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StevieLasVegas said:
Soon gonna be cheaper to buy a 3D printer than one of their sets
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If you buy direct from Creality, you can get a Halot One right now for about $100 and 2000g of resin is about $50. So $150 will get you about 1,000pts worth of an army + a 3d printer. It's small and only 2k but it does the trick if you're just learning how to print.

I just ordered a new printer yesterday and it should show up monday. It's a Photon Mono X2 and it's a big upgrade to the Halot One I currently use. Don't forget you can also print and sell models on ebay to recoup your costs very quickly. I sell just enough models to totally offset my operating costs so 40k is basically a free hobby for me and my friends.
 
Stanley Ipkiss said:
Thanks for the recommendations guys. You guys are alright. Gonna see if I can find some primarch-focused books for cheap.

For YouTubers, Oculus Imperia seems alright. Luetin is so fucking boring though I dunno who actually enjoys listening to him.
I listened to his videos about Space Marines and still couldn't get the difference between Primarchs, Space Marines and Astartes (I now know the latter two are the same but not because of Luetin's boring ass) until I found Adeptus Ridiculous. For all of Bricky's faults he actually knows how to teach. Luetin is the equivalent of a teacher reading verbatim from the textbook. If you're autistic enough to enjoy that then just the cut out the middle man and read the Wiki/books yourself.
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I've listened to 2 audiobooks involving ultramarines and I like them a lot so far. Guilliman himself is my type of guy and they have heroic characters like Telion and Gaius.

I kinda get why fans don't like them but there's a reason they're the poster boys.
 
Stanley Ipkiss said:
I've listened to 2 audiobooks involving ultramarines and I like them a lot so far. Guilliman himself is my type of guy and they have heroic characters like Telion and Gaius.

I kinda get why fans don't like them but there's a reason they're the poster boys.
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The Ultramarines are fine when they're being written by non-fanboys. Know No Fear is one of my favorite 40K books of all time and that's just wall-to-wall Smurfs. The trouble is when you let someone like Matt Ward write them, because that's when they pick up all the annoying bullshit that's gone memetic and been harped on for the last 15 years or so.
 
Second Missing Primarch said:
The Ultramarines are fine when they're being written by non-fanboys. Know No Fear is one of my favorite 40K books of all time and that's just wall-to-wall Smurfs. The trouble is when you let someone like Matt Ward write them, because that's when they pick up all the annoying bullshit that's gone memetic and been harped on for the last 15 years or so.
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Yeah I can see that. One thing I don't get (correct me if I'm wrong here) is why GW decided to make one legion "the honorable guys" when being a Space Marine is supposed to be an Honorable position by default.
I was surprised to find that the vast of majority of Space Marines are just NPCs that worship their Primarchs and do whatever they do regardless of how stupid it comes across. It really waters down the emphasis placed on the selection process to become an Astartes.
So when the alternatives are a bunch of Mongolian Hell's angels, psycho barbarians or emo criminals it's no wonder everyone, including writers, gravitate toward the actual Marines who aren't led by a guy with Daddy issues.
 
Second Missing Primarch said:
The Ultramarines are fine when they're being written by non-fanboys. Know No Fear is one of my favorite 40K books of all time and that's just wall-to-wall Smurfs. The trouble is when you let someone like Matt Ward write them, because that's when they pick up all the annoying bullshit that's gone memetic and been harped on for the last 15 years or so.
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Ditto. I like Captain Titus as much as I do because of how he's written regarding the Codex Astartes. Characters like Tigurius being the bestest psyker or Cato Sicarius being the bestest spess mahrine made me hate the Ultramarines.
 
StevieLasVegas said:
Characters like Tigurius being the bestest psyker or Cato Sicarius being the bestest spess mahrine made me hate the Ultramarines.
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As an Iron Hands player at the time, seeing them also get the bestest tank commander character as well, at a time when Iron Hands got zero characters and literally just half a page of lore, was what did it for me.
 
StevieLasVegas said:
Ditto. I like Captain Titus as much as I do because of how he's written regarding the Codex Astartes. Characters like Tigurius being the bestest psyker or Cato Sicarius being the bestest spess mahrine made me hate the Ultramarines.
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Titus is what Guilliman wanted his sons to be. Leandros is what the shit-tier writers make them out to be. I've been enjoying painting my Titus miniature quite a bit just because it's him, even though he's Primaris now. Been a nice break from painting my Fists, too.
 
Stanley Ipkiss said:
Yeah I can see that. One thing I don't get (correct me if I'm wrong here) is why GW decided to make one legion "the honorable guys" when being a Space Marine is supposed to be an Honorable position by default.
I was surprised to find that the vast of majority of Space Marines are just NPCs that worship their Primarchs and do whatever they do regardless of how stupid it comes across. It really waters down the emphasis placed on the selection process to become an Astartes.
So when the alternatives are a bunch of Mongolian Hell's angels, psycho barbarians or emo criminals it's no wonder everyone, including writers, gravitate toward the actual Marines who aren't led by a guy with Daddy issues.
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It's a bit reductive to put all this on Ward, but he really was the spearhead for it with his infamous comments about how the Ultramarines are the best Space Marines ever and how all other SM chapters wish they were Ultramarines and want to be just like them to the point of revering Guilliman and Calgar as their spiritual liege over their own primarchs and legendary heroes. GW grabbed that ball and ran with it for too long while leaving most of the other major chapters under/undeveloped beyond their central traits, so it caused a feedback loop where Ultramarines sold more because they got all the attention, so they got more attention, and then they sold more, and they got more, so they sold more...

And of course you don't want your poster boys to look like chumps or people will mock them into oblivion (like Abaddon), so they have to have the best guys and win all the time and look cool and badass and heroic even at the expense of their fellow Space Marines.

Whatever else you want to say about the Heresy novels, they've gone a long way toward redressing that balance. The White Scars, Salamanders, and Raven Guard have arguably been the biggest beneficiaries, but the Ultramarines, Blood Angels, Space Wolves, Imperial Fists, and Dark Angels have all done well out of it too. Poor Iron Hands have still kinda been shafted, though.
 
Stanley Ipkiss said:
Yeah I can see that. One thing I don't get (correct me if I'm wrong here) is why GW decided to make one legion "the honorable guys" when being a Space Marine is supposed to be an Honorable position by default.
I was surprised to find that the vast of majority of Space Marines are just NPCs that worship their Primarchs and do whatever they do regardless of how stupid it comes across. It really waters down the emphasis placed on the selection process to become an Astartes.
So when the alternatives are a bunch of Mongolian Hell's angels, psycho barbarians or emo criminals it's no wonder everyone, including writers, gravitate toward the actual Marines who aren't led by a guy with Daddy issues.
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Its a shame too. GW use to put effort into adding good lore into rule books. My favorite being Imperial Armour 9 and 10, both being about the Badab war. Same goes for Heresy 1's rulebooks. They weren't that big on individual characters, but they gave a lot of details on conflicts and groups as a whole. Conflicts like Armageddon had thier own codex to flesh out lore and later on gave us great stories about characters like Yarrick, and Grimaldus.
 
THX-1138 said:
Its a shame too. GW use to put effort into adding good lore into rule books. My favorite being Imperial Armour 9 and 10, both being about the Badab war. Same goes for Heresy 1's rulebooks. They weren't that big on individual characters, but they gave a lot of details on conflicts and groups as a whole. Conflicts like Armageddon had thier own codex to flesh out lore and later on gave us great stories about characters like Yarrick, and Grimaldus.
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Do note that both Imperial Armour and Heresy 1 were by Forge World, rather than GW proper. Beyond that, Alan Bligh was a major force behind that sort of writing in the FW books, and his death in 2017 had a significant effect on their direction.
 
Penne Dreadful said:
Do note that both Imperial Armour and Heresy 1 were by Forge World, rather than GW proper. Beyond that, Alan Bligh was a major force behind that sort of writing in the FW books, and his death in 2017 had a significant effect on their direction.
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That's true, but they do make exclusively warhammer products, at least from what I remember. It's also sad to think about how few individuals in both companies actually have/had that passion for 40k to create something that great.
 
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