GW throws them into the setting because they look like guard vehicles, don't bother to give any explanation as to their origins, and hand wave away any questions about them.
IFV/half tracks/etc have existed in the lore forever. The idea that the Guard have infantry transports is so simple that needing more than the most basic of lore blurb for a particular pattern seems autistic.
They've been in the Gaunt's Ghosts books for ages and have appeared in different forms and names all over Guard lore.
Sure, some basic stuff like forge world/etc wouldn't be the worst, but I genuinely can't understand how the existence of an IFV is the straw that broke the camels back for loretubers.
Is he going to bitch and moan about how ground cars don't have established brands in lore? Because those have also existed in lore the entire time. There's been one off, unnamed, or generic vehicles in the Imperium forever.
You can complain that the 'vibe' of the model is off, but caring that they're establishing where/how an IFV is being being fielded by the Guard feels nitpicky just to have something to hand wringe about.
A reminder that Marines are only bleeding hearts for >loyal< citzens, if they are told that an illegal immigrant is a criminal, and thus a traitor to their Emperor's mandated duty, them they would rip them apart with their bare hands.
The Salamander's 3rd Brotherhood would incinerate a thousand illegals before they lift a finger against an Enforcer.
What's funny is that there were already Imperial IFVs in 40K. The Crassus, Razorback, and Repulsor to name a few.
The Land Raider could be considered an IFV as well.
IFV/half tracks/etc have existed in the lore forever. The idea that the Guard have infantry transports is so simple that needing more than the most basic of lore blurb for a particular pattern seems autistic.
They've been in the Gaunt's Ghosts books for ages and have appeared in different forms and names all over Guard lore.
Sure, some basic stuff like forge world/etc wouldn't be the worst, but I genuinely can't understand how the existence of an IFV is the straw that broke the camels back for loretubers.
Is he going to bitch and moan about how ground cars don't have established brands in lore? Because those have also existed in lore the entire time. There's been one off, unnamed, or generic vehicles in the Imperium forever.
You can complain that the 'vibe' of the model is off, but caring that they're establishing where/how an IFV is being being fielded by the Guard feels nitpicky just to have something to hand wringe about.
Random vehicles were added to specialist games like Epic (probably dozens of examples here alone) and mentioned in books, its also just a basic scout car and light transport similar to the also special snowflake Centaur, Gorgon et al the Kriegers use, I suppose those had the flair and fluff of an entire FW campaign to wank them off but out of all the things to complain about nu-40k lore, getting angry that the Briton Jews at GW are just selling you an upscaled/downscaled WW2 half-track and Scout Car is kinda precious
On one hand a two sentence blurb would at least be nice, even if it would just be 'the guard use half tracks in motorized infantry units'. Where they get them from isn't even worth bringing up.
If the Guard get a new mainline tank or other 'large' vehicle, then sure give us some background.
But the fucking PDF have half tracks in the lore, they just don't get specific names the same way 'the ammo was transported in a truck to the front' doesn't merit a deep dive.
The IFV could use a blurb or technical block just for speed/armament/etc but I genuinely assume that's a thing that exists just as part of the rules of the unit or will be mentioned whenever the next edition codex comes out.
Why does Luetin think that the origin of these vehicles matters when "canonicity isn't a thing in 40k"? Why isn't it enough to see that the vehicles fit the vibes of IG and just assume they came from some forge world or something? Why is this any worse than the previous ret-cons? How does Luetin not see how his very attitude leads to this shit happening?
(These are rhetorical questions. The answer is because he's a shill and a hack.)
But it should be no surprise that GW stopped caring about fitting new additions into the setting when the loudest and most prominent voices in the lore sphere will actively tell-off anybody who demands some level of consistency. "Vibe worldbuilding is great and awesome and how dare you not like it no wait GW you're doing it wrong."
Fuck these youtubers man. It's all so tiresome.
Side note, Luetin says that people who take his "no canon" line as meaning that there is no canon aren't sincerely engaging with his point, then not ten seconds later says that yes he does mean there's no canon but only kinda. That probably made me want to write this rant more than anything else.
And that's why I thought the whole thing was so hilariously stupid. Some vehicle variant is nowhere near as big a change in the lore as femstodes, or Cawl and a large portion of the mechanicus deciding to start using science and experimenting. His opinion about the shit has less consistency than GW's lore about their own setting.
Doing Son of The Forest cause I figured I should probably actually read the thing.
I've seen all the memes, but it really is funny how the Lion is just fuckin baffled at getting old. His character growth is nice and all, I like Old Man El' Johnson quite a bit, but it's the interactions with the Fallen I'm liking the most. The angle of them, mostly, being genuinely wayward and desperate for a chance to come back to their brothers is pretty nice. They aren't even that resentful of their situation. It sucks, yeah, but at the end of the day they'd probably do the same as their modern brothers. The ones who do hold a grudge, well that's their problem. On both sides.
I also like how these Fallen have "quirks" from being on their own or in super tiny squads for so long. One dude refuses to take his armor off to the extent he won't even eat together with his 2 buddies, which makes sharing the tiny space they occupy an extreme hassle. Not to mention the trouble it puts them in with staying low profile and securing what they need. But they put up with it anyway cause they're brothers and in it together. And the others basically just don't act like stoic autists.
Good shit.
I think this book also has one of the only explicit mentions of Cataphractii armor in the modern setting I can remember seeing. The Fallen Zabriel is going to meet a couple other fellas to hopefully bring them into the fold, and one them is an OG Knight Cenonbium. Neato. Usually you just get "relic" plate or "ancient terminator armor". And that could mean just a fancy suit of Indomitus or an old one to Cataphractii or even Tartaros.
Barabas Dantioch gets a shout out, too, which is always nice.
Also to my understanding SCT's are generally a thing for very advanced DAOT stuff. The AdMech has no issue making modifications to say, the lasgun, so it has a billion different variants. They know how to make a truck and tracked vehicles, merging the two isn't inconceivable to them.
God I hate lore channels. Someone mentioned this video to me and I checked out the first quarter of it or so, but it's kinda funny in a way. Not worth watching, I'll provide a summary. https://youtube.com/watch?v=LW6q9AexPlwDidn't care about Primaris and everything tied to Cawl
Didn't care about the Rogal Dorn tank
Didn't care about an entire class of imperial knights popping into existence
Didn't care about femstodes
Now that guard got more than one new vehicle in a wave without any lore, suddenly it's the silent death of the STC and GW just releases anything they want without any consideration for the lore. All while seemingly ignoring that in current lore(and this is a fucking lore channel) there are more and more admech magos(magii? you know wtf I mean) openly experimenting and doing science due to Cawl's influence leading to a rift between admech forgeworlds regarding science and xenos tech and what to do about the hereteks. But this, this is now his line in the sand, a couple of IFVs for guard is what has him complaining about canon and dropping specific dates in modern lore(this has been happening for years). He even goes back to old issues of WD from 30 years ago to complain about some articles that went over how to kitbash ww2 models into 40 vehicles and how even then GW didn't talk about STCs or whatever.
It's just funny hearing a guy like this finally realize that GW has been shit about this for decades.
edit: Oh right, I forgot about the beginning of the video and his apology. Apparently although he gives so much of a shit about a couple new guard vehicles, I guess he got called out in the comments of a previous video for complaining about the names of them while forgetting that guard already has the manticore, hydra, chimera, etc. as if there wasn't already a precedent for using mythological creatures as names.
Thats such an odd thing to complain about especially when he went back to the old WD, like really 2 Guard Vehicles that look too WW2? Would he have really made this video if Forge World made these?
Also the Imperial Knight shit is a different can of worms. There are like way more Titan variants that have been offhandedly mentioned and is probably used to retrofit future releases. The whole STC argument used to be a major thing back right before 8th edition and Primaris especially with the creation of Space marine centurions. You can argue the appeal and rarity of STCs is what made people love 40k but GWs been doing this for years where theyll say "yeah erm we found the stc heres something new" to now its "We had cawl approve some designs have fun"
How anal-retentive the AdMech are with "deviations" of tech vary, and if you're a Magos you can get away with a lot of stuff. Many new vehicles used to be STC stuff conveniently found somewhere, as telling the truth would be a political mess. Then Cawl came and tore the setting apart.
I found it lulzy that the Admech's armies have disintegrator beams, plasma cannons, cyborgs of all types and such, yet they can't figure out what to do with the walkers they have, afraid they won't be able to restart the thing if they shut it down, despite having dozens of those to experiment with.
How anal-retentive the AdMech are with "deviations" of tech vary, and if you're a Magos you can get away with a lot of stuff. Many new vehicles used to be STC stuff conveniently found somewhere, as telling the truth would be a political mess. Then Cawl came and tore the setting apart.
I found it lovely that the Admech's armies have disintegrator beams, plasma cannons, cyborgs of all types and such, yet they can't figure out what to do with the walkers they have, afraid they won't be able to restart the thing if they shut it down, despite having dozens of those to experiment with.
Hmm I could have sworn they got insanely pissed over the idea of welding a Whirlwind launcher to a landraider but I dont have the IA book and lexicanum doesnt mention it.
Rulebooks presented STCs as the sum of all human knowledge, from the smallest bolt to a Mechanivore. The thing is, people used to either build only what they needed or make simplified copies. With time, all that remained were jury-rigged copies of copies, which is why STCs normally found only got the plants for a single vehicle or weapon.
Novels made it messy because in Archmagos Cawl basically say they were only shit stuff for colonies and the actual good DAOT stuff was never in the STC, likely a result of BL writers being unable to not write a DAOT super duper weapon every 10 books.
The thing with the Admech is that they claim that everything that could be built by mankind was already been invented, so all you can do is rediscover stuff. The Admech makes stuff all the time, when Ryza was invaded by Orks they made spiderbots and tactical Virus Bombs. Multiple ship class were custom made at the request of the Navy or Rogue Traders.
However, the Admech, more than any other faction, trives on hoarding, if you are the only Magos who got an antimatter shotgun, you will be the only one paid to build more. So when someone dies, or a forge is destroyed, knowledge is lost, a specific Imperial Knight las weapon, for example, was lost 3 times because only one forge would keep the STC, which gets looted by Chaos and Orks.
Valrak says he's received official confirmation that he was blacklisted by GW.
Maybe controversial opinion, but Valrak is among the few 40k-tubers I find tolerable.
The fact that he actually makes GW angry sometimes and reports credible rumors often enough to have credibility himself mean he is more principled than most others in the sphere.
