboreanRightsActivist]

Wrong, stalker. Consult this chart before making a fool of yourself, you subhuman cavebeast:

 

[Otis Mallebrok]

Both, really.

 

[OrionBalls]

They invented hammocks, and cultivated the greatest cereal grain (corn) and that's kind of cool.

 

[Picnic_Boy]

Indians aren't the monoculture they're made out to be. Some tribes were relatively sophisticated, others were barbarians.

 

[Party Hat Wurmple]

Basically?? Nigga the Pueblos literally lived in cliff alcoves.

 

[dick brain]

Wouldn't know, wasn't there.

The most interesting take I've heard is that indigenous American animals were just too big and fucking mean to practically domesticate. Virtually all the animals we think of as livestock today except turkeys were brought over from Eurasia, including horses and oxen, which were indigenous to the Americas at one point but extinct by 3000BC. And without horses and oxen, you didn't have draft animals for farming or transportation, etc. It's like they got a bad Minecraft seed. They had llamas and that's about it.

I do think there's something to the noble savage worldview of living in harmony/rita/arete with the larger universe around you that's lost on the European thought school of continually asserting your dominance over nature and fucking with the fundamental rules of reality. You never gain something but that you lose something.

 

[SandyCat]

They still are.

But now with booze

 

[Picnic_Boy]

Isn't this kind of that five civilized tribes thing with like the Choctaw and Cherokee?

Yeah. There's a reason the Choctaw sided with the Feds over the Commanche. It's not that they liked the Feds, in fact they even fought against them in the Civil War, but as bad as Uncle Sam was, the Commanche were even worse.

 

[Astro Loafo]

Yes... but

But

There is a theory that they used to have a civilization close to Greek. But when several Europeans had explored the America's their diseases wiped out enough natives sending them to post apocalyptic setting.

 

[Alex Hogendorp]

No. Cavemen are still around. This is a real caveman.

 

[Joe Swanson]

Yes... but

But

There is a theory that they used to have a civilization close to Greek. But when several Europeans had explored the America's their diseases wiped out enough natives sending them to post apocalyptic setting.

Wasn't that just the Mohawk or something

 

[Niggernerd]

Basically?? Nigga the Pueblos literally lived in cliff alcoves.

That's pretty kino ngl

 

[Huh what?]

"Native Americans" were actually Mongolians who traveled from Russia to Alaska to get to North America. The Mongolian nomads have a TON in common with what we now consider to be American natives. This used to be common knowledge, and is now completely lost on today's generation who have been brainwashed by Tiktok into thinking that blacks and Mexicans were native to America and white people were created in a lab or some shit.

 

[Huh what?]

Never seen anyone claim blacks were native to America. This is just outrage porn

It's all over Tiktok. There's a whole conspiracy rabbit hole of niggers claiming to be the original inhabitants of just about every country in the world, from the United States to various European and even Asian countries. I even saw a video where they claimed to be the original Japanese samurais. These are serious videos with hundreds of thousands of views and the comments are full of blacks earnestly saying things like "This is the real history they don't teach you in school ." It's complete madness.

 

[El Goblina]

Wrong, stalker. Consult this chart before making a fool of yourself, you subhuman cavebeast:

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Needs a "Mormon Content" react, but I guess Islamic will do. Close enough.

 

[Freshly Baked Socks]

They invented hammocks, and cultivated the greatest cereal grain (corn) and that's kind of cool.

I also enjoy potatos, chili peppers, avocados, and chocolate. Some might suggest they had the better diet.

And "Native Americans" are a varied lot, as the Americas stretches from pole to pole. There have been multiple waves of immigration through history. Some walked a landbridge, others sailed there.

 

[gildersleeve]

AFAIK There were complex, high population density, late chalcolithic/early bronze age civilizations on the east coast and in the southwest of North America. However after the grand depopulation event called smallpox happened. Most of them devolved into the small tribal societies the Europeans encountered after colonization started in earnest. Functionally they had an apocalypse and degenerated in complexity. Most likely lost a lot of social development and technology during that. Though I don't believe during that period pre 1400's they actually made any metal tools of any kind. I think the Inca or the Olmecs did make iron tools. But not to the same extent or level of skill as the old world achieved. Metallurgy was almost exclusively for ceremonial or jewelry purposes.
The peoples inhabiting the southwest during a wet period actually built stone dwellings. Alongside the carved cliff dwellings associated with the Anasazi.
As previous posters mentioned. They also didn't have any desirable animals for riding, pack animals available for domestication. Though they did successfully achieve selective breeding for high calorie foodstuffs like corn, squash and the like.

 

[Freshly Baked Socks]

If the highest attainment in life is to go fishing with your buddies, and fucking bitches on the beach - how much culture and sophistication does anyone need? When necessity is the mother of invention, having few technical advancements may lead from great natural wealth.

The trope of "whiteman going native" through time seems a demonstration of how often Western Man has forsaken ones own nation, country, king, and taxes all in one swoop to assume a simpler and more natural living.