WE ARE REPAGANIZING

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by Louise Perry October 2023 Article Archive

There’s a very short and very brutal poem by the Scottish poet Hollie McNish, written in 2019 and titled “Conversation with an archaeologist”:

he said they’d found a brothel
on the dig he did last night
I asked him how they know
he sighed:
a pit of babies’ bones
a pit of newborn babies’ bones was how to spot a brothel

“It’s true, you know,” said the writer and lawyer Helen Dale when we had lunch in London last year and I mentioned this poem, which I chose as one of the epigraphs to my book The Case Against the Sexual Revolution. Helen was a classicist before she was a lawyer, and as a younger woman she had taken part in archaeological excavations of ancient Roman sites. “First you find the erotic statuary,” she went on, “and then you dig a bit more and you find the male infant skeletons.” Male, of course, because the males were of no use to the keepers of Roman brothels, whereas the female infants born to prostituted women were raised into prostitution themselves.

I realize that this is not a nice thing to think about. Personally, I find that if I let my mind rest for more than a moment on these tiny extinguished lives, and on the cruelty of the society that regarded their suffering as an acceptable consequence of the need to satiate male lust, I experience a painful, squeezing, swooping sensation in my chest that I’ve discovered only since I became a mother myself—an involuntary physical response that I felt for the first time during my third trimester when I read an article on abortion that included a graphic description of what the procedure actually involves. I recalled that moment as I spoke to Helen, and it occurred to me that I had no idea what modern abortion clinics do with fetal remains. The answer, I’ve since discovered, is that the remains are usually burned, along with other “clinical waste.” There will be no infant skeletons for archaeologists of the future to find.

To mention abortion and infanticide in the same breath is a provocation. A majority of voters in Britain and America regard abortion as permissible in some circumstances, whereas very few are willing to say the same of infanticide (with some notable exceptions, as we will see). But this distinction has not been made by all peoples at all times. The anthropologist David F. Lancy describes the “far more common pattern”:

Among the ancient Greeks and Romans sickly, unattractive, or unwanted infants were “exposed” or otherwise eliminated; the Chinese and Hindus of India have, since time immemorial, destroyed daughters at birth, to open the way for a new pregnancy and a more desirable male offspring; the Japanese likened infanticide to thinning the rice plants in their paddies; among foragers such as the Inuit or the Jivaro, unwanted babies were left to nature to claim.

Modern technologies such as ultrasound allow us to identify undesirable characteristics (for instance, female sex or Down syndrome) earlier than our ancestors could, but the most common reasons given by women seeking abortions today—poverty, fetal disability, and simple unwantedness—were the same reasons given by mothers and fathers who killed their newborn infants in other times and places. Historical and anthropological accuracy therefore demands that we plot the acts of abortion and infanticide on a chronological continuum, since they have typically been performed for the same reasons and have been permitted in accordance with the same moral calculus.

It was the arrival of Christianity that disrupted the Romans’ favored methods of keeping reproduction in check, with laws against infanticide, and then abortion, imposed by Christian emperors from the late fourth century. Christians have always been unusually vehement in their disapproval of the killing of infants, whether born or unborn, and their legal regime prevailed until the mid-twentieth century when we experienced a religious shift that will probably be understood by future historians as a Second Reformation. Christians are no longer in charge, and their prohibition of abortion—unlike their prohibition of infanticide, at least so far—is regarded by most pro-choice secularists as archaic, illogical, and misogynist.

I am uneasily agnostic on this issue, and I use the word “agnostic” advisedly. I’m emotionally and intellectually drawn to Christianity, and—like everyone else—I was raised in a culture suffused with fading Christian morality and symbolism. But I don’t believe, not really. And that lack of sincere belief means that my position on abortion law is not bound by any religious framework. I do not wish to see abortion per se criminalized, not only because of the effect criminalization would certainly have on desperate women, but also because—if I am entirely honest with myself—there is a very limited number of circumstances in which I would want an abortion for myself, and I would want it to be legal.

But like most voters, even in our rapidly dechristianizing era, I don’t consider abortion morally trivial. Abortion is not just “healthcare”; it is not at all like getting a tooth or a tonsil removed. I am repulsed by the grandstanding of pro-choice activists who insist that all abortions are good abortions, and who have rejected the Clinton-era slogan “safe, legal, and rare” on the grounds that it promotes “stigma.” The slogan resonated because it roughly expressed the view of the modal American voter: that abortion is sometimes a necessity, but always sad.

Uneasy agnosticism on both abortion and infanticide has probably been the norm in Christian societies, even during periods when the church was far more powerful than it is today. Laura Gowing, for instance, writes of the reluctance of witnesses and neighbors to condemn women suspected of infanticide in seventeenth-century England: instead, they would present the accused as “confused and anxious, heartbroken and manipulated by her fear of naming the father.” Although a 1624 statute demanded that women found guilty of infanticide be hanged, courts were unlikely to hand down such a sentence. This reluctance persists still, as Helen Dale writes:

An echo of humanity’s infanticidal past is still found in jury rooms throughout the common law world: the reason we do not refer to infant-killing as “murder” is because in 1922, it was reclassified and re-named with passage of the Infanticide Act. This was done because juries refused to convict—even before 1920, when they were all male and the Crown case was overwhelming—and had been refusing to convict for some time. The only crime for which fewer convictions were recorded was abortion. In Scotland, there hadn’t been a successful abortion prosecution for 50 years. To this day, infanticide convictions are astonishingly rare.

“Juries,” as Helen put it to me, “are pagan.” Increasingly, we all are.

In 1939 T. S. Eliot gave a series of lectures at the University of Cambridge in which he described a fork in the road. Western Civilization might continue along the Christian path, he predicted, or it might adopt “modern paganism.” Eliot, a Christian convert, hoped for the former, but he feared that we were already hell-bent on the latter.

Eliot’s binary is the basis of a 2018 book by the legal historian Steven Smith titled Pagans and Christians in the City. One might reasonably ask why our choices should be limited to these two options, to be pagans or to be Christians. If we fully abandon Christianity, so say the secular reformers, shouldn’t that clear the way for some newer and better guiding philosophy?

No, says Smith, because paganism never really went away, which makes its return all the easier. Forget the account of history offered in, for instance, Gustave Doré’s painting The Triumph of Christianity Over Paganism, in which Christ and his sword-wielding angels descend from the sky and scatter the old gods. Even after the Christian emperors began to persecute pagans in earnest, Smith argues,

Paganism lingered on both in the countryside and in enclaves like Athens for decades, even centuries. . . . paganism endured as a powerful, evocative, shaping force in the historical memory and imagination of the West. It persisted both in a positive form—in wistful memories of (and attempts to recapture) the beauty and freedom that had ostensibly been lost with the suppression of paganism—and in the more negative form of a lingering anger or resentment toward the force that had supposedly defeated and suppressed it—namely, Christianity.

Smith and Eliot do not define paganism narrowly as an interest in entrails or in praying to Jupiter. Rather, they understand it as a fundamentally different outlook on the world, and on the sacred.

In theological terms, pagans are oriented toward the immanent. The pagan gods, in all their beauty and terror, are elements of this world, in contrast to the transcendent God of the Abrahamic faiths. To be sure, Christianity incorporated immanent elements over time. The ancient sacralization of sites such as wells and stones persisted, but with heathen deities replaced by Christian hermits or martyrs. Pagan festivals became entwined with the Christian calendar. The pantheon of deities was replaced by an ever-growing host of saints. Christianity flourished when it permitted followers to incorporate religious practices that were found, not only in Greek and Roman religion, but in many other religions—practices that seem, in fact, to be instinctive in human beings, particularly the veneration of nature and of ancestors.

We should understand Christianity’s impact on morality in much the same way—not as a process of replacement, but rather as a process of blending. The supremely strange thing about Christianity in anthropological terms is that it takes a topsy-turvy attitude toward weakness and strength. To put it crudely, most cultures look at the powerful and the wealthy and assume that they must be doing something right to have attained such might. The poor are poor because of some failing of their own, whether in this life or the last. The smallness and feebleness of women and children is a sign that they must be commanded by men. The suffering of slaves is not an argument against slavery, but an argument against allowing oneself to be enslaved.

Most cultures—perfectly logically—glorify warriors and kings, not those at the bottom of the heap. But Christianity takes a perverse attitude toward status and puts that perversity at the heart of the theology. “God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong” is a baffling and alarming claim to anyone from a society untouched by the strangeness of the Jesus movement.

The early Christian author Lactantius summarized the pagan objection to this topsy-turviness:

Why did [Christ] render Himself so humble and weak, that it was possible for Him both to be despised by men and to be visited with punishment? Why did He suffer violence from those who are weak and mortal? Why did He not repel by strength, or avoid by His divine knowledge the hands of men? Why did He not at least in His very death reveal His majesty?

In his book Dominion, a remarkable account of Christianity’s enduring impact on the West, Tom Holland tracks the development of this confusing preoccupation with weakness and humility. He notes that though early Christians might make the sign of the cross, or illustrate the Gospels with stylized crosses, they would not, for many centuries, regard the crucifixion as an appropriate subject for vivid artistic representation. The manner of their savior’s death was, to the Roman mind, so obscene and so humiliating as to be beneath mention. It was not until the fifth century that Christ began to be depicted in the moment of his death, and then never in a show of agony: These Christs were imagined with calm expressions, and as sculpted as a bodybuilder—or, more pertinently, a Roman god.

It took a millennium, argues Holland, for a new understanding of the Christian God to take hold of medieval Europe, “one in which the emphasis was laid not upon his triumph, but upon his suffering humanity.” New crucifixion scenes showed the reality of Christ’s suffering—the suffering of a condemned criminal, not of a king. Christians would spend the next millennium as victors over both the Old and New Worlds, frequently acting as violent persecutors. But built into the fabric of the religion was a love for the weak that could not help but (slowly, falteringly) work against the strong. Christians were not unique in owning slaves, for instance, but they were unique in eventually banning slavery, something that no other civilization had ever done before. And modern secular feminists familiar only with the caricature of Puritanism presented in Margaret Atwood’s The Handmaid’s Tale wholly underestimate the emancipatory effect that Christianity had on women.

What Kyle Harper has described as the “first sexual revolution” emerged in a slave society in which Roman men enjoyed unrestricted sexual access to the bodies of their social inferiors, including children, and murdered infants were understood as an acceptable consequence of the need for frequent male sexual release. The violation of slaves and other low-born people was simply, as Harper puts it, “beyond the field of vision for ancient thinkers.” All legal systems, including the Roman one, have some concept of rape as forbidden sexual violation. But rape is normally a crime that can be committed against only some categories of women—typically, only those whose male kin are inclined to object to the offense, and able to punish the perpetrator. The poor and the friendless have no such recourse, and they are thus defined as unrape-able.

The moral innovation of Christianity was to reconceptualize rape as a moral wrong done to the woman herself, regardless of her birth. Paul’s prohibition of (to use the Greek term) porneia—that is, illicit sexual activity, including prostitution—upended an ethical system in which male access to the female body was unquestioned and unquestionable. Whereas the Romans regarded male chastity as profoundly unhealthy, Christians prized it and insisted on it. Early converts were disproportionately female because the Christian valorization of weakness offered obvious benefits to the weaker sex, who could—for the first time—demand sexual continence of men. Feminism is not opposed to Christianity: It is its descendant.

The Irish writer Conor Fitzgerald uses the image of a necklace in describing the nature of moral systems. The system may contain discrete ideas—that feminism is a good thing, say, or that slavery is wrong—but all of these beads are threaded together on a string. “You can’t pick up the individual bead,” he posits, “without lifting the whole necklace.” You do not, I’m afraid, get to pick and choose.

When we accept the Christian emphasis on weakness as a crucial prior, many other moral conclusions follow. Slavery becomes unacceptable, as does the rape of low-status women. To point out the vulnerability of women, children, the poor, the enslaved, and the disabled is to argue in favor of their protection, not their persecution. Dress it up in secular language if you like, talk of “human rights” or of “humanism,” but this system of morality is far from universal. Holland asks,

How common, in antiquity, are the fundamental tenets of humanism: that humans—no matter their sex, their place of origin, their class—are all of equal value; and that those who walk in darkness must be brought into light? Not common at all, I would say. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that their fusion was pretty much a one-off.

In other words, secular humanism is just Christianity with nothing upstairs.

Here’s the problem for the feminists busy sawing at the branch on which they sit: The same Christian ideas that grant feminism its moral force carry other implications. Though women are a vulnerable group by virtue of their being smaller and weaker than men, there is another group of human beings who are weaker still. A group with no ability to defend themselves against violence, or to proclaim their rights. The very smallest and weakest among us, in fact. Whether we like it or not, we cannot place the protection of the vulnerable at the heart of our ethical system without reaching the conclusion that the unborn child ought not to be killed.

This presents a problem for feminism, because a prohibition on abortion places on women burdens that it does not place on men. And given the widespread practice of both abortion and infanticide, even in Christian cultures, it’s apparent that people struggle to abide by a moral principle that causes huge practical problems. Christianity only ever blended with paganism, rather than fully replacing it, because Christian teachings do cause huge practical problems for followers of the faith. It is difficult to be a good Christian; it is supposed to be.

The legal status of abortion is at the center of the contemporary culture war because it represents the bleeding edge of dechristianization. When pro-life and pro-choice advocates fight about the nitty-gritty of abortion policy, what they are really fighting about is whether our society ought to remain Christian. Most people who describe themselves as pro-choice have not really thought about what truly abandoning Christianity would mean—that is, truly abandoning Christians’ historically bizarre insistence that “God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong.” But there are a few heralds of repaganization who are willing to be confidently and frighteningly consistent.

These are not evil people. They are not even unpleasant. In an extraordinary 2003 essay, the late Harriet McBryde Johnson, a legal scholar and activist who was disabled due to a neuromuscular disease, described her personal relationship with Peter Singer, perhaps our most influential modern philosopher, and a genial agent of repaganization—including on the question of infanticide.

“He insists he doesn’t want to kill me,” Johnson begins:

He simply thinks it would have been better, all things considered, to have given my parents the option of killing the baby I once was and to let other parents kill similar babies as they come along and thereby avoid the suffering that comes with lives like mine and satisfy the reasonable preferences of parents for a different kind of child.

Singer is one of the few philosophers writing today who is willing to follow the logic of arguments made in defense of abortion all the way to the end of the long, dusty road, concluding ultimately that there is no important moral distinction between abortion and infanticide, and that the killing of some newborn babies ought to be permitted in law.

“Newborn human babies have no sense of their own existence over time,” he explains. “So killing a newborn baby is never equivalent to killing a person, that is, a being who wants to go on living.” Singer can make such claims because he rejects the notion that there is something special (dare we say, sacred) about human beings, whatever their age or cognitive abilities. He argues that one ought to assess a being’s rights based on his or her individual capacities, not on his or her membership of the human species. Within this argument is, writes McBryde Johnson, a “terrible purity.”

McBryde Johnson makes clear that Singer is not a villain. He is a kind and thoughtful person, and, on a personal level, she likes him. (Singer was also, as it happens, well-liked by my late grandmother—they were friends.) But Singer’s ideas can easily be put to villainy. He admits that the baby’s “sense of their own existence over time” does not appear suddenly but rather waxes into being. This fact presents a practical problem in the setting of a legal distinction between permissible and non-permissible child-killing. It’s a problem, of course, that all abortion legislation must face. If you do not set the limit at conception, then you must find some other point during gestation. Why not, asks Singer, push it a little further?

McBryde Johnson raises the specter of Auschwitz in her concluding paragraphs, and it is not difficult to draw parallels between a philosophy that denies the sacredness of human life and the philosophy of the Nazis. (“There is nothing particular about man. He is but a part of this world”—the words of Heinrich Himmler.) But we do not need to speak of Hitler, the secular stand-in for Satan himself, to warn against the risks of dechristianization. A world that embraced infanticide would not necessarily look anything like Nazi Germany. It would probably look like ancient Rome.

Or, indeed, twenty-first-century Canada. When it was first introduced in 2016, the Canadian Medical Assistance in Dying program (MAID) offered medically assisted suicide only to those patients whose deaths were foreseeable. But now MAID will be made available to the disabled and those suffering mental illness. Disturbing reports out of Canada suggest that the poor and the disabled are already under pressure to make use of this “service,” and depressed teenagers are eager to see it extended to so-called “mature minors,” as some euthanasia lobbyists propose.

Journalists have uncovered numerous examples of acutely distressed people applying for MAID because they have been denied health or welfare support from the state. Jennyfer Hatch, thirty-seven, was euthanized in October 2022, having given up hope of resolving the chronic pain caused by Ehlers-Danlos syndrome. She told friends that she was “falling through the cracks,” unable to access the state support she needed in order to go on living. Her desperate choice to die was glorified in a glossy TV commercial titled “All Is Beauty,” produced by the Canadian fashion retailer Simons. “Last breaths are sacred,” says Hatch in the commercial, released on the day after her death. Modern progressives still care about the sacred, it seems—just not the Christian sacred.

As Canada slips down its slippery slope, the legalization of infanticide is being discussed quite calmly within its government. In October, Louis Roy of the Quebec College of Physicians told the Special Joint Committee on Medical Assistance in Dying that parents should be able to arrange the deaths of babies up to one year old who are deemed to have “very grave and severe syndromes.” If infanticide is again legalized—first in Canada and then, inevitably, across the dechristianized world—we will know for sure that Christianity has retreated to the catacombs. And the date will come to be seen, I suspect, as a bright historical line: the moment at which we arrived at T. S. Eliot’s fork in the road and chose the older, darker path.

Christianity is often imagined as water. “But let justice run down like waters, and righteousness like an ever-flowing stream”: the words of Amos 5:24, repurposed by Martin Luther King Jr. “He who believes in Me,” promises Christ, “out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.” Water baptizes, gives life, quenches thirst, purifies filth, expunges flames, transforms things for the better. If Christianity is water, then it is an unstoppable force: It will run down and seep up, no matter the impediment.

But what if Christianity is not water? What if, instead, we understand the Christian era as a clearing in a forest? The forest is paganism: dark, wild, vigorous, and menacing, but also magical in its way. For two thousand years, Christians pushed the forest back, with burning and hacking, but also with pruning and cultivating, creating a garden in the clearing with a view upward to heaven.

But watch as roots outstretch themselves and new shoots spring up from the ground. The patch of sky recedes. “Paganism has not needed to be reinvented,” writes Steven Smith: It never went away. “In a certain sense, the Western world has arguably always remained more pagan than Christian. In some ways Christianity has been more of a veneer than a substantial reality.””

With no one left to tend the garden, the forest is reclaiming its ground.

Louise Perry is the author of The Case Against the Sexual Revolution.
 
It's said when people stop believing in God, they'll start believing in anything. The Atheist's dream of replacing Christianity with Scientific Rationalism was always doomed to failure. It's more likely that Western Civ will be taken over by women who take Gwenyth Paltrow's "Goop" seriously and by Cromwellian cultural commissars who declare all of the crazy, sin-enabling bullshit they believe in, "Science".
 
It's said when people stop believing in God, they'll start believing in anything. The Atheist's dream of replacing Christianity with Scientific Rationalism was always doomed to failure. It's more likely that Western Civ will be taken over by women who take Gwenyth Paltrow's "Goop" seriously and by Cromwellian cultural commissars who declare all of the crazy, sin-enabling bullshit they believe in, "Science".
Atheism takes religion and rips it out but doesn't replace it. It just leaves a void waiting to be filled by something else.

In a poetic way, better the devil you know then the devil you don't. You can take the faith out of the man, but not the man out of faith.
 
Christianity in America is decadent, dying, and unwilling to defend itself. I don't know how anyone with access to the Internet and all of recorded human history can honestly believe in the story (or their version of it, among many) of a Jewish kid who rose from the dead and was the literal son of God. I don't believe it. Your kids won't believe it either, unless they're low-IQ or homeschooled by Pentacostals.

You'll hiss and spit at agnostics on an evil Internet gossip forum, but God forbid you ever take Earthly action to defend your faith, its symbols, or its institutions. The Catholics were the last group vaguely organized enough to make a go of this, but that energy's pretty much gone now. "Muscular Christianity" was the extinction burst of the vital Christian spirit. Now you're all toothless tantrum-throwing conservatives or simpering paypigs for leftist subversives.

It's a shame. Churches still serve a useful purpose. Many do a lot of good works. They're a valuable source of community. We don't have anything better as a fundamental system of values, set rules, or local organizing body IMO. But belief in the magic is gone, the Christian warrior spirit is extinct, the self-destructive universalism is retarded, and all the pretending in the world won't change this.
 
It's this. If you don't control your women you will often get something they think is exotic and trendy.
This is exactly how Rome converted to Christianity, by the way. Early church leaders were bioleninist trash ("the meek") led by sympathetic Roman women and ambitious male would-be elites. Constantine was converted by his mom. Violent early Christians physically destroyed pagan centers of worship. Organized Christian armies violently conquered much of Europe and the Americas to forcibly impose their religion on the natives. The actual bloody, confused, internally-inconsistent history of the early Church was gradually obscured and replaced with comfortable lies and mythology.

Woke ideology is tracing the same path. Antifa is the modern analogue to early church iconoclasts. They already rewrite history to obscure their lies and crimes. Ask your Democrat friends about Antifa, or Kyle Rittenhouse, or transgenderism... Listen to Ancient Romans destroy Christianity with facts and logic, then realize facts and logic and truth don't matter if you don't have the will to defend them with force:

 
There are many better gods to worship.

But mine is the most kawai. He was as real as any other deity we can prove. Did not multiply bread or have a teen bride, but he did make the world 6 million times better.

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This may not be such a bad thing. As blasphemous as the worship of nature is, it at least came as a natural reaction to the world.
I don't know, nature worship sounds regressive as it just limits you to Earthbound fates rather than transcendent celestial fates that reach for the stars.

gods of a pre-literate society
And this sounds oversimplified and has the same science worshipping prejudice of modernists
 
It’s not a bad article. I think she’s largely right
The idea that we have pathologised weakness not by shunning it but by making it central is true. We’ve gone from a situation where we asserted our common humanity despite weakness to one where we put weakness, the worst parts of it, on a pedestal.
So your republic - that’s supposed to put a constitution together that says all men have rights, inalienable rights, from God. That protects weaker parties. It asserts a common humanity. It doesn’t stop strength and progress, it exalts ‘goodness’ and restraint as it stops people shitting on the weaker.
What we have now is forced elevation of a different kind of weakness - before we had weakness as a concept of lack of power in socoety (children, women, slaves.) now we exalt MORAL weakness - sexual fetishes, ugliness of form and function. We put that on a pedestal and we say that anything else is to be shunned.
She is right; a moral equivalence is creeping in that turns the basis in society on its head
 
I don't know, nature worship sounds regressive as it just limits you to Earthbound fates rather than transcendent celestial fates that reach for the stars.


And this sounds oversimplified and has the same science worshipping prejudice of modernists

Arguing with a fundie is like arguing with a sjw. Meaningless and pointless. They aren't rational and logical arguments are a waste of time.

Just replace jewish myths with Da Scieeence, and there you go. They even share their hatred for video games and heavy metal.
 
We are not repaganizing. I understand the analogy. There are some truths to it. But ultimately it fails in making sense of our current situation. Post-christian society has very little in common with pre-christian society. Paganism was half-true. The world of Paganism is enchanted, numenous, immanently divine, where supernatural and natural could not be seperated. It's more profoundly accurate than anything one sees around oneself today. Even many churches have become subject to this disenchantment, such that the Church of the first centuries cannot be said to have more in common with these modern Christians than with their pagan contemporaries (though the Charismatic movementment is a case of the opposite. Of course, Paganism is earthly: it is provincial and lacks any proper form of theosis (outside of the Platonists who prefigured Christianity), unconcerned with the transcendent and with the ultimate eternal destination of mankind as spiritual beings having a short and dreamlike human experience. So it is unfulfilled, but it is more true than what we have now, and a genuine reversion to it would be the first step in actual re-Christianization.
 
Yeah, it's not as much as Paganism as it is idol worship of things seen as strong, with insane focus on hedonism.

It's pretty funny that the post Christian west has morphed into the Christian caricature of heathens.
 
It's more likely that Western Civ will be taken over by women who take Gwenyth Paltrow's "Goop" seriously and by Cromwellian cultural commissars who declare all of the crazy, sin-enabling bullshit they believe in, "Science".
Will? I’d argue ‘has’
 
I don't know, nature worship sounds regressive as it just limits you to Earthbound fates rather than transcendent celestial fates that reach for the stars.
Stars are nature, too. Christianity, nature worship, ancestor worship are equally disposed to space exploration. Islam is less disposed for historical/ethnic reasons but it might just inherit the Earth due to Western degeneracy.

The idea that we have pathologised weakness not by shunning it but by making it central is true. We’ve gone from a situation where we asserted our common humanity despite weakness to one where we put weakness, the worst parts of it, on a pedestal.
She's utterly skitzo about it. She also says we're getting paganized, paganism is worship of strength, Christianity is worship of weakness. She's just rambling on devil weed cookies.

I read an article on abortion that included a graphic description of what the procedure actually involves.
Shit argument. All surgery is gross.

There’s a very short and very brutal poem by the Scottish poet Hollie McNish, written in 2019 and titled “Conversation with an archaeologist”:
Why didn't Christianity deal away with whorehouses, though? Why did the supposed protectors of the weak thought it appropriate to keep an underclass of weak humans to serve as receptacles of the bodily waste of the strong? Why were whorehouses legal in Russia under the Christian tsar but were immediately banned, and whores and coomers brutally and deservedly lynched for uncleanliness, physical and spitirual, under the anti-Christian immanent religion of Communism?

It was the arrival of Christianity that disrupted the Romans’ favored methods of keeping reproduction in check
This is retarded. No one was "keeping reproduction in check". "Pagans" have always prized fertility, in crops, animals, and humans. Romans' chief gods are fertility gods. Romans loved children so much they often didn't care whose biological children they were. Consider the institute of adoption. We often think a man who raises another man's son is a cuck, emasculated. Romans would think the bull was the emasculated one, having his progeny and his lineage stolen and usurped. It was submissive to have your actual son honor another man as a father. It was sometimes an honor -- e.g. having your son be officially adopted by a noble and raised as his heir -- but it was a sign of submission to the noble.

The pagan gods, in all their beauty and terror, are elements of this world, in contrast to the transcendent God of the Abrahamic faiths. To be sure, Christianity incorporated immanent elements over time.
This is retarded, false, and exactly the cause of Christianity's current downfall. When your faith is rarefied and abstract, when it stops applying to everything earthly, it (duh) stops applying to everything earthly, it has no bearing on life, it might as well not exist. True believers understand everything through religion. You can't not be connected to the community, to the soil, to nature. Calendar rites are an absolute necessity. Christmas and Easter are midwinter and spring celebrations respectively. Christians build and maintain awesome churches because they expect to be using these churches generations after generations.

I sperged about it recently in another thread -- what killed Christianity was the concept of the supernatural. Scientists of the Enlightenment were religious men, motivated by their faith to learn and honor God's creation. Newton was an alchemist for fuck's sake. He didn't view it as a separate pursuit, it was part of parcel of learning about the world. Spirit was no more abstract than heat or atoms.

Whereas the Romans regarded male chastity as profoundly unhealthy, Christians prized it and insisted on it.
This is a lie. Chastity, as in sexual propriety, only fucking your spouse, is expected in most civilized societies at their peak. Cooming is bad. A man should not be a slave to base instincts. Roman virtues: Pietas. Gravitas.
wikipedia said:
In Roman mythology, Clementia was the goddess of clemency, leniency, mercy, forgiveness, penance, redemption, absolution, acquittal and salvation.

She was defined as a celebrated virtue of Julius Caesar, who was famed for his forbearance, especially following Caesar's civil war with Pompey from 49 BC. In 44 BC, a temple was consecrated to her by the Roman Senate, possibly at Caesar's instigation as Caesar was keen to demonstrate that he had this virtue.
These are "Christian" virtues, espoused by Caesar half a century before the alleged birth of Christ!

Abstinence (not fucking anyone) on the other hand is a spiritual practice, also common to many religions. This marked you apart from the world, because an abstinent person would not reproduce. Western Christianity had flare-ups of totalitarian abstinence which had to be suppressed by the churches.

This presents a problem for feminism, because a prohibition on abortion places on women burdens that it does not place on men.
A prohibition on abortion was a demand of early Western feminism, as women were pushed toward abortion (then extremely dangerous) by men.

This is really the core problem here which most conclusively shows why this woman is dumb. She invokes the book The Case Against the Sexual Revolution but thinks a truly abortion-free world -- not one where abortion is simply banned but one where people actually aren't having abortions -- would burden the women! WRONG! The sexual revolution was a male psyop to ensure a supply of holes to fuck, once women didn't have to put out. These days, women (and men) are pushed toward abortion. Adult women and men, expected to have sexual relationships, are condemned for early parenthood by the supremacy of the coom. No abortion will mean no coom.

In October, Louis Roy of the Quebec College of Physicians told the Special Joint Committee on Medical Assistance in Dying that parents should be able to arrange the deaths of babies up to one year old who are deemed to have “very grave and severe syndromes.”
The problem with killing veggies isn't that killing veggies is bad, it's that it's a slippery slope, and Canada is already on that slope hurtling toward the bottom. People are already being pushed toward suicide and refused medical help. An infanticide law in Canada will have no bad consequences whatsoever because all possible bad consequences are already the law of the land.

Modern technologies such as ultrasound allow us to identify undesirable characteristics (for instance, female sex or Down syndrome)
I was confused by this and couldn't decide whether she was ironic or she did actually think tard babies were pwecious. After the above, I think the latter is true: the cunt is evil, she hates women and wants us miserable, abandoned by husbands and childless but for tards we're in lifetime servitude to.

This is exactly how Rome converted to Christianity, by the way. Early church leaders were bioleninist trash ("the meek") led by sympathetic Roman women and ambitious male would-be elites. Constantine was converted by his mom.
Yes! This is how Buddhism came to Japan. This is how Rasputin came to rule Russia until his assassination.
All religion is about power. Communism is a religion. Democracy is a religion. Troonism is a religion. The new elites removing the old is the same scenario playing out around the world since Akhenaten's failed coup.

edit: forgot to mention that the practice of killing or abandoning children due to poverty never went away with Christianity. In the story that eventually became Hansel and Gretel, the brothers Grimm had to editorialize and come up with an evil stepmother responsible for the children's abandonment, but the parents weren't necessarily evil in the original folktales, just poor and starving.
 
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She's utterly skitzo about it. She also says we're getting paganized, paganism is worship of strength, Christianity is worship of weakness. She's just rambling on devil weed cookies.
Paganised is the wrong word. But I get what she means - she means civilisation is going the wrong way
The sexual revolution was a male psyop to ensure a supply of holes to fuck, once women didn't have to put out. These days, women (and men) are pushed toward abortion. Adult women and men, expected to have sexual relationships, are condemned for early parenthood by the supremacy of the coom. No abortion will mean no coom.
I’ve heard in here a few times the idea that birth control could/should/might be under threat. Aside from the issues of the stuff being in the water supply, and such a ban being unworkable (prescribed for medical issues as well) the ‘less coom’ issue would knock such a ban dead.
Perhaps a more targeted idea would be that we are getting completely enslaved to our baser instincts - sexual degeneracy is now prized above child safety, both before, and after birth
 
"Christianity" = everything good
"Paganism" = everything bad

There you go, summed up the incredibly complex and highly developed belief system of the spiritual Semites in this thread.
 
Personally, that's probably the entire reason the Western world is collapsing right now: the superiority of the West in terms of mores, art, technology and science came from its fusion of Christianity and Greco-Roman ideals, not some special physical feature of white people (as Germanic and Celtic barbarians were basically violent pre-literate retards on par with the brown people a lot of people here hate). Take either one away and you devolve back into the third world, which is what is happening now. You can't have a sane society with progress without having a the firm moral code and spirituality of Christianity and scientific progress, which was enabled by considering nature to not be a god, but a window into God's mind. Mathematical genius Euler came up with the principle of least action (which governs all physical interactions) literally by coming to the conclusion that God optimizes some physical value in all physical interactions and also created the calculus of variations. Fr. Georges Lemaitre was inspired by the story of Genesis when theorizing about the Big Bang and doing all the prerequisite calculations. Even modern science came from Roger Bacon's and Robert Grossteste's reformulations of Aristotle's works in to a Christian context. Frankly, the less Christian the world gets, the worse off it will be.

I think there's some truth to this. The Romans were bright and all, but they were technologically shackled by their own reliance on slavery, much as the Old South was. Why invent a steam locomotive to haul things across the land when you can just order a bunch of slaves to do it? Virtually the only inventor who made slaves more efficient was Eli Whitney; nearly every other great mind of the Industrial Revolution was concerned with the labor of free men, whether employees earning wages, or yeoman farmers whose living came from their own sweat.

I expect to see the West to become full-on pagan eventually, complete with enchanted totems and mystical oracles living in the forest. The world of technology, rationalism, and science is fundamentally masculine, a world of men that only admitted few women who could work at our level, and it is currently in a death struggle with female emotionalism and mysticism that it appears to be losing. The peak of secular rationalism was in the 1960s. We are now squandering its inheritance, building technologies on the shoulders of the giants of the past, while simultaneously refashioning our institutions to do these cargo cult dances around non-achieving minorities and women, solely because the empowered female voters who make politicians dance for them demand a feels-based regime where we have to pretend that sharing, taking turns, and always giving the class retard a turn will get us to Mars.

Equality, taking turns, and making sure nobody's feelings ever get hurt are relentlessly attacking us, turning scientific values upside-down, demanding that we must value an accomplishment only if it was done in a way that is fair to women, negroes, and homosexuals. We are increasingly seeing demands that we take ludicrous nonsense like astrology, tarot, and witchcraft seriously, because women like it, and openly talking about how fucking stupid it is makes women feel bad. And, why not? We have to pretend a man in a dress is a woman, because doing otherwise hurts his feelings, and the nattering handmaiden that surround him nag and peck and squawk when told that someone's feelings are being hurt. We haven't even gotten to Mars yet, and feminized whiners are already crying that when we do it, we probably won't bring any negroes there.

We often think a man who raises another man's son is a cuck, emasculated.

Only in internet manosphere faggotry, not real life.
 
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