Warhammer 40k

[MaskedHussar11]

Abnett would supremely fuck it all up by shoehorning in his hamfisted abomination of a "concept" and further twist the Emperor into a drooling egoist retard

>Acting like ADB wouldn't also make fucking Horus look like a saintly misunderstood gud boi, and the Emperor a soulless automaton.

30k is pretty cringe in general desu. I liked it better when The Heresy what just that. THE Heresy. A mythic war which lead to the downfall of humanity and the Emperor. We had a general outline of what happened, we knew the players, some of the big events, like Calth, the burning of Prospero, the Siege of Terra and the Duel aboard the Vengeful Spirit. But most of it was lost to time, like so much history in the 41st millennium. It was the lesser sons of a bygone era holding on the the scraps of what their fathers had conquered, with out knowing the full history of what had happened outside of tradition. Now it's just a reason for BL authors to warp the canon, and go 'hwell, ackthcully" while giving handjobs to their favorite legions.

Maybe I'm just an autist, IDK.

Edit: Also, who the fuck is Erda? The only thing I've seen on her is that apparently she means that there can be female SM now? Granted thats from a fucking Sigmarxism thread, so a fucking mines worth of salt there.

 

[Salt_Merchant]

I heard that ADB is going to write the final showdown between the Emperor and Horus, can anyone confirm this?

the real swerve is they are bringing in CS goto for one last novel.

 

[MaskedHussar11]

the real swerve is they are bringing in CS goto for one last novel.

Breaking News: The last fucking Eldar Player on the planet commits violent suicide. He left a note saying, "Not again. Never again."

 

[Lord High Admiral Spire]

Edit: Also, who the fuck is Erda? The only thing I've seen on her is that apparently she means that there can be female SM now? Granted thats from a fucking Sigmarxism thread, so a fucking mines worth of salt there.

Erda is basically the (never before mentioned or foreshadowed) Mary Sue mother of the Primarchs, who reveals that no, the Emperor's plans aren't to shepherd humanity into a psychic race, but he wants to turn everybody into a perpetual. She also says that the Great Crusade isn't a desperate bloodbath to unite humanity against the multitudinous, aggressive alien civilizations surrounding it, to stop the Orks from increasing to unmanageable numbers, and to stop the universe from collapsing into a dimension made of rape and lemon juice, no, it's the evil, warmongering Emperor getting fed-up with being patient to convert the human race into Perpetuals, retconning decades of lore that even cunts like Laurie Goulding had the sense to follow, all so Dan can shoehorn in his facetious, faggotistic 'perpetuals' into the greater setting.

I honestly didn't mind the perpetuals until now, sure they were obnoxious and ultimately unnecessary, and IDGAF about them, but they weren't the shitty overhaul to such a core tenet of the setting (why the Emperor embarked on the Great Crusade: humanity was at genuine risk of extinction) that Erda is.

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

Red pill me on 40k, all I know are the space marines worship a corpse and humanity, there are orcs that have a completely different tone, and there are other space marines that are basically mega christians that'll kill anything they deem heresy. And that it's basically space dnd.

If you aren't hooked by the end of this:

This:

This:

This:

This:

Or this:

Then, I don't know what to tell you.

Also, here is a bonus one for @Love_Machine011:

 

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Edit: Also, who the fuck is Erda? The only thing I've seen on her is that apparently she means that there can be female SM now? Granted thats from a fucking Sigmarxism thread, so a fucking mines worth of salt there.

Sigmarxism going "this means female space marines are canon" is the same as a Tumblrina going "THIS MEANS THEY'RE TRANS!" Hopefully it means fuck all.

Erda - Warhammer 40k - Lexicanum

wh40k.lexicanum.com

Character from Saturnine, the 4th SoT novel.

Apparently, she's the retcon that the Space Marines weren't created by the Emperor, he needed the help of a strong independent wamyn who don't need no emperor. Specifically, he needed her DNA, making her the mother to the Primarchs, whereas the Emperor is the father. Who is a perpetual and thus immortal and can show up in 40k proper to create female space marines, or somesuch. Reeks of Mary Sue bullshit. Edit: Apparently it's Dan Abnett trying to push his stupid fucking Perpetuals via retcons. Great.

Edit 2: Oh god, they're not going to turn all the Primarchs into perpetuals? Or the Custodes, right?

I had heard the character and concept mentioned before, both here and with the "Amar Astarte" character who the Emperor needed to make the black carapace. It seems to be their new hivemind approved retcon -- that the Emperor couldn't have done what he did without wammynx, who he promptly fucked over.

And yeah, it's leaving open a lore possibility for female space marines or ... oh god.... the two missing primarchs being spirited away by her, which would be why the Emperor blacklisted all mention of them.

Christ almighty, if GW cucks...

 

[Ass eating cunt]

If you aren't hooked by the end of this:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=nKMdHfOC7VQ
This:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=O7hgjuFfn3A
This:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=x9wV2sGlXjY
This:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=HUifqOiERsY
This:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=oCKXd_zlQU4
Or this:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=wogleLdPk38
Then, I don't know what to tell you.

Also, here is a bonus one for @Love_Machine011:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=6kihIexKXJA

Looks based as fuck, is there any digital alternatives to playing the main game?

 

[Love Machine]

Sigmarxism going "this means female space marines are canon" is the same as a Tumblrina going "THIS MEANS THEY'RE TRANS!" Hopefully it means fuck all.

Erda - Warhammer 40k - Lexicanum

wh40k.lexicanum.com

Character from Saturnine, the 4th SoT novel.

Apparently, she's the retcon that the Space Marines weren't created by the Emperor, he needed the help of a strong independent wamyn who don't need no emperor. Specifically, he needed her DNA, making her the mother to the Primarchs, whereas the Emperor is the father. Who is a perpetual and thus immortal and can show up in 40k proper to create female space marines, or somesuch. Reeks of Mary Sue bullshit. Edit: Apparently it's Dan Abnett trying to push his stupid fucking Perpetuals via retcons. Great.

Edit 2: Oh god, they're not going to turn all the Primarchs into perpetuals? Or the Custodes, right?

I had heard the character and concept mentioned before, both here and with the "Amar Astarte" character who the Emperor needed to make the black carapace. It seems to be their new hivemind approved retcon -- that the Emperor couldn't have done what he did without wammynx, who he promptly fucked over.

And yeah, it's leaving open a lore possibility for female space marines or ... oh god.... the two missing primarchs being spirited away by her, which would be why the Emperor blacklisted all mention of them.

Christ almighty, if GW cucks...

The mother of the Primarchs and Space marines was Amar Astarte, from the Constantine Valdor Primarch series novel. What Abnett is doing with grammaticus and perpetual meme (haha get it) is what he always does. He sets stakes that feel like they matter, but dont actually. Happened in the Eisenhorn Trilogy, The Ravenor Trilogy, and a lot of GG stuff. ADB is who you need to watch out for because his chaos favoritism blinds him to the point where he honestly admits that in his head chaos "wins" 40k. He also wrote Master Of Mankind, which is all you really need to know.

 

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The mother of the Primarchs and Space marines was Amar Astarte, from the Constantine Valdor Primarch series novel. What Abnett is doing with grammaticus and perpetual meme (haha get it) is what he always does. He sets stakes that feel like they matter, but dont actually. Happened in the Eisenhorn Trilogy, The Ravenor Trilogy, and a lot of GG stuff. ADB is who you need to watch out for because his chaos favoritism blinds him to the point where he honestly admits that in his head chaos "wins" 40k. He also wrote Master Of Mankind, which is all you really need to know.

Nope, now the mother is Erda. Amar is the... other mother? Or something.

I suspect the BL guys have ascended past the need for editors, is the ultimate thing here. Which is about the time real stupid shit starts getting shoved into any established universe.

 

[iceteayo]

I hope to fucking hell it isn't Dan Abnett.

I can't say anything for the other guys, but Abnett would supremely fuck it all up by shoehorning in his hamfisted abomination of a "concept" and further twist the Emperor into a drooling egoist retard, and probably include another unnecessary retcon of lore.

Dear God, what was that asshole smoking when he wrote Erda?

Abnett has this odd thing where he seemingly cannot write good space marine stories.

 

[Polyboros2]

Abnett has this odd thing where he seemingly cannot write good space marine stories.

I enjoyed Brotherhood of the Snake. It's nothing stand out, but worth a read.

 

[Snekposter]

Well, except for the scene where the Iron Sneks go all 300 on a giant horde of Orks (who fortunately and conveniently have no ranged weapons to speak of) and the grumpy-as-fuck Ven Dread who shittalks the Chapter Master and his assembled advisors to their faces.
"Venerable Autolochus, you're awake!"
"Noise you lot make, its hard to sleep."

 

[Lord High Admiral Spire]

God, why the hell did Dan Abnett spontaneously turn into a brainless faggot all of a sudden? Was it something to do with his hospital visit?

 

[Imperial Citizen]

While on the topic of lore questions, does Adeptus Mechanicus have a consistent policy on technological innovation and scientific culture? I read some scattered novels and short stories, and it seems like it varies a lot from case to case and subject to the needs of the plot whether basic stuff like the scientific method is considered permissible or even conceivable, or whether it's rote-repetition or rediscovery of ancient knowledge with no practical understanding of the underlying principles, or whether it's full-on mad scientist shenanigans powered by advanced research programs and highly knowledgeable savants.

Also, are there any recognizable relics or artifacts or references to present day human civilization that have survived into the far future? Something like in Dune, where a Van Gogh painting survives into the far future.

I remember in ADB's The Emperor's Gift, a grey knight references the Declaration of Independence with the saying "all men are created equal". He says that it was written by a council of Merican kings, and considers the phrase laughable, as it is self-evident in the 41st millennium that all humans are not equal.

In the first Bequin novel, Bequin finds ancient Terran toy rocket with the letter CCCP written on it and nobody knows what those letters mean.

Sigmarxism going "this means female space marines are canon" is the same as a Tumblrina going "THIS MEANS THEY'RE TRANS!" Hopefully it means fuck all.

Erda - Warhammer 40k - Lexicanum

wh40k.lexicanum.com

Character from Saturnine, the 4th SoT novel.

Apparently, she's the retcon that the Space Marines weren't created by the Emperor, he needed the help of a strong independent wamyn who don't need no emperor. Specifically, he needed her DNA, making her the mother to the Primarchs, whereas the Emperor is the father. Who is a perpetual and thus immortal and can show up in 40k proper to create female space marines, or somesuch. Reeks of Mary Sue bullshit. Edit: Apparently it's Dan Abnett trying to push his stupid fucking Perpetuals via retcons. Great.

Edit 2: Oh god, they're not going to turn all the Primarchs into perpetuals? Or the Custodes, right?

I had heard the character and concept mentioned before, both here and with the "Amar Astarte" character who the Emperor needed to make the black carapace. It seems to be their new hivemind approved retcon -- that the Emperor couldn't have done what he did without wammynx, who he promptly fucked over.

And yeah, it's leaving open a lore possibility for female space marines or ... oh god.... the two missing primarchs being spirited away by her, which would be why the Emperor blacklisted all mention of them.

Christ almighty, if GW cucks...

While Erda's introduction into the story is bullshit, I can at least see why she would be involved. The Emperor would need egg cells along with his sperm cells in order to make the human beings which would become the Primarchs. And I don't believe her inclusion in the story can at all imply that she can make female space marines. The Emperor deliberately made the Primarchs all male and nothing implies that Erda can make space marines.

And with Amar Astarte, I still don't see that as emasculating the Emperor. What's more believable, that the Emperor is this super genius that can design super soldiers, develop all their technology, but couldn't see that some of his sons were being manipulated by the chaos gods, or that the Emperor is a charismatic leader that was able to convince people to join his cause and develop his space marine project? Remember that the Emperor is not the God-Emperor. For all his power, he is still human, and prone to acting like humans do.

 

[Lord High Admiral Spire]

They could have just had the Mother of the Primarchs be Alivia Sureka; Erda is basically a depthless, Mary-Sueified rip-off of Sureka, after all.

 

[MaskedHussar11]

While Erda's introduction into the story is bullshit, I can at least see why she would be involved. The Emperor would need egg cells along with his sperm cells in order to make the human beings which would become the Primarchs. And I don't believe her inclusion in the story can at all imply that she can make female space marines. The Emperor deliberately made the Primarchs all male and nothing implies that Erda can make space marines.

And with Amar Astarte, I still don't see that as emasculating the Emperor. What's more believable, that the Emperor is this super genius that can design super soldiers, develop all their technology, but couldn't see that some of his sons were being manipulated by the chaos gods, or that the Emperor is a charismatic leader that was able to convince people to join his cause and develop his space marine project? Remember that the Emperor is not the God-Emperor. For all his power, he is still human, and prone to acting like humans do.

They could have just had the Mother of the Primarchs be Alivia Sureka; Erda is basically a depthless, Mary-Sueified rip-off of Sureka, after all.

Even then, the established lore was that the Primarchs were something not wholly natural, as Big E had to swindle the Chaos gods to make them, and by extension the Space Marines. Maybe it just my head canon getting fucked with, but I always interpreted this as he needed the warp to make them work period. If all he needed was the egg cells what the fuck was the point of getting the Chaos gods involved, did he need to make them even more chad then his near god like genes and genetic engineering could already do?

As for smart chicks helping Emps out, that I can totally believe, but every time someone trys to give the Primarchs a mom, I die a little inside.

 

[Lord High Admiral Spire]

Even then, the established lore was that the Primarchs were something not wholly natural, as Big E had to swindle the Chaos gods to make them, and by extension the Space Marines. Maybe it just my head canon getting fucked with, but I always interpreted this as he needed the warp to make them work period. If all he needed was the egg cells what the fuck was the point of getting the Chaos gods involved, did he need to make them even more chad then his near god like genes and genetic engineering could already do?

Let's be very clear: the claim that the Emperor made a bargain with the Chaos Gods comes from a very dubious source, the same one that provoked Horus into rebelling against the Emperor by lying to him. They could very well have been lying in order to make the Emperor look worse to Horus.

 

[MaskedHussar11]

Let's be very clear: the claim that the Emperor made a bargain with the Chaos Gods comes from a very dubious source, the same one that provoked Horus into rebelling against the Emperor by lying to him. They could very well have been lying in order to make the Emperor look worse to Horus.

Fair enough.

 

[Love Machine]

Let's be very clear: the claim that the Emperor made a bargain with the Chaos Gods comes from a very dubious source, the same one that provoked Horus into rebelling against the Emperor by lying to him. They could very well have been lying in order to make the Emperor look worse to Horus.

Fair enough.

In the valdor novel the pods of the primarchs where described to have a bunch of runes and shit on them. So while not necessarily having dealt with the chaos gods. Big E did 100% use some warp shenanigans on them. Take that for what you will.

 

[Lord High Admiral Spire]

In the valdor novel the pods of the primarchs where described to have a bunch of runes and shit on them. So while not necessarily having dealt with the chaos gods. Big E did 100% use some warp shenanigans on them. Take that for what you will.

It could just be hexagrammic wards and the like, to keep warp entities from manifesting and thickening the veil between the Immaterium and reality.