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wtfNeedSignUp said:
Best story I have read of them is them taking over a loyalist chapter from within over several years with the chapter master learning of it when it happens.
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They've done that a few times iirc. All Ultramarine successors, coincidentally.
Humble Architect said:
Pedo guard legion
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Adult women are children, apparently.
Humble Architect said:
ruining the Alpha Legion
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There it is. Everytime Legion is brought up anywhere, this is always said.
What part of them was ruined with Legion? Or do you just not like the "I am Alpharius" gimmick? Because everytime someone whines about the Alpha Legion being "ruined", that's the only thing anyone can actually point to. And even then, what's the actual issue with it? They've got so few stories, comparatively, that it really doesn't overstay its welcome there. Fans ran it into the ground and dont understand it, sure, but you can say the same about shovels and ork imagination.

Seems to me that people just don't like the XXth because they aren't straightforward like literally every other legion and chapter. Before Legion they were just generic black ops/subterfuge guys. Y'know, the thing the Raven Guard could do just as well if not better because of their stealth hax.
 
Rick The Stick said:
They've done that a few times iirc. All Ultramarine successors, coincidentally.

Adult women are children, apparently.

There it is. Everytime Legion is brought up anywhere, this is always said.
What part of them was ruined with Legion? Or do you just not like the "I am Alpharius" gimmick? Because everytime someone whines about the Alpha Legion being "ruined", that's the only thing anyone can actually point to. And even then, what's the actual issue with it? They've got so few stories, comparatively, that it really doesn't overstay its welcome there. Fans ran it into the ground and dont understand it, sure, but you can say the same about shovels and ork imagination.

Seems to me that people just don't like the XXth because they aren't straightforward like literally every other legion and chapter. Before Legion they were just generic black ops/subterfuge guys. Y'know, the thing the Raven Guard could do just as well if not better because of their stealth hax.
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That’s a lot of words, it’s such a shame I’m not reading them.
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Book sucks, not everything needs to be explained because the explanations aren’t that good cause Abnett is a hack fraud.
 
Rick The Stick said:
Adult women are children
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Correct.

The biggest problem with AL is that theyre written by retards so their "subterfuge" and 10,000 IQ falls flat. Its just a problem of the writers themselves not being 10,000 IQ and not putting thought into how an intelligent factions would function.
 
Humble Architect said:
Book sucks, not everything needs to be explained because the explanations aren’t that good cause Abnett is a hack fraud.
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He definitely needs to be pulled in and slapped around a bit for some of his work. Early stuff was good and concise and not excessive and then as it drags on you can feel his own ego creep into things. Gaunt’s Ghost is good example because the first 3 books are kino and concise, The Saint you can feel it build up but still workable, The Lost just dragged on, and by the Victory it was too much and he was pulling shit out of his ass that made no sense just for Grimdark. And let’s not get into End and the Death. 3 parts that were just words words words. We get it. And the card fight. People justify it as 2 gods fighting would be difficult to explain and it’s how it would be perceived but we just read these books for the dumb fights.

I’m loathe to see how boring and long things will be with Gaunt as practically Warmaster and Tanith just as an honor guard if he does another series.
 
AncientPhosphur said:
I’m loathe to see how boring and long things will be with Gaunt as practically Warmaster and Tanith just as an honor guard if he does another series.
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I would actually love a book that was imperial high command managing a campaign. It'd be interesting to get a book where the perspective is mostly around the logistical/tactical/political considerations instead of front line troops in the trenches.

Something like Napoleon or Eisenhower would be kinda sick if done right.

Just not by Abnett.
 
The remembrancers were pretty genius from what I remember. Especially when they all get setup for a mass slaughter. Haven't read nearly enough of the rest of the Heresy to judge.

Because I've been too busy following the path of the greater good.

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I have read the Einsenhorn-y trilogy. It's a good trilogy, although it was written way before the setting ended up becoming too stupid, so the trilogy features plausible worlds and depicts the Inquisitors as secret police more than anything else... Except for the Hereticus ones, who are all evil, stupid, or both. The characters don't change much, and in the final book, there's a massive bloodbath to set up the character to become a Radical, which felt forced as hell. Also, daemonhosts here are OP enough to kill off Chaos Titans (although it leaves them very weak), which I thought to be a bit silly.
Still, it's an okay trilogy. Haven't read the Ravenor ones yet.
 
AncientPhosphur said:
I’m loathe to see how boring and long things will be with Gaunt as practically Warmaster and Tanith just as an honor guard if he does another series.
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We'll follow around other characters getting in the shit, with things going wrong and Gaunt saying "fuck it I'll do it myself" near the end and telling his Tempestus Scion guards to shut up about it.

There will also be a new Ghost that shits his pants at the sight of one of the highest ranking officers in the Imperium coming by the regimental camp to just chill, with an old timer in the background folding his arms and smiling as he watches it unfold.
 
Newcomer 42 said:
Also, daemonhosts here are OP enough to kill off Chaos Titans (although it leaves them very weak), which I thought to be a bit silly.
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As you read through the series, be sure to read the short stories taking place in-between the novels. Some of them show exactly how absurdly OP Eisenhorn became because of his demonic shenanigans.

He murders a chaos dreadnought like it's an afterthought lmao
 
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Slurgle said:
We'll follow around other characters getting in the shit, with things going wrong and Gaunt saying "fuck it I'll do it myself" near the end and telling his Tempestus Scion guards to shut up about it.

There will also be a new Ghost that shits his pants at the sight of one of the highest ranking officers in the Imperium coming by the regimental camp to just chill, with an old timer in the background folding his arms and smiling as he watches it unfold.
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More like Gaunt is burdened by his duties. Side plot with Rawne back to doing crime because he’s bored and part of the honor guard drives him insane. Some side plot about PTSD. Everyone copes about losing some famous Ghosts, Criid copes with her issues but rah rah female power as a soldier! Chaos does something that involves Tanith having to fight. It keeps escalating until Abnett’s plot device summons some unspeakable horror out of nowhere that Gaunt has to fight. Random famous ghost dies. Mkoll comes out of no where to single-handedly stop an entire heretic astartes deployment and several greater daemons.
 
Long having been previously aware of the twins twist, I don't have any strong opinion about the novel Legion aside that I can agree that its presented reason the Alpha Legion going traitor via the Cabal seems unconvincing. And GW might have agreed and subsequently undid that in similar manner as the demonic possession in the novel Fulgrim.

But while I haven't read any 40k Alpha Legion stories to be familiar with their characterization in that era, my assessment is that they went traitor in the Horus Heresy because they're just so autistically obsessed with subterfuge and decentralized organization that they got lost in the sauce and don't even know (or care) what they're fighting for. With this in mind, their designation as a traitor/Chaos legion makes sense, and I point to The Serpent Beneath (from the anthology The Primarchs) as the best Alpha Legion story.
 
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