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I think GW has been slowly changing slaanesh from a sexual degenerate daemon recently but I don't know the old editions enough to know if that whole idea was mainly just shitpots poking fun at people who play slaanesh deamons and EC.
The newest daemon codex gave an example of a world falling to each of the four and iirc the slaanesh one didn't fall because of some murder fuck orgy but the desire to be the perfect imperial world and to emulate the space marine chapter (think it was the smurfs) that saved them.
I just hope GW is smart enough to know that updating the setting "for modern audiences" in their quest for mainstream appeal will be a poison pill. Part of the reason 40k is seeing a surge in interest is because there is an absolute void of unapologetically violent "dude bro" schlock in modern entertainment. People don't want The Terminator to talk about his feelings and his new window drapes. (Yes, that is a thing that happened). Sometimes we just want to watch some full impact violence.
 
I think GW has been slowly changing slaanesh from a sexual degenerate daemon recently but I don't know the old editions enough to know if that whole idea was mainly just shitpots poking fun at people who play slaanesh deamons and EC.
The newest daemon codex gave an example of a world falling to each of the four and iirc the slaanesh one didn't fall because of some murder fuck orgy but the desire to be the perfect imperial world and to emulate the space marine chapter (think it was the smurfs) that saved them.
Slaanesh being about sex has always been exaggerated by fans. The most explicit GW gets is how much daemon nipples they show on models. Emperor's Children debauchery in particular is more about pain and violence.
 
I think GW has been slowly changing slaanesh from a sexual degenerate daemon recently but I don't know the old editions enough to know if that whole idea was mainly just shitpots poking fun at people who play slaanesh deamons and EC.
The newest daemon codex gave an example of a world falling to each of the four and iirc the slaanesh one didn't fall because of some murder fuck orgy but the desire to be the perfect imperial world and to emulate the space marine chapter (think it was the smurfs) that saved them.
The Slaanesh range has expanded beyond being Hellraiser with more tits. They’ve always had excess of sound with the noise marines and the theme of perfectionism and polish was present.

The Hedonite range has explored gluttony with a centerpiece model of a fat guy on a palanquin cursed with hunger for the most unique cuisine. The rest of the line depicts a kind of Persian decadence. Silks, fine jewelry, piercings, and showing a lot of skin.
 
Slannesh being represented by the seven deadly sins makes sense. Only one I would argue is wrath being Khorne's domain, but you could counter-argue that's where the sadomasochism comes in. That being said, the continued weening of the whole sex, drugs and rock & roll parts of Slannesh in 40k has been my issue with the series since I got into it in 5th edition.
 
I just hope GW is smart enough to know that updating the setting "for modern audiences" in their quest for mainstream appeal will be a poison pill. Part of the reason 40k is seeing a surge in interest is because there is an absolute void of unapologetically violent "dude bro" schlock in modern entertainment. People don't want The Terminator to talk about his feelings and his new window drapes. (Yes, that is a thing that happened). Sometimes we just want to watch some full impact violence.
didn't GW try that by replacing slaanesh with the horned rat in fantasy and finding first hand that was a horrible fucking idea or was the backlash still mainly from people ass mad over everything about the end times and 1st edition AoS.
 
didn't GW try that by replacing slaanesh with the horned rat in fantasy and finding first hand that was a horrible fucking idea or was the backlash still mainly from people ass mad over everything about the end times and 1st edition AoS.
No. What happened is that GW started AoS by saying that Slaanesh was missing and that while the Horned Rat tried to take his place, none of the other gods view him as legitimate.

Later it is revealed that Teclis, Tyrion, Morathi, and Malerion (trademarkable name for Malekith now that he fused with his dragon, Seraphon) managed to trap Slaanesh while he was in a food coma from dining on elf souls. They put him in between the realms of light and shadow, Hysh and Ulgu, respectively. Slaanesh was bound with magical chains and had elf souls siphoned from him to create the new aelven factions of AoS.

Slaanesh has been subtly weakening the chains over time but his followers don’t know it. Some have continued to rampage in his name like always. Others are desperately searching for him. And some have said “fuck it, I’m Slaanesh now”, believing they can become the god of excess because nobody does egotistical vanity like a follower of Slaanesh.
 
I just hope GW is smart enough to know that updating the setting "for modern audiences" in their quest for mainstream appeal will be a poison pill. Part of the reason 40k is seeing a surge in interest is because there is an absolute void of unapologetically violent "dude bro" schlock in modern entertainment. People don't want The Terminator to talk about his feelings and his new window drapes. (Yes, that is a thing that happened). Sometimes we just want to watch some full impact violence.
I feel like it's a question of when it'll be pozzed, not if.

Even in the first few HH novels, I thought the parts about the remembrancers were boring. I don't care about the normal humans, I'm here for the Imperium's roided-up gigachad jocks.
 
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Could the Imperium make waifu marines for coomers? Sure, Primaris opened that box of Pandora's.

Would it? It has no reason to in universe.

The entire premise would be:

A: You need females because there aren't enough males. However, the Imperium can easily sacrifice 10.000 men to create 1 space marine. Manpower is their biggest asset. So there is zero reason for the Imperium to do this in universe. They don't need to widen their recruit pool, they have all the manpower Stalin could ever dream of. Even if we say male and female recruits are totally equal, there is just so many men to throw at the Apothecary that you can already get any result you want through sheer brute-forcing of numbers.

B: Female marines would be super girly pin ups that trade strength for speed and agility. This would make a little more sense, but eldar are not that numerous to really deserve the massive undertaking that would make female marines into a new type of marine instead of twitter's butch muscle bound wet dreams. This would be even harder to pull off and require a lot of resources for an anti-eldar edge.

C: Female marines would be required to breed marines faster. Honshou already did it, and I don't think GW would dare that sjw screechstorm. This would only work if little marines grew up really fast and gave the Imperium an edge. This would again need a lot of resources, and the Imperium doesn't really need it that much, it thinks in centuries, reducing a marine's recruitment process to lets say 5 from 10 years wouldn't be that big a deal.

So... even if a bit of lore bending allows, there is no in-universe reason for the Imperium to actually bother with it. Even if we say a good space marine needs 10.000* male candidates to make, the whole Imperium's stock of 1 million marines would need 10 billion raw material as human men. So like, a few hive cities worth.

* Some Chapters like Grey Knights and Blood Ravens have such numbers, but for most 1.000 men would be more appropriate. That means 1 billion men. Earth today could produce that, there is 2.6 billion under 20 now. Half of that is 1.3, still above what the whole Imperium, a setting where Terra alone has QUADRILLIONS, would have access to.

And this scenario would be for repopulating ALL Chapters at once. Since a space marine has a battlefield life expectancy of around a century on the average... even real life Earth like planet could theoretically support the entire Astartes recruitment pool with much less effort.
The Imperium is the third powerhouse of manpower, with orks outdoing them and nids being the kings of numbers. But compared to something like the Federation or the Galactic Empire, their manpower reserves are still astounding. Even if we figure only a 3 kid per family unit birth rate (the 4th kid dies due to pollution, gang warfare, industrial accident, etc) they got this in the bag. And we are talking about a civilisation that propably has a fundie like approach to big families, so I'm once again low balling to be the C'tan's advocate.

They could easily have way more space marines if geneseed and gear was not a limiting factor.

Templin isn't even a 40k lore channel though. They are just a general normie "look at this sci-fi, than look at this one, than this one" scattershot generalist.
 
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I think people like this seem to take the unreliable and or bias narrator and run with it.
Granted GW has used that as an excuse to change some things, but I find the best rule of thumb to determine if something probably won't change is how many opposing factions agree on it.
If there where female Marines, I'll give you the Orks not being able to tell the difference between the beakies and maybe the necrons probably not caring despite probably having the sensor to tell instantly built in, but the eldar (and especially the drukhari for obvious reasons) are mostly able to tell the gender of a mon-keigh and the traitors would be filled with them since they're even more despite for manpower and more than willing to break any imperial customs.
 
Every time there's screeching about not having Space Marine women, it just makes me like the Sisters of Battle even more.
Honestly having female space marines weaken Sisters of Battle and pretty much counter intuitive.
 
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Just going to downvote it. Not going to argue with him for being wrong.
Yeah, my thoughts exactly, this "discussions" have been done and dusted years ago, this is just another lefty bread-tubing shit.

Is Templin even popular? I see his thumbnails from time2time in my feed, but he looks like another lefty faggot, whose idea of "discussion" is blocking everyone, who doesn't agree with him (From his pinned comment under the aforementioned clip):

"Attention Institute Personnel! I’ll be sticking around in the comments section for a while after this video goes live if you’d like me to further elaborate on this position or defend it from your criticism. Because of the framing device used by the Templin Institute, discussing the real world history of the universes we cover can sometimes be difficult, so this will be our and your opportunity to talk about things we otherwise can’t. Civil discussion will always be tolerated, but if your intention is to merely provoke a response, intimidate members of our staff or your comments veer towards any kind of hate speech, you are outttta here. "
 
Every time there's screeching about not having Space Marine women, it just makes me like the Sisters of Battle even more.
A very based comment on that video is "If there are Female Space marines then there needs to be Misters of Battle too".

A far more intelligent take though, and one I could get around is instead of "fuck canon", is that one of the lost legions were actually all Female as a sort of experiment by the God Emperor that failed for some reason. There are smart ways it could be done.

The sad truth though is the people screeching about Female Space Marines have a nefarious political agenda backed by little love for the setting.
 
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A very based comment on that video is "If there are Female Space marines then there needs to be Misters of Battle too".

A far more intelligent take though, and one I could get around is instead of "fuck canon", is that one of the lost legions were actually all Female as a sort of experiment by the God Emperor that failed for some reason. There are smart ways it could be done.

The sad truth though is the people screeching about Female Space Marines have a nefarious political agenda backed by little love for the setting.

There were misters of battle, Vandire plot had them. And it was banned for making the chuch too powerful. These gigachads of battle were so manly, the priests could only ever have girl fighters afterwards.

But there are Redemptionists, who are batshit crazy even for them. Underslung combi flamer on everything. Even your melee weapon!

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I see some video recommendations from time to time. The channel seems to be a general sci-fi discussion without even a 40k focus, generally making videos about any sci-fi they can find in a shotgun approach. No idea how popular that is. They are not a proper 40k channel for sure.
 
Mad lads went ahead with it. He even ended it with the last sentence from the GW "you are not welcome here" virtue signal.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=rZatVIVggl0
TL;DW
"Sure the lore says no female space marines, but unreliable in-universe narrators, therefore female space marines."
"Retcons happened, therefore female space marines."
"Speculative headcanon and my personal opinion, therefore female space marines."
"Appeal to ignorance (you can't PROVE there has never been a female space marine anywhere in 40k), therefore female space marines."
"It's all just games, gaiz, everybody's opinion is cute and heckin' valid! Unless you're a misogynist!"

Pretty standard motte-and-bailey bullshit that makes breadtubers cream their programmer socks and think they're smart.

You too can win any argument by ignoring all statements, evidence and arguments contrary to your position, preemptively attacking your opponent's character/morality, then retreating to mewling platitudes about 'fun'/'civility'/'niceness.'

If it worked for Derrida, it can work for you.
 
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