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Art council’s use of Welsh language ‘excludes ethnic minorities’, body’s own repor

Leading cultural institutions demonstrating racism in ‘calculated and repetitive’ fashion, report says
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Two leading cultural bodies in Wales are structurally racist and their Welsh language requirements risk excluding minorities, a report commissioned by the organisations themselves has concluded.

The Arts Council of Wales and Amgueddfa Cymru - the National Museum Wales - commissioned research looking into their inclusion efforts.

The Arts Anti-Racist Union, which carried out some of the research, said that neither body had done enough to engage with people from black and ethnic minority backgrounds.

“Black and non-black people of colour are not more present” because of a “concerted structural effort - one that is very much present in the attitudes and behaviours of those in power”, the report said.

It also said the organisations excluded black and minority people not through “willful ignorance”, but as part of a “calculated and repetitive pattern”.

“Some black artists noted that they were only given commissions during Black History Month, despite having applied to work with the Arts Council of Wales and Amgueddfa Cymru - National Museum Wales (ACW and NMW-AC) on numerous occasions throughout the year,” the report added.

Meanwhile, the report said current Welsh language policies in the organisations’ applications processes “can exclude Black and non-Black people of colour”, recommending that marginalised artists and art workers should receive support to learn different languages in addition to Welsh .

It added that a group of people from ethnic minorities consulted on their experiences of the art sector in Wales had called for the organisations to “relax the emphasis” on requirements for staff having to speak Welsh.

Those who were consulted also urged the organisations to offer “job sharing in roles that may require Welsh language proficiency.”

The Arts Council of Wales currently requires the Welsh language skills of staff to be tested annually through a self-assessment.

In a joint statement, Arts Council of Wales and Amgueddfa Cymru, which have also commissioned research into their engagement with poorer communities and those living with disabilities, said they "welcomed the findings" and would take steps to address the concerns outlined in the report.

"The approaches taken by all three organisations focused on collaborating with communities rather than extrapolating from communities, and provide a range of important findings and recommendations," the statement added.

"Arts Council of Wales and Amgueddfa Cymru will publish a joint action plan with a timeframe for taking forward the recommendations in the autumn."
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Oh no! Native languages can be considered racist now guys! Especially if they're already dying minority languages!

 
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feedtheoctopus said:
Then you're not actually preserving a culture, you're preserving a fantastic and mythologized version of it. And that's my point, it's not "the" culture, it's you. It's something you made up. You picked it out of the morass of history and then made it an idol. This is idiotic.
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What do you mean by fantastic and mythologized? To borrow my previous example of Greek Symposiums; they were real events which I didn't make up. Symposiums without the other elements of ancient Greek culture are possible. There's no mythology of fantasy involved unless you hold that you can't have a banquet with entertainment and deep discussion without you and your friends also being Mediterranean child fuckers. Now onto the whole street preacher sounding line about idolatry.

Idol worship would suggest subordination and worship. Its ironic that you say in your next comment that nobody is getting your nuance when you insist that you can't desire to preserve any part of culture without becoming a slave to it. You can hold different cultural elements to different values. For instance, if I was asked to die to preserve my cultural cuisine I would probably say no. Conversely, to preserve my cultural values on freedom I would gladly give my life. On other hand, even If I wouldn't subordinate myself to my culture's cuisine I would still want to preserve it. You don't need to worship culture to want to retain elements which you think are good. At the same time you don't need to be revolutionary and tear everything down if you want to introduce something new or change a part of your culture that you find bad.

Bonus Round: Why are you using fantastic and mythologized as pejoratives? The historical basis for Gautama Buddha is pretty shaky. I would say respecting the sanctity of all life is nonetheless a reasonable principle. Even if later Buddhist societies were mistaken and mythologizing why would that make them wrong?
 
feedtheoctopus said:
Yeah that's a pretty shit analysis OP. They aren't saying the language is racist, they're saying requirements to speak it in government funded cultural projects basically means everybody who doesn't never gets a job. Which is just objectively true, whether you think it's "worth it" or not
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Welsh was on the brink of extinction, fuck you! Fucking eunuch faggot, just because you don't have any balls anymore doesn't mean the rest are as damaged as you are.
 
Emperor Augustus said:
I like reading about history
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History's great! You can tell lolcows have never cracked a history book open because they'd have learned the value of not being a lolcow. I mean, there's no shortage of historical lolcows to read up on and laugh at.
 
Snekposter said:
History's great! You can tell lolcows have never cracked a history book open because they'd have learned the value of not being a lolcow. I mean, there's no shortage of historical lolcows to read up on and laugh at.
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Absolutely. One person I'd recommend reading about is Timothy Dexter, an absolute fool who managed to stumble his way into fame and fortune. He was once tricked into bulk buying coal by his fellow merchants and shipping it to Newcastle, completely unaware that at the time the town was a major coal producer. By sheer luck he arrived right in the middle of a miners strike and completely sold out.
Later when writing his (nonsensical) memoir he failed to add any punctuation, turning the entire book into one giant run on sentence. When critics pointed this out he typed out several pages of commas and full stops at the end of newer prints, and told readers to punctuate the book themselves.

Here's a good overview: https://historyofyesterday.com/the-worlds-luckiest-businessman-51426c27fdc7

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My first thought was- ‘Who are these fuckers?’ and it appears they are… nobodies. What a surprise. The Welsh Arts Anti Racist Union‘s email address is fucking gmail, they cant even spend a few quid on a domain and seem to mostly exist as a Twitter account, yet they somehow managed to browbeat enough public sector middle class white arts graduates to get themselves commissioned to do ‘research’ that concluded that more money needed throwing at people who are no doubt members of the WAARU. It’s just yet another race grift.

Ill be interested to see what the Welsh Nationalist response is to this, they have a history of feistiness, and if too many WAARU members are English they’ll be seething so hard you’ll be able to see the steam from Liverpool.
 
CWCissey said:
Excellent if true!
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It's true. Dyn is man and du is black. Word order in Welsh is (simplifying) the reverse of English. If you have doubts:
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Bad Take Crucifier said:
How dare the country require people to speak the native language to work in their government! So unfair to immigrants! Immigrants should be allowed to come in and control everything with no barriers to entry what so ever!
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Didn't the english do to wales and scotland what they did to ireland and try to force them to speak english?
Because I assume so, which makes this whole thing even more retarded and somehow racist but against the welsh.
 
Karl der Grosse said:
I read some book that Bill Bryson wrote about travelling around Britain, and how when he went to Wales he was always surprised when he'd turn on the TV and watch some show broadcast in Welsh, how it was incomprehensible argle-bargle and now and then an English phrase would be dropped in the middle, like "dirty weekend".
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They do this in person, too. Numbers seem to be in English, and they are fully aware when none-Welsh are present among them.

Every time I have heard the Welsh speak in Welsh, their hurried tone implies they are simply waiting for the other Brits to leave, before resorting to English themselves.

Niggers making demands of the Welsh is rich, those fuckers are just outright hostile to other Brits. Spoiled darkies think that the Welsh are singling them out, when infact Wales is probably the most xenophobic part of the UK these days, beating out Northern Ireland.
 
I don't know Swahili because I feel that belongs to the people of Africa. Those racist cunts.
 
which carried out some of the research, said that neither body had done enough to engage with people from black and ethnic minority backgrounds.
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Remind me how it is their job to "engage" with people who probably don't gibe a fuck? What are they going to round them up and force them to listen to the lectures?
 
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