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Someone should let Virgie Tovar know she's not the ugliest deathfat on the farms anymore...maybe.
🍗 Deathfat Virgie Tovar - #losehatenotweight HAES, BoPo Snake Oil Salesman. Fat AF.
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On the scale of "Do Not Want" to "Sweet Jesus my Eyes!" I'd say Virgie is still one of the most repulsive fatties out there.
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.......anyone else kinda wonder how ugly their child would be?
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Speaking of the world's ugliest pug, apparently Virgie started another podcast in July called Truth Serum. I did a quick search and didn't see any mentions of it here. It's supposed to be this grand exposé on GLP1s and how they are a weapon of fat genocide and absolutely nothing else.
Apologies for just the link, I am boomer brained and do not know how to embed/archive. Hear the 'podcast' here
Somehow she is on the 5th episode of blatant lies and fataganda. I saw SamAtEverySize react to the first episode on YouTube; it's a decent reaction, she makes good points and calls out Virgie's bullshit tactics, but she sounds like a sloth to me, so watch at your own risk I suppose.
If a more capable Kiwi is willing to archive the podcasts, I am in the down season at work and am happy to give them a listen and type up recaps.
Apologies for just the link, I am boomer brained and do not know how to embed/archive. Hear the 'podcast' here
Somehow she is on the 5th episode of blatant lies and fataganda. I saw SamAtEverySize react to the first episode on YouTube; it's a decent reaction, she makes good points and calls out Virgie's bullshit tactics, but she sounds like a sloth to me, so watch at your own risk I suppose.
If a more capable Kiwi is willing to archive the podcasts, I am in the down season at work and am happy to give them a listen and type up recaps.
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Virgie's podcast is now on its 5th episode. She posted the first four episodes every two weeks, but this 5th episode came six weeks after the 4th. Guess she's losing steam almost as fast as she doesn't lose weight.
Quoting this comment from the Fat Activist thread:
Quoting this comment from the Fat Activist thread:
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You're on.I am in the down season at work and am happy to give them a listen and type up recaps.
Episode 1: Art of War
Episode 2: Collateral Damage
Episode 3: A Pediatrician's Warning
Episode 4: Anhedonia
Episode 5: "Food Noise"
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SamAtEverySize's review of the first episode is really good imo. There's no way I could listen to Virgie's dumbshit without commentary.
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GLP1 Truth Serum with Virgie Tovar, Episode One: Art of War
TL;DR: Virgie is a cultural war lord, protecting the vulnerable and much more stupid than her population of the world from the Evil Fatphobic Pharma Corps who have CLEARLY attempted to infiltrate her VERY SUCCESSFUL AND POWERFUL BOPO MOVEMENT because she received an incredibly common spam email to be sponsored by a GLP1 company. Don't worry guys, she refuses to step down and be defeated, so there's many more episodes of delusional drivel to come!!!
Dateline-esque music plays and she jumps right in with her best Sarah Koenig impression. I'm impressed they were able to edit out all the snorts and heaving breathing.
It starts... With a GLP1 collab offer email from a marketer! She can't understand how this happened, it's so off-brand for her, don't they know that?! She has ALWAYS done everything she can to fight the death cult of fat culture!
SHE CLAIMS SHE'S A RECOVERED ANOREXIC
She brags about her 'credentials' as a fat warrior.
She's so smart and brave, she just deletes the obviously accidental email. BUT MORE COME?! The only possible explanation for this experience that every self-identified influencer has lived in the past year or so? It's a conspiracy against HER SPECIFICALLY (and probably other fats)! It's targeted! This is evidence of tactical evil! Because EVERYONE knows who she is and what she stands for, duh, she's incredibly famous and successful, so the only logical conclusion is CONSPIRACY!!!
She's going to prove that GLP1s ONLY exist for corporations to be fatphobic and make a profit. She's a detective, y'all.
I had to listen to this nonsense on 1.5 speed.
To understand GLP1s, we have to know their Wikipedia definition, so she attempts to define them with absolutely no bias, I'm sure. They're supposed to be a diabetes medicine, but evil fatphobic corporations actually discovered that GLP1s were their nuclear bomb, and they IMMEDIATELY deployed it upon the innocent, unsuspecting fat masses for optimal destruction. She very purposefully glazes over the fact that it took decades of testing and proving for the medication to hit the market just for diabetes, let alone weight control. It doesn't fit the Big Bad Pharma narrative!
Claims influencers were infiltrated and paid by this secret cabal overnight, and the flood of the market began. Inserts highly curated media clips to build listener anxiety. She interjects with ye olde false argument of 'weight cycling' and 'diets don't work', without including any references or proof, of course, or how people who have successfully used GLP1s actually have access to making mental and lifestyle changes that keep them from getting trapped in dieting cycles. She scare mongers with cherry picked statistics lobbed in rapid fire about increased hospital visits from people on Ozempic, how the population of Ozempic users has tripled in the last few months... Almost as if accessibility has anything to do with it?
Uses false equivalencies between GLP1 use and mental health hospitalizations as some terrifying gotcha. She's so transparent with her shit journalism, if it wasn't so obviously flailing it would be offensive. She begs an answer to why users of GLP1s don't stay on them forever, as if that isn't a feature of how they work lol. It's not nefarious, it's a healthy, short term medical option for getting your weight and behavior under control, you daft bint!
False equivalencies fly everywhere. She desperately leans on old Fat Acceptance talking points, claiming that there is NO SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE that not being a massive fat ass is better in any way than being a massive fat ass.
SHE ACTUALLY REFERENCES SUN TZU'S ART OF WAR. The title is not tongue in cheek, it is genuine. A stock clip of swordfighting plays in the background as this incredible ancient tactician warns us that there is a battle tactic far more insidious than straightforward confrontation: Destroying leaders to demoralize the army. She believes the battlefield is social media, and saintly activists like HERSELF obviously are the leaders, being attacked by this fatphobic illuminati in order to demoralize her army of fat activists and bring them down from the inside, of course!!!! The email ad is a TRAP!!
She knows it's true because that's the ONLY way her fellow Body Positivity leaders fell to the temptations of the magic bullet! The media NEVER talks bad about GLP1s, but they ALWAYS attack body positivity, and have been writing propagandist headlines about how the movement is dead!!! It definitely wasn't the fact that all these miserable fatties who had previously given up on trying to be healthier because it's harder than being gluttonous just jumped on the first opportunity of the perceived magic bullet that crossed their path, nuh uh no way!
She attempts to conflate influencer sponsorship morality and general normal advertising with insidious manipulation, as if she's the only person in the world to see how dangerous being sold anything could be. She claims this is happening not actually to sell a weight loss drug, but JUST to destroy the body positive movement. These masterminds clearly studied Sun Tzu, but she has studied harder! She knows devious marketing when she sees it!
She inserts old 'appetite suppressant' ads to conflate the concept of forcing you to starve your poor body for thinness and submission to a greater controlling government power with how GLP1s work. Claims they only exist to do this, to destroy the concept of fat people existing, despite only moments ago in her own intro having told us the brief and redacted history of GLP1s, and how they are a diabetes medication that also coincidentally help people lose weight and keep it off. Almost as if the predominance of obesity related type 2 diabetes prompted the development of this highly effective and helpful drug... Nah, it's all a conspiracy from the fat hating government, duh! Genocide the fatties!!!
Oh god, she saw straight through their clever marketing; appetite suppression, caloric deprivation??? You mean, DIETING??? GOTCHA!!! You evil overlords can't fool Virgie, she's too powerful!!
Oh no, some people on these meds forget to eat, or only eat half a meal!! Oh, the humanity!!! It is truly a personal attack to her that anyone could possibly behave in a way that isn't pure, uncut gluttony. Not shoving food into your face constantly? Fatphobic piece of shit!! You're probably racist and sexist too, obvi. Don't ask why, she can say that and you're not allowed to argue because you are the oppressor.
GLP1s are equivalent to wiring someone's jaw shut against their will so they starve themselves into submission, and it's not shocking to us to see it because we're desensitized by media to think not being gigantic blobs is possibly a good thing. We don't think critically when we're faced with optional weight loss, it's a control tactic she calls the 'moral loophole' that these corporations have trained us to expect and accept. We're victims to their power, she's the only one with the clarity to see the truth!! Sheeple!!
She conflates the mental deterioration from actual physical starvation with someone just not eating more than they could possibly ever need on a daily basis and how it's dangerous deprivation. She is a recovered anorexic, after all, she should know. She thinks people like herself 'change history' and save lives, and the fact that she has even received these carpet bomb emails from the algorithm's spam bots based on her own content tags that are clearly not personalized and sent to any so-called influencer in an attempt to get cheap advertising is clear evidence that this is all actually a GRAND CONSPIRACY! They are evil, manipulative masterminds, she is the Great Leader of the bopo movement, and they know that if they can take her DOWN, the empire of fat activism will crumble!!
But they underestimate her, you see. She is incredible. She is smarter than literally everyone. She's going to FIGHT. BACK.
If you got this far holy shit I think I lost my mind, don't listen to insane people when you're sleep deprived lol. She wrote, edited, and produced this pile of steaming horseshit, of course. Who in their right mind would support her in this bizarre self-victimizing behavior?
It starts... With a GLP1 collab offer email from a marketer! She can't understand how this happened, it's so off-brand for her, don't they know that?! She has ALWAYS done everything she can to fight the death cult of fat culture!
SHE CLAIMS SHE'S A RECOVERED ANOREXIC
She brags about her 'credentials' as a fat warrior.She's so smart and brave, she just deletes the obviously accidental email. BUT MORE COME?! The only possible explanation for this experience that every self-identified influencer has lived in the past year or so? It's a conspiracy against HER SPECIFICALLY (and probably other fats)! It's targeted! This is evidence of tactical evil! Because EVERYONE knows who she is and what she stands for, duh, she's incredibly famous and successful, so the only logical conclusion is CONSPIRACY!!!
She's going to prove that GLP1s ONLY exist for corporations to be fatphobic and make a profit. She's a detective, y'all.
I had to listen to this nonsense on 1.5 speed.
To understand GLP1s, we have to know their Wikipedia definition, so she attempts to define them with absolutely no bias, I'm sure. They're supposed to be a diabetes medicine, but evil fatphobic corporations actually discovered that GLP1s were their nuclear bomb, and they IMMEDIATELY deployed it upon the innocent, unsuspecting fat masses for optimal destruction. She very purposefully glazes over the fact that it took decades of testing and proving for the medication to hit the market just for diabetes, let alone weight control. It doesn't fit the Big Bad Pharma narrative!
Claims influencers were infiltrated and paid by this secret cabal overnight, and the flood of the market began. Inserts highly curated media clips to build listener anxiety. She interjects with ye olde false argument of 'weight cycling' and 'diets don't work', without including any references or proof, of course, or how people who have successfully used GLP1s actually have access to making mental and lifestyle changes that keep them from getting trapped in dieting cycles. She scare mongers with cherry picked statistics lobbed in rapid fire about increased hospital visits from people on Ozempic, how the population of Ozempic users has tripled in the last few months... Almost as if accessibility has anything to do with it?
Uses false equivalencies between GLP1 use and mental health hospitalizations as some terrifying gotcha. She's so transparent with her shit journalism, if it wasn't so obviously flailing it would be offensive. She begs an answer to why users of GLP1s don't stay on them forever, as if that isn't a feature of how they work lol. It's not nefarious, it's a healthy, short term medical option for getting your weight and behavior under control, you daft bint!
False equivalencies fly everywhere. She desperately leans on old Fat Acceptance talking points, claiming that there is NO SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE that not being a massive fat ass is better in any way than being a massive fat ass.
SHE ACTUALLY REFERENCES SUN TZU'S ART OF WAR
. The title is not tongue in cheek, it is genuine. A stock clip of swordfighting plays in the background as this incredible ancient tactician warns us that there is a battle tactic far more insidious than straightforward confrontation: Destroying leaders to demoralize the army. She believes the battlefield is social media, and saintly activists like HERSELF obviously are the leaders, being attacked by this fatphobic illuminati in order to demoralize her army of fat activists and bring them down from the inside, of course!!!! The email ad is a TRAP!!She knows it's true because that's the ONLY way her fellow Body Positivity leaders fell to the temptations of the magic bullet! The media NEVER talks bad about GLP1s, but they ALWAYS attack body positivity, and have been writing propagandist headlines about how the movement is dead!!! It definitely wasn't the fact that all these miserable fatties who had previously given up on trying to be healthier because it's harder than being gluttonous just jumped on the first opportunity of the perceived magic bullet that crossed their path, nuh uh no way!
She attempts to conflate influencer sponsorship morality and general normal advertising with insidious manipulation, as if she's the only person in the world to see how dangerous being sold anything could be. She claims this is happening not actually to sell a weight loss drug, but JUST to destroy the body positive movement. These masterminds clearly studied Sun Tzu, but she has studied harder! She knows devious marketing when she sees it!
She inserts old 'appetite suppressant' ads to conflate the concept of forcing you to starve your poor body for thinness and submission to a greater controlling government power with how GLP1s work. Claims they only exist to do this, to destroy the concept of fat people existing, despite only moments ago in her own intro having told us the brief and redacted history of GLP1s, and how they are a diabetes medication that also coincidentally help people lose weight and keep it off. Almost as if the predominance of obesity related type 2 diabetes prompted the development of this highly effective and helpful drug... Nah, it's all a conspiracy from the fat hating government, duh! Genocide the fatties!!!
Oh god, she saw straight through their clever marketing; appetite suppression, caloric deprivation??? You mean, DIETING??? GOTCHA!!! You evil overlords can't fool Virgie, she's too powerful!!
Oh no, some people on these meds forget to eat, or only eat half a meal!! Oh, the humanity!!! It is truly a personal attack to her that anyone could possibly behave in a way that isn't pure, uncut gluttony. Not shoving food into your face constantly? Fatphobic piece of shit!! You're probably racist and sexist too, obvi. Don't ask why, she can say that and you're not allowed to argue because you are the oppressor.
GLP1s are equivalent to wiring someone's jaw shut against their will so they starve themselves into submission, and it's not shocking to us to see it because we're desensitized by media to think not being gigantic blobs is possibly a good thing. We don't think critically when we're faced with optional weight loss, it's a control tactic she calls the 'moral loophole' that these corporations have trained us to expect and accept. We're victims to their power, she's the only one with the clarity to see the truth!! Sheeple!!
She conflates the mental deterioration from actual physical starvation with someone just not eating more than they could possibly ever need on a daily basis and how it's dangerous deprivation. She is a recovered anorexic, after all, she should know. She thinks people like herself 'change history' and save lives, and the fact that she has even received these carpet bomb emails from the algorithm's spam bots based on her own content tags that are clearly not personalized and sent to any so-called influencer in an attempt to get cheap advertising is clear evidence that this is all actually a GRAND CONSPIRACY! They are evil, manipulative masterminds, she is the Great Leader of the bopo movement, and they know that if they can take her DOWN, the empire of fat activism will crumble!!
But they underestimate her, you see. She is incredible. She is smarter than literally everyone. She's going to FIGHT. BACK.
If you got this far holy shit I think I lost my mind, don't listen to insane people when you're sleep deprived lol. She wrote, edited, and produced this pile of steaming horseshit, of course. Who in their right mind would support her in this bizarre self-victimizing behavior?
TL;DR: Virgie is a cultural war lord, protecting the vulnerable and much more stupid than her population of the world from the Evil Fatphobic Pharma Corps who have CLEARLY attempted to infiltrate her VERY SUCCESSFUL AND POWERFUL BOPO MOVEMENT because she received an incredibly common spam email to be sponsored by a GLP1 company. Don't worry guys, she refuses to step down and be defeated, so there's many more episodes of delusional drivel to come!!!
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It would be more like Gorilla Hot Air.
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GLP1 Truth Serum with Virgie Tovar, Episode Two: Collateral Damage
TL;DR: Virgie hosts a totally impartial and very professional friend, and they discuss how essentially all fatties suffer from eating disorders (THE SKINNY KIND YOU BIGOT), and the evil fatphobic powers that be are using a forced chemical eating disorder to genocide them: the GLP1.
Who wants to bet the 14 year old kid in the article isn't diagnosed with anorexia?
The Ozempire Strikes Back!
She comes in HOT with a direct reference to an article from Business Insider about the “hidden dangers of ozempic: eating disorder recovery”. Oh boy, I love being hand fed an actual reference. Naturally, this article is penned by a very cranky-faced fat woman.
You can read the article for yourself here.
She quotes this line, about halfway through the article:
“Experts warn that these medications can trigger new eating disorders, worsen existing ones, and complicate recovery. Brittany Lacour, the national director of clinical assessment intake at Eating Recovery Centers, with programs across the country, said the number of people who had come into ERC already on a GLP-1 went from 11 in 2023 to 31 in 2024. So far, there have been 14 cases in 2025, including a 14-year-old child.”
No, she doesn’t tell you how significant those numbers and patients’ cases are in the grand scheme of eating disorder treatment patients. Is it even 1% of the usual population? Did the population of patients increase as a whole as well? Were those patients admitted and already on GLP1s obese or diagnosed with binge eating disorders? Who fucking knows, those questions don’t mean SHIT to a true social justice warrior like Virgie!
She claims GLP1s are being pushed as neutral health interventions. Bitch where?!?! I have never heard it presented as anything other than a dependable treatment for diabetes and significant weightloss, specifically. Clearly, She’s uncovered this dark cabal of doctors who are prescribing drugs, Willy nilly, to anyone and everyone with absolutely NO screening and NO history checks! Yes, Virgie, pill pushing corruption has plagued doctors since before you were alive, this isn’t novel. You aren’t uncovering the secret dark truth of the next great opioid epidemic, you’re literally utilizing free online no-think opinion pieces that are hand feeding you snippets of info, which you are then isolating and cloaking in the disguise of hard evidence for your great conspiracy. Wait until she hears about all of the online fraudsters that were handing out Adderall scripts and ADHD diagnoses to tiktokers like candy in 2020!
I am 1 minute in, btw
. She calls it the ozempire, I actually fucking love that.
She is Virgie Tovar, the ONLY human in the world truly scrutinizing the evil ozempire! FOR YOU!! And she’s uncovering the truths about the GLP1 craze that aren’t making headlines YET… despite the fact that, less than one fucking minute ago, she read us a goddamn alarmist headline.
WE HAVE A SPECIAL GUEST!!! This will definitely be a well-read, unbiased, scientific professional, right?? Fuck you hell naw, this is Chevese Turner, an eating disorder specialist who just so happens, pure coincidence guys, to be a long- suffering BOPO activist. Just look at this profile on her on withinhealth.com, the very first result I got from googling her name:
“With over 20 years of experience, Chevese Turner is an internationally recognized activist and advocate, speaker, policy influencer and movement-builder who dedicates her ability to make significant social change on issues concerning eating disorders, weight stigma and discrimination, and intersectional social justice. Turner founded the Binge Eating Disorder Association (BEDA) in 2008 and successfully merged it with the National Eating Disorders Association (NEDA) in 2018, after 10 years that significantly changed the eating disorders community in both scope and focus.
Prior to BEDA and Turner’s work advocating for the inclusion of Binge Eating Disorder (BED) in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual’s 5th Edition (DSM-5), published in 2013, those struggling with the most common and under diagnosed eating disorder had little hope of being recognized much less accessing treatment and insurance coverage. She continues to grow as a healthcare activist and believes integrating what is currently known and future research about social determinants of health is an important way forward for those at the intersection of oppressions and repeated denial of healthcare based on their body size, color, ethnicity, age, gender, socio-economic status, etc.
Turner is also the co-author of Binge Eating Disorder: The Journey to Recovery & Beyond and contributes regularly to podcasts and the media. Turner attended Temple University in Philadelphia where she received a BA in Political Science. Her professional expertise includes public policy and government relations, non-profit management, strategy, programming and communications, and making change through social healthcare movements.
She is a past board member of the Academy of Eating Disorders and the National Association of Anorexia Nervosa and Associated Disorders (ANAD), and is currently an Advisor for Families Empowered and Supporting Treatment for Eating Disorders (F.E.A.S.T.).”
Nope, no biases there! I’ll be the first to admit that her work to get Binge Eating disorder officially medically recognized is a net positive for humans in general… but as you’ll soon learn, everything she does is shoved through the shitfilter lense of fat acceptance and body positivity/neutrality, all the fucking demon cults these genuinely mentally ill binge eaters are actual victims of, so her positive efforts are made void by her desperate need to validate her own delusions.
Gosh, guys, wouldn’t you know it, she also just so happens to be Virgie’s friend!!! Thank god this is an impartial podcast! So informative. And wow, just like Virgie, she too was diagnosed with Atypical Anorexia, incredible!! That’s definitely a very real diagnosis and not something she managed to pity-squeeze out of a doctor she shopped high and low for because she totally didn’t eat lunch for like two days in a row once. Oh and she’s a diagnosed binge eater. No comment.
She was featured in the article that doesn’t exist that she just referenced! Neat!
Chevese just struggled to eat normally, her eating was just all over the place. Apparently in her 20s she got lap band surgery… uh oh, better keep your fatphobic self mutilation choices to yourself! Through the experience of this surgery, she stumbled upon Fat Liberation and HAES and size inclusivity etc, and allowed the brainwashing to rinse her clean and absolve her of all personal responsibility, so stead of focusing on her surgery program and SEEKING REAL THERAPY, she chugged the full sugar kool-aid and deemed her failed surgery experience a disaster. “Obviously!”
So she immediately started her Binge Eating Disorder Association, because she was VERY UPSET… that the disorder wasn’t represented yet in the DSM, definitely not because she was fully responsible for her poor choices. She was jealous that people with ‘larger bodies’ weren’t given the same consideration as those damn skinty bitch Anorexics! She’s special and needs attention too, okay?!
( I feel compelled to reiterate that binge eating disorder is a very real diagnosis, and that I do agree that it is under diagnosed and under supported in actual recovery, but that these psychos co-opt this reality and abuse the truth of it in order to push their insane victim narratives. Clearly people with this disorder have a mental/emotional disorder, and the binge eating is the symptomatic cope expression of that disorder, and they need actual healthy tools to help them handle their traumas and manage their impulses. Idk, like practical therapy and a GLP1?! Anyway.)
You guys she had no idea that fatties like her could even have anorexia, so quirky and special!
She also has the disorder of referring to her body as if it is a separate entity from herself. “My poor body, it went through so much!” Is the body in the room with us right now?
Unsurprisingly, she spends a ridiculous amount of energy every day maintaining her eating disorder ‘recovery’. Is Chevese an obese woman?? You betcha! Looks like recovery is still on the horizon, babe.
Virgie steps in again to be very truthful and honest with us and let us know they are indeed personal friends because they both screech about body positivity and fat acceptance in public spaces. And also that Chevese is actually using *gasp* OZEMPIC, to manage her diabetes. Any bets on whether or not it’s type 2 diabetes as a comorbidity of obesity?
It gave her so much internal conflict, because she needs it for her very separate disorder, and she doesn’t want ANYONE else to have access to this unless they also need it for diabetes. She BEGGED her doctor not to let force her to lose weight!!! Just keep her sugars from killing her in her sleep, but PLEASE don’t let her reach a healthy bmi!!! She is making it VERY clear that she is not a spy for the Evil Ozempire. We have to be SO CAREFUL with these insanely dangerous and out of control drugs, and her story is so important for reinforcing her moral imposition on strangers and why they chose to use this medication personally. She knows SO MANY PEOPLE who were so UPSET that this medication worked so well for diabetes control, but there is the horrific side effect of devastating weightloss! She has to be so. careful. that her very truly anorexic sick brain doesn’t take advantage of this magic bullet and let her slip into a healthy bmi range. She has to know when to stop abusing these class 1 narcotic before it’s too late!
(I know I’m being very dramatic in my retelling, I apologize. It’s the only thing keeping me sane, they really are presenting these anecdotes as life or death information, it’s just insane. Let me know if you need less editorializing from me in the future and I’ll reel it in.)
Virgie is so stunned by Chevese’s use of words like ‘careful’ and ‘responsible’. She’s literally never heard a fat activist use these words in context before you guys, this is groundbreaking. Oh! It’s because she’s the only person in the whole world using them in context with GLP1s, of course! Incredible! As we all know, the evil thins of the world are utterly reckless with their use of and speech around GLP1s, they’re trying to get babies hooked on it all the time, honestly. Fat people are encouraged to toss caution to the wind, and are NEVER explained potential side effects, there’s no such thing as a single ethical doctor in the world.
The worst possible thing has happened to poor Chevese, too: she’s lost her sense… of hunger. Oh merciful god, how could this have happened?! It certainly couldn’t be because she has never actually addressed her real eating disorder and the root issues that cause her to emotionally overeat to the point where she no longer feels real hunger cues and simply eats constantly and automatically to numb the awareness of being alive, right? And now that the food noise and unhealthy coping behavior is gone, she’s noticing she’s just not constantly overeating and is conflating it in her idiot mind with Atypical Anorexia behavior… right? Right??
Virgie admits that rebuilding hunger cues and actually understanding hunger cues is a core part of healing from eating disorders… but of course immediately twists it into a pretzel of bullshit by trying to tie the lack of overeating behavior in her fat friend to the same complete food restriction behavior common in people with the very UNcommon restrictive eating disorders. Because as we know about our dear Virgie, if you aren’t forcing yourself to overconsume food product like garbage at all hours, you’re fatphobic, brainwashed into anorexia by big diet culture, and a secret agent for the cis white patriarchy or some shit. There’s no nuance in eating disorders; if you aren’t fat or don’t want to be, you’re just a manipulative BIGOT!
It’s kind of incredible how close she gets to the truth of how hunger cues actually work and should be used, but just as she’s about to skim the surface of honest scientific truth, she yanks the yolk and does loop de loops around BOPO insanity. She actually has cultivated the perfect art of manipulation through misinformation and false equivalencies. Almost impressive.
Someone might take pride in the fact that they aren’t engaged in eating 24 hours straight, and that’s disordered!! Anorexia for all fat people!!
Oh my god she even admits that recovery requires you to only eat when actually hungry and stop when you’re actually full, not when the whole cake is finally gone. What the fuck Virgie, that’s fatphobic!! Oh my god, without hunger, one might disconnect from their body… surely fat activists don’t already do anything like that.
Finally, she accidentally exposes her true concern with a medication that might help relieve mental and emotional triggers for binging: she doesn’t think hunger is only a physical condition. She knows it is truly a mental and emotional state! That is a normal and healthy analysis! True hunger isn’t an indication that your body needs an appropriate dose of fuel to keep running efficiently, no! Idiots! It’s our beloved bodies protecting our sweet hearts and minds from the cruelties of life and other people, by comforting us with virtuous hyper palatable food substitutes to numb the unresolved anxieties in our minds, of course! The body creature thing is so thoughtful, isn’t it? If we don’t have the urge to constantly eat, misconstruing the ping of poor coping mechanisms with actual hunger cues, then we WILL forget a natural human instinct, how to actually eat! We will revert to a stage that is actual sub-infancy! Horrific but true!
I am 1/3 of the way through. I have to stop pausing.
Chevese sets alarms on her phone to remind herself to snack constantly, because even though her corrective surgery was a failure, she is ALWAYS at risk of falling victim to anorexia and just passing away within a couple of hours. It’s truly inevitable. She was horrified to notice that she was eating less and less with time on Ozempic. She identifies her ‘recovery’ as the one thing in her life she has worked the hardest to achieve, and she will NEVER give that up to evil pharma. She REFUSES to be thin and sickly! The evil Ozempire will never take her alive! So she forces herself to out-eat it. Incredible. Wonder how her diabetes is doing? She tries to maintain her victim status and claims she does sometimes ignore these life saving reminders, though. She’s only human, being manipulated by a shadow government who wants to genocide fatties.
She MUST eat 3 meals a day and 2 snacks, and she can’t eat mindlessly anymore- I mean, intuitively anymore, because she has to work against the ozempic, and that just plain pisses her off doncha know!
Virgie can’t help herself and must interrupt her friends testimony to remind us that the precious fatties who have survived their brushes with diet culture and have lived a life of fragile recovery must fight tooth and nail for their healing, and these silly, trendy, damaging, life saving medications are just making it so hard.
Chevese is pissed because she told her endocrinologist that sometimes she accidentally misses meals bc of the GLP1 and it worries her, and the doctors responded as a sane person would and remarked that it’s okay if she misses lunch sometimes. Naturally Chevese did the logical thing and had a full blown crash out on that doctor, what a total big pharma plant of a bitch, ammirite? She just doesn’t get it! She thinks endocrinologists who do get it are unicorns, and she’s alone in the world, and she must take care of herself because absolutely no one else will… and because she admits that other bitter fat activists will call her ass out if they see her losing weight! The dissonance!
Virgie thinks Chevese’s self care and self advocacy is inspiring. She thinks she learned these incredible, superhuman powers by drinking the body positivity kool-aid, which, as she enlightened us to in episode one, is the current target of the evil, fatphobic, GLP1 industry Ozempire! She’s a true revolutionary. Put her face a block print and sell me a shirt.
Virgie can’t help but point out that Chevese is rare, and that most other low level fatties in the world that aren’t as great as Virgie don’t actually fight the man like they do, or do any due diligence, or practice any caution ever, or demand to be screened for mental health stability because they all obviously have binge eating disorder- I mean, atypical anorexia, the only disorders fatties can actually develop of course. Virgie hasn’t tried to get herself a script for a GLP1, but she KNOWS they wouldn’t screen her, because they only care about eradicating fatties at all costs.
Virgie exclaims that it is absurd that every consumer must have self and situational awareness, be well read and self-informed, and prepare to analyze any treatment plan ever recommended to them by any doctor for any ailment. When will get it, that we are never responsible for anything that happens to us, ever?! It’s the goddamn PATRIARCHY!
Omg, Chevese’s mom also identifies as an eating disorder survivor who was attempting to utilize GLP1s to manage her diabetes. Are we taking bets on the diagnosis? The GLP1 triggered her relapse into ANOREXIA. EVIL.
Chevese airs out her mom’s personal struggles, saying she’s had a lifetime of trauma and is a recovered alcoholic, thanks babe. She said her mom was dealing with diabetes from a much younger age than she was, upwards of 40 years long, and became insulin dependent. Looks like type 2 runs in the family. Her mom’s endo put her on Ozempic and she was SO concerned for her mother, because her mother just wasn’t as recovered and strong as she was, and nobody cares about seniors with eating disorders. She watched her elderly, diabetic mother DROP WEIGHT
. It seemed every week she watched her mom lose weight, and she was so triggered by that! How dare she?! She had to have boundaries with her, she’s a grown woman, goddamnit, 77 years old! She never admits that her mom became unhealthily thin, though… but as she watched her mom ‘disappear and become more unstable’. This past year, her mom’s dog, her closest companion, died. Her mom was hospitalized and very weak from the trauma, and she ended up in an ‘eating disorder establishment’. They took her off the Ozempic, she is obviously in the devastating throes of her disorder again. It was TOTALLY because of the Ozempic, not because she’s fucking old, or that her daughter is a psycho bitch, or that her only companion died, etc. I think it’s pretty fucked up for her to co-opt her mom’s terrible personal story for her own victimhood.
Her mom continues to struggle and can barely eat.
Virgie begs us to stop and consider how Chevese’s poor mother did everything correct, and let the doctors try to kill her. Virgie claims the mother’s ANOREXIA relapsed, but Chevese never used that word. Chevese blames all the doctors involved, they’re malicious and don’t know shit about anything. Her mom has congestive heart failure, which they believed would be supported by the GLP1, according to her, and they ignored her desperate pleas to save her dying mother.
Virgie reminds us that medial biases is ever present against the elderly, but even more so with fat bodied people, the most oppressed, of course. So was her mom fat, or just old?
Virgie begs us to listen to the rest of her ‘Interview’ with her friend, where she rambles on angrily about how people just won’t let her eat, what the fuck?! Why won’t they let us eat????? It is illegal for people to recommend anyone eat ever! If you have a fat body, they will force you to lose weight and become healthier and keep you from eating mindlessly!! ITS INHUMANE!!! Weight cycling and dieting is FORCED upon everyone and then we are held responsible for our failures?! What the fuck?!?!
Chevese wonders if anyone bothered to study the effects of GLP1s and cases of malnutrition, in a social media post. The internet CAME for her, she was talked down to, it was SO dehumanizing. Someone had the audacity to tell her that fat people have reserves and are not going to become suddenly malnourished from the medication (hello doctor Now lol), and she was triggered. She KNOWS she’s not a scientist or a doctor, they are so much more educated than her, but it’s a no brainer that everyone will suffer from taking this drug.
Virgie wraps up the episode whining about how we are expected to be healthy because we owe it to society and that’s so not fair. She begs the listener to stop and ask themselves if they or someone they love are at risk of being destroyed by the evil fatphobic medical system, and what you need to do about to protect yourself and them from this malicious, organized malpractice. Your worth is NOT determined by your weight (unless you dare lower it), and your recovery is worth protecting (unless it is real, actual, healthy recovery and isn’t condoned by the HAES movement, in which case GET FUCKED)!
This has been Virgie Tovar, signing off, and that has been the last semblance of my sanity, melting into oblivion. Until next time, fatties!
She comes in HOT with a direct reference to an article from Business Insider about the “hidden dangers of ozempic: eating disorder recovery”. Oh boy, I love being hand fed an actual reference. Naturally, this article is penned by a very cranky-faced fat woman.
You can read the article for yourself here.
She quotes this line, about halfway through the article:
“Experts warn that these medications can trigger new eating disorders, worsen existing ones, and complicate recovery. Brittany Lacour, the national director of clinical assessment intake at Eating Recovery Centers, with programs across the country, said the number of people who had come into ERC already on a GLP-1 went from 11 in 2023 to 31 in 2024. So far, there have been 14 cases in 2025, including a 14-year-old child.”
No, she doesn’t tell you how significant those numbers and patients’ cases are in the grand scheme of eating disorder treatment patients. Is it even 1% of the usual population? Did the population of patients increase as a whole as well? Were those patients admitted and already on GLP1s obese or diagnosed with binge eating disorders? Who fucking knows, those questions don’t mean SHIT to a true social justice warrior like Virgie!
She claims GLP1s are being pushed as neutral health interventions. Bitch where?!?! I have never heard it presented as anything other than a dependable treatment for diabetes and significant weightloss, specifically. Clearly, She’s uncovered this dark cabal of doctors who are prescribing drugs, Willy nilly, to anyone and everyone with absolutely NO screening and NO history checks! Yes, Virgie, pill pushing corruption has plagued doctors since before you were alive, this isn’t novel. You aren’t uncovering the secret dark truth of the next great opioid epidemic, you’re literally utilizing free online no-think opinion pieces that are hand feeding you snippets of info, which you are then isolating and cloaking in the disguise of hard evidence for your great conspiracy. Wait until she hears about all of the online fraudsters that were handing out Adderall scripts and ADHD diagnoses to tiktokers like candy in 2020!
I am 1 minute in, btw
. She calls it the ozempire, I actually fucking love that.She is Virgie Tovar, the ONLY human in the world truly scrutinizing the evil ozempire! FOR YOU!! And she’s uncovering the truths about the GLP1 craze that aren’t making headlines YET… despite the fact that, less than one fucking minute ago, she read us a goddamn alarmist headline.
WE HAVE A SPECIAL GUEST!!! This will definitely be a well-read, unbiased, scientific professional, right?? Fuck you hell naw, this is Chevese Turner, an eating disorder specialist who just so happens, pure coincidence guys, to be a long- suffering BOPO activist. Just look at this profile on her on withinhealth.com, the very first result I got from googling her name:
“With over 20 years of experience, Chevese Turner is an internationally recognized activist and advocate, speaker, policy influencer and movement-builder who dedicates her ability to make significant social change on issues concerning eating disorders, weight stigma and discrimination, and intersectional social justice. Turner founded the Binge Eating Disorder Association (BEDA) in 2008 and successfully merged it with the National Eating Disorders Association (NEDA) in 2018, after 10 years that significantly changed the eating disorders community in both scope and focus.
Prior to BEDA and Turner’s work advocating for the inclusion of Binge Eating Disorder (BED) in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual’s 5th Edition (DSM-5), published in 2013, those struggling with the most common and under diagnosed eating disorder had little hope of being recognized much less accessing treatment and insurance coverage. She continues to grow as a healthcare activist and believes integrating what is currently known and future research about social determinants of health is an important way forward for those at the intersection of oppressions and repeated denial of healthcare based on their body size, color, ethnicity, age, gender, socio-economic status, etc.
Turner is also the co-author of Binge Eating Disorder: The Journey to Recovery & Beyond and contributes regularly to podcasts and the media. Turner attended Temple University in Philadelphia where she received a BA in Political Science. Her professional expertise includes public policy and government relations, non-profit management, strategy, programming and communications, and making change through social healthcare movements.
She is a past board member of the Academy of Eating Disorders and the National Association of Anorexia Nervosa and Associated Disorders (ANAD), and is currently an Advisor for Families Empowered and Supporting Treatment for Eating Disorders (F.E.A.S.T.).”
Nope, no biases there! I’ll be the first to admit that her work to get Binge Eating disorder officially medically recognized is a net positive for humans in general… but as you’ll soon learn, everything she does is shoved through the shitfilter lense of fat acceptance and body positivity/neutrality, all the fucking demon cults these genuinely mentally ill binge eaters are actual victims of, so her positive efforts are made void by her desperate need to validate her own delusions.
Gosh, guys, wouldn’t you know it, she also just so happens to be Virgie’s friend!!! Thank god this is an impartial podcast! So informative. And wow, just like Virgie, she too was diagnosed with Atypical Anorexia, incredible!! That’s definitely a very real diagnosis and not something she managed to pity-squeeze out of a doctor she shopped high and low for because she totally didn’t eat lunch for like two days in a row once. Oh and she’s a diagnosed binge eater. No comment.
She was featured in the article that doesn’t exist that she just referenced! Neat!
Chevese just struggled to eat normally, her eating was just all over the place. Apparently in her 20s she got lap band surgery… uh oh, better keep your fatphobic self mutilation choices to yourself! Through the experience of this surgery, she stumbled upon Fat Liberation and HAES and size inclusivity etc, and allowed the brainwashing to rinse her clean and absolve her of all personal responsibility, so stead of focusing on her surgery program and SEEKING REAL THERAPY, she chugged the full sugar kool-aid and deemed her failed surgery experience a disaster. “Obviously!”
So she immediately started her Binge Eating Disorder Association, because she was VERY UPSET… that the disorder wasn’t represented yet in the DSM, definitely not because she was fully responsible for her poor choices. She was jealous that people with ‘larger bodies’ weren’t given the same consideration as those damn skinty bitch Anorexics! She’s special and needs attention too, okay?!
( I feel compelled to reiterate that binge eating disorder is a very real diagnosis, and that I do agree that it is under diagnosed and under supported in actual recovery, but that these psychos co-opt this reality and abuse the truth of it in order to push their insane victim narratives. Clearly people with this disorder have a mental/emotional disorder, and the binge eating is the symptomatic cope expression of that disorder, and they need actual healthy tools to help them handle their traumas and manage their impulses. Idk, like practical therapy and a GLP1?! Anyway.)
You guys she had no idea that fatties like her could even have anorexia, so quirky and special!
She also has the disorder of referring to her body as if it is a separate entity from herself. “My poor body, it went through so much!” Is the body in the room with us right now?
Unsurprisingly, she spends a ridiculous amount of energy every day maintaining her eating disorder ‘recovery’. Is Chevese an obese woman?? You betcha! Looks like recovery is still on the horizon, babe.
Virgie steps in again to be very truthful and honest with us and let us know they are indeed personal friends because they both screech about body positivity and fat acceptance in public spaces. And also that Chevese is actually using *gasp* OZEMPIC, to manage her diabetes. Any bets on whether or not it’s type 2 diabetes as a comorbidity of obesity?
It gave her so much internal conflict, because she needs it for her very separate disorder, and she doesn’t want ANYONE else to have access to this unless they also need it for diabetes. She BEGGED her doctor not to let force her to lose weight!!! Just keep her sugars from killing her in her sleep, but PLEASE don’t let her reach a healthy bmi!!! She is making it VERY clear that she is not a spy for the Evil Ozempire. We have to be SO CAREFUL with these insanely dangerous and out of control drugs, and her story is so important for reinforcing her moral imposition on strangers and why they chose to use this medication personally. She knows SO MANY PEOPLE who were so UPSET that this medication worked so well for diabetes control, but there is the horrific side effect of devastating weightloss! She has to be so. careful. that her very truly anorexic sick brain doesn’t take advantage of this magic bullet and let her slip into a healthy bmi range. She has to know when to stop abusing these class 1 narcotic before it’s too late!
(I know I’m being very dramatic in my retelling, I apologize. It’s the only thing keeping me sane, they really are presenting these anecdotes as life or death information, it’s just insane. Let me know if you need less editorializing from me in the future and I’ll reel it in.)
Virgie is so stunned by Chevese’s use of words like ‘careful’ and ‘responsible’. She’s literally never heard a fat activist use these words in context before you guys, this is groundbreaking. Oh! It’s because she’s the only person in the whole world using them in context with GLP1s, of course! Incredible! As we all know, the evil thins of the world are utterly reckless with their use of and speech around GLP1s, they’re trying to get babies hooked on it all the time, honestly. Fat people are encouraged to toss caution to the wind, and are NEVER explained potential side effects, there’s no such thing as a single ethical doctor in the world.
The worst possible thing has happened to poor Chevese, too: she’s lost her sense… of hunger. Oh merciful god, how could this have happened?! It certainly couldn’t be because she has never actually addressed her real eating disorder and the root issues that cause her to emotionally overeat to the point where she no longer feels real hunger cues and simply eats constantly and automatically to numb the awareness of being alive, right? And now that the food noise and unhealthy coping behavior is gone, she’s noticing she’s just not constantly overeating and is conflating it in her idiot mind with Atypical Anorexia behavior… right? Right??
Virgie admits that rebuilding hunger cues and actually understanding hunger cues is a core part of healing from eating disorders… but of course immediately twists it into a pretzel of bullshit by trying to tie the lack of overeating behavior in her fat friend to the same complete food restriction behavior common in people with the very UNcommon restrictive eating disorders. Because as we know about our dear Virgie, if you aren’t forcing yourself to overconsume food product like garbage at all hours, you’re fatphobic, brainwashed into anorexia by big diet culture, and a secret agent for the cis white patriarchy or some shit. There’s no nuance in eating disorders; if you aren’t fat or don’t want to be, you’re just a manipulative BIGOT!
It’s kind of incredible how close she gets to the truth of how hunger cues actually work and should be used, but just as she’s about to skim the surface of honest scientific truth, she yanks the yolk and does loop de loops around BOPO insanity. She actually has cultivated the perfect art of manipulation through misinformation and false equivalencies. Almost impressive.
Someone might take pride in the fact that they aren’t engaged in eating 24 hours straight, and that’s disordered!! Anorexia for all fat people!!
Oh my god she even admits that recovery requires you to only eat when actually hungry and stop when you’re actually full, not when the whole cake is finally gone. What the fuck Virgie, that’s fatphobic!! Oh my god, without hunger, one might disconnect from their body… surely fat activists don’t already do anything like that.
Finally, she accidentally exposes her true concern with a medication that might help relieve mental and emotional triggers for binging: she doesn’t think hunger is only a physical condition. She knows it is truly a mental and emotional state! That is a normal and healthy analysis! True hunger isn’t an indication that your body needs an appropriate dose of fuel to keep running efficiently, no! Idiots! It’s our beloved bodies protecting our sweet hearts and minds from the cruelties of life and other people, by comforting us with virtuous hyper palatable food substitutes to numb the unresolved anxieties in our minds, of course! The body creature thing is so thoughtful, isn’t it? If we don’t have the urge to constantly eat, misconstruing the ping of poor coping mechanisms with actual hunger cues, then we WILL forget a natural human instinct, how to actually eat! We will revert to a stage that is actual sub-infancy! Horrific but true!
I am 1/3 of the way through. I have to stop pausing.
Chevese sets alarms on her phone to remind herself to snack constantly, because even though her corrective surgery was a failure, she is ALWAYS at risk of falling victim to anorexia and just passing away within a couple of hours. It’s truly inevitable. She was horrified to notice that she was eating less and less with time on Ozempic. She identifies her ‘recovery’ as the one thing in her life she has worked the hardest to achieve, and she will NEVER give that up to evil pharma. She REFUSES to be thin and sickly! The evil Ozempire will never take her alive! So she forces herself to out-eat it. Incredible. Wonder how her diabetes is doing? She tries to maintain her victim status and claims she does sometimes ignore these life saving reminders, though. She’s only human, being manipulated by a shadow government who wants to genocide fatties.
She MUST eat 3 meals a day and 2 snacks, and she can’t eat mindlessly anymore- I mean, intuitively anymore, because she has to work against the ozempic, and that just plain pisses her off doncha know!
Virgie can’t help herself and must interrupt her friends testimony to remind us that the precious fatties who have survived their brushes with diet culture and have lived a life of fragile recovery must fight tooth and nail for their healing, and these silly, trendy, damaging, life saving medications are just making it so hard.
Chevese is pissed because she told her endocrinologist that sometimes she accidentally misses meals bc of the GLP1 and it worries her, and the doctors responded as a sane person would and remarked that it’s okay if she misses lunch sometimes. Naturally Chevese did the logical thing and had a full blown crash out on that doctor, what a total big pharma plant of a bitch, ammirite? She just doesn’t get it! She thinks endocrinologists who do get it are unicorns, and she’s alone in the world, and she must take care of herself because absolutely no one else will… and because she admits that other bitter fat activists will call her ass out if they see her losing weight! The dissonance!
Virgie thinks Chevese’s self care and self advocacy is inspiring. She thinks she learned these incredible, superhuman powers by drinking the body positivity kool-aid, which, as she enlightened us to in episode one, is the current target of the evil, fatphobic, GLP1 industry Ozempire! She’s a true revolutionary. Put her face a block print and sell me a shirt.
Virgie can’t help but point out that Chevese is rare, and that most other low level fatties in the world that aren’t as great as Virgie don’t actually fight the man like they do, or do any due diligence, or practice any caution ever, or demand to be screened for mental health stability because they all obviously have binge eating disorder- I mean, atypical anorexia, the only disorders fatties can actually develop of course. Virgie hasn’t tried to get herself a script for a GLP1, but she KNOWS they wouldn’t screen her, because they only care about eradicating fatties at all costs.
Virgie exclaims that it is absurd that every consumer must have self and situational awareness, be well read and self-informed, and prepare to analyze any treatment plan ever recommended to them by any doctor for any ailment. When will get it, that we are never responsible for anything that happens to us, ever?! It’s the goddamn PATRIARCHY!
Omg, Chevese’s mom also identifies as an eating disorder survivor who was attempting to utilize GLP1s to manage her diabetes. Are we taking bets on the diagnosis? The GLP1 triggered her relapse into ANOREXIA. EVIL.
Chevese airs out her mom’s personal struggles, saying she’s had a lifetime of trauma and is a recovered alcoholic, thanks babe. She said her mom was dealing with diabetes from a much younger age than she was, upwards of 40 years long, and became insulin dependent. Looks like type 2 runs in the family. Her mom’s endo put her on Ozempic and she was SO concerned for her mother, because her mother just wasn’t as recovered and strong as she was, and nobody cares about seniors with eating disorders. She watched her elderly, diabetic mother DROP WEIGHT
. It seemed every week she watched her mom lose weight, and she was so triggered by that! How dare she?! She had to have boundaries with her, she’s a grown woman, goddamnit, 77 years old! She never admits that her mom became unhealthily thin, though… but as she watched her mom ‘disappear and become more unstable’. This past year, her mom’s dog, her closest companion, died. Her mom was hospitalized and very weak from the trauma, and she ended up in an ‘eating disorder establishment’. They took her off the Ozempic, she is obviously in the devastating throes of her disorder again. It was TOTALLY because of the Ozempic, not because she’s fucking old, or that her daughter is a psycho bitch, or that her only companion died, etc. I think it’s pretty fucked up for her to co-opt her mom’s terrible personal story for her own victimhood.Her mom continues to struggle and can barely eat.
Virgie begs us to stop and consider how Chevese’s poor mother did everything correct, and let the doctors try to kill her. Virgie claims the mother’s ANOREXIA relapsed, but Chevese never used that word. Chevese blames all the doctors involved, they’re malicious and don’t know shit about anything. Her mom has congestive heart failure, which they believed would be supported by the GLP1, according to her, and they ignored her desperate pleas to save her dying mother.
Virgie reminds us that medial biases is ever present against the elderly, but even more so with fat bodied people, the most oppressed, of course. So was her mom fat, or just old?
Virgie begs us to listen to the rest of her ‘Interview’ with her friend, where she rambles on angrily about how people just won’t let her eat, what the fuck?! Why won’t they let us eat????? It is illegal for people to recommend anyone eat ever! If you have a fat body, they will force you to lose weight and become healthier and keep you from eating mindlessly!! ITS INHUMANE!!! Weight cycling and dieting is FORCED upon everyone and then we are held responsible for our failures?! What the fuck?!?!
Chevese wonders if anyone bothered to study the effects of GLP1s and cases of malnutrition, in a social media post. The internet CAME for her, she was talked down to, it was SO dehumanizing. Someone had the audacity to tell her that fat people have reserves and are not going to become suddenly malnourished from the medication (hello doctor Now lol), and she was triggered. She KNOWS she’s not a scientist or a doctor, they are so much more educated than her, but it’s a no brainer that everyone will suffer from taking this drug.
Virgie wraps up the episode whining about how we are expected to be healthy because we owe it to society and that’s so not fair. She begs the listener to stop and ask themselves if they or someone they love are at risk of being destroyed by the evil fatphobic medical system, and what you need to do about to protect yourself and them from this malicious, organized malpractice. Your worth is NOT determined by your weight (unless you dare lower it), and your recovery is worth protecting (unless it is real, actual, healthy recovery and isn’t condoned by the HAES movement, in which case GET FUCKED)!
This has been Virgie Tovar, signing off, and that has been the last semblance of my sanity, melting into oblivion. Until next time, fatties!
TL;DR: Virgie hosts a totally impartial and very professional friend, and they discuss how essentially all fatties suffer from eating disorders (THE SKINNY KIND YOU BIGOT), and the evil fatphobic powers that be are using a forced chemical eating disorder to genocide them: the GLP1.
Who wants to bet the 14 year old kid in the article isn't diagnosed with anorexia?
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virgie tovar has built a career over being fat. she talks about how losing weight is impossible, and how fat should be normalized. now there is a drug, that is rapidly dropping in price, that completely destroys her whole thesis
she is freaking out so much because affordable and effective weight loss drugs effectively means the end of her career. if i got a spam email for a real product that was going to basically destroy my livelihood, i'd be freaked out too
It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.' - Upton Sinclair
she is freaking out so much because affordable and effective weight loss drugs effectively means the end of her career. if i got a spam email for a real product that was going to basically destroy my livelihood, i'd be freaked out too
It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.' - Upton Sinclair
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Virgie would benefit enormously from a glp 1. Her skin and the courseness of her facial features suggest a significant inflammatory process.
(Do you remember that poor lady in Malaysia who got pregnant and her face went like that? She’s apparently treating it and it’s some kind of inflammatory thing)
The daft thing is that there is a huge appetite for accounts using them to lose weight. I keep getting served them on instagram. So she could pivot to that, and she could even do it as a health/skin thing. She just doesn’t want to. How stuck do you have to be to not take what is effectively a magic bullet to fix your health problems? This kind of behaviour cements it for me - this level of obesity isn’t simply laziness or letting yourself go or depression or modern life. It’s a genuine addiction and perhaps it doesn’t respond to the same incentives that ‘average obesity’ does. They are terrified of having that source taken away just like an addict would be.
(Do you remember that poor lady in Malaysia who got pregnant and her face went like that? She’s apparently treating it and it’s some kind of inflammatory thing)
The daft thing is that there is a huge appetite for accounts using them to lose weight. I keep getting served them on instagram. So she could pivot to that, and she could even do it as a health/skin thing. She just doesn’t want to. How stuck do you have to be to not take what is effectively a magic bullet to fix your health problems? This kind of behaviour cements it for me - this level of obesity isn’t simply laziness or letting yourself go or depression or modern life. It’s a genuine addiction and perhaps it doesn’t respond to the same incentives that ‘average obesity’ does. They are terrified of having that source taken away just like an addict would be.
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My state is trying to pass a bill that will completely remove my customers' need for the most important service that I offer, but I have still somehow managed to not spiral into psychosis about it. I just make sure to vote and talk to my neighbors about it, prepare for the likelihood that I'll have to get a second job or a new job entirely, etc.
She's malicious, she knows exactly what she's doing. She loves making money off of vulnerable people and being the victim. She gets a huge benefit in a non-monetary way. Her career has always been relatively low-effort compared to most career fields (mines agriculture, this bitch couldn't survive a day), and until she doesn't get the responses she lives for from it, she'll continue to spew bullshit and try to force others to bend to her will while refusing to use her body physically or her mind critically, because she's a sack of sentient shit.
I don't believe that 99.9% of fat activists truly, delusionally believe their own bullshit. She knows better, but she's beyond selfish, she's narcissistic. She's smart enough to know how to research and make a convincing presentation, and she uses those skills to purposefully misconstrue information and deliver arguments after argument in bad faith because she enjoys the way it feeds her ego and wallet, not because it's her religion. She had been working for the city of San Diego as a consultant for their city department of health, and was likely planning this podcast as her next steady income stream. She's fucking stoked that she actually has some content fodder and can reboot the old propaganda machines. She's a huckster and will always have fools to part from their money, and she absolutely knows it at her core. She is 100% taking advantage of the new wave of morons who refuse modern education, regulation, medicine, etc., and she's entirely aware.
Zero empathy from my corner for Virgie.
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GLP1 Truth Serum with Virgie Tovar, Episode Three: A Pediatrician's Warning
TL;DR: Virgie managed to find an FA doctor to 'interview', the only true good kind of doctor who isn't evil and doesn't have a secret agenda. They talk about how CHILDREN ARE BEING ABUSED AND DYING because they're ALL being forced to take GLP1s right now. They provide zero statistics or studies, for or against their argument, so just shut up and take their word for it, dummies. They co-opt real adolescent body image issues as evidence that everyone has an eating disorder (THE SKINNY KIND!) and pharma only exist to murder us with relapse.
A Pediatrician’s Warning
No intro, just rawdogging a fear mongering quote from an unknown voice. Couldn’t even be fucked to get the shitty, royalty free music in the background first. Welcome back folks!
RED ALERT: THEY’RE COMING FOR THE CHILDREN! A pediatrician was presented a child, the parents said they were on a GLP1 and they want their kid on one too and the pediatrician DID IT. And the child LOST WEIGHT, and then went to the mysterious voice with a SEVERE EATING DISORDER AND BODYWEIGHT ISSUES FROM THE MEDICATION. The humanity!!!
The mysterious voice is hearing about the avalanche of patients burdening hospitals with the side effects of the medication; bad heart rhythms, low electrolytes, etc. “Yuuup this is happening, where is the caution?!”
What we just heard is a microscopic part of Virgie’s interview with a one Dr. Lauren Hartman. Let’s look her up, shall we? Surely Virgie wouldn’t “interview” a friend for the second time in a row, right?
Google says:
“Dr. Hartman is double board certified in Adolescent Medicine and Pediatrics. She is known for her patient-centered approach, and has dedicated her career to supporting teens, young adults, and their loved ones as they navigate adolescence. She aims to focus on the strengths in every patient and nurture a sense of hope to help support them to live their most fulfilling and healthy lives.
Medical education and training:
She has held numerous leadership positions, including the chair of adolescent medicine at Kaiser Permanente for Northern California, the director of the pediatric eating disorder program in the East Bay, and served as the West Coast Medical Director at Equip. She also helped create programs and held leadership positions in multidisciplinary programs for gender expansive youth and pediatric autonomic disorders.
With more than a decade of dedicated practice, she has honed her skills in the specialized field of adolescent medicine, particularly in the realm of eating disorders in the hospital, outpatient and virtual settings.
Dr. Hartman is a longstanding member of the Society of Adolescent Health and Medicine (SAHM) and the Academy for Eating Disorders (AED). She is a member of the SAHM Eating Disorder Committee and the Association for Weight and Size Inclusive Medicine (AWSIM). She is also on the legislative committee and the community health committee for the Alameda-Contra Costa Medical Association (ACCMA). She is grateful to live in the beautiful Bay Area alongside her husband, two children, and her dog.”
Straight from her office’s website, https://www.aspengroveayam.com/about-dr-hartman
So she’s actually a doctor at least, working with adolescents and young adults. Specializing in eating disorders? Naturally, there won’t be a single soul in this series without a disorder. And oh, look at that last paragraph, any familiar organizations? She is on the FRONT LINE.
Welcome back!
This is one of the most sobering conversations Virgie has had yet. We’re about to find out what happens when the GLP1 hype COLLIDES with kids’ health. Won’t you think of the children?!
Apparently while the rest of us are singing GLP1s praises, actual pediatricians are silently watching the true horrors unfold; psychiatric issues, malnutrition, and eating disorders!!! We don’t. Have. The data. To tell us what happens when we force GLP1s onto children, we have no idea what’s going to happen!!
Virgie is the global culture representative so her opinion is fact, and there’s a sense in the culture right now that “100% of doctors are on board with prescribing GLP1s and that they are universally celebrated by the medical community”!!! So, Lauren, is that true?!?!
Lauren says that amongst HER colleagues and other doctors SPECIFICALLY with eating disorder expertise, there is a LOT of concern and holding their breath and feeling sooooo anxious, and so afraid of how quickly these meds became popular! Maybe they need therapy too? No, no, they’re doctors, and in this context, they’re infallible! As long as they agree with Virgie!
Apparently there was a study in 2024 that has shown a 600% increase in prescriptions of GLP1s in kids and young adults over the past 3 years!!!!!! (Is there a link or name for the study referenced here, by chance? He’ll fuckin naw get wrecked assholes lol. Who needs context?)
We all know childhood and adolescence is when you’re growing and developing and science and stuff, and so like the panic we have about SUPPRESSING WEIGHT at a time when kids are SUPPOSED to be growing in every POSSIBLE way obviously, and the truth is we don’t have that data!! (That’s not a typo, she just rambled out an incomplete thought.). We don’t know the truth about what happens when we suppress weight in kids! No wait I mean we CERTAINLY know that it without fail causes eating disorders in kids when we suppress their weight, so there’s that. But like long term, omg no one can possibly know and we are all panicking!
Virgie demands that we once again let that sink in! (I think she’s too comfortable watching things sink into the void of fat layering her body, she uses that command far too much.) Bones! Brains! Muscles! Parents are EVIL! They’re asking for prescriptions for their child, and they are GETTING THEM!
Virgie tries to reiterate that these meds aren’t magic, just simple basic appetite suppressors, nothing else whatsoever. (No other benefit or process of operation, nope. Just pure amphetamine abuse, obviously.) But since she has a doctor with her, she’ll make the doctor clarify:
Lauren says essentially the medication mentally decreases hunger cues and makes us feel full even though our stomachs are not full. (Did you know that in order to be healthy, you have to eat so much food every time you eat that one should be able to peer into your mouth and see your last meal? You must be FULL!). In terms of the gut, it’s slows it down, and food just sits there,and there’s like GI symptoms like nausea and vomiting and stomach pain. (Do any doctors whatsoever prescribe, I don’t know, some sort of diet plan or warning about overconsumption or recommended portion size or timed eating plan, since these side effects ARE well known by the medical field and patients alike? Don’t fucking ask, asshole, that’s not the POINT!). She is just SO CONCERNED how easy it is to get these drugs, she had a colleague tell her that they saw it in a hotel lobby (what like in a candy dish? lol) and it was like not in the country but it WAS CLOSE BY and it’s just so easy to access, and there’s a COMPLETE lack of informed consent and it’s not magic and we’ve seen this before! It’s a very similar mechanism we’ve seen for people getting medications before AND the health consequences! It prevents your body from normal functions!!!
Virgie butts in to remind us that it’s not just physically abusive, and that Dr. Lauren refers to our guts as ‘the second brain’ (how convenient for that classic FA concept of the body being a separate entity from the self), but that it ALSO abuses our head brains, too! It affects dopamine and serotonin and google tells Virgie that those regulate MOOD. (any references on this claim? No? Okay cool.)
Virgie says that anyone who already has psychiatric conditions will become distressed and sometimes hospitalized!!!! (It’s incredible that she is on the cutting edge of research for the first medication in the history of humankind to have side effects!)
Lauren says starvation and malnutrition completely impact mood. (I wonder why that’s relevant here, we haven’t proved any links between GLP1s and starvation or malnutrition yet, this is the first mention of these terms, hmmm.). She hears ALL THE TIME from parents with a child who has an eating disorder which caused malnutrition (which certainly couldn’t be ARFID or binge eating junk food, no way, it’s always medically induced or diet culture induced anorexia) that they can’t even recognize their kid! Not physically, just like, who are they?! Their personality has completely changed as a result of the eating disorder! (Definitely not for puberty or anything, don’t worry.)
The BEAUTIFUL AND MIRACULOUS THING is that their beloved baby comes back once the kid is ‘renourished’! It’s the medication of food! Now, randomly, she’s talking specifically about GLP1s again, and that they affect the neurotransmitters, and the reward pathways, so YOU CAN IMAGINE (not ‘there is evidence’) a underlying psychiatric condition, it can be really destabilizing. It’s happening in real time so there’s no way for them to understand it right now, impossible. And no one has access to quality healthcare right now (true, but not a weapon for your arsenal you fucking charlatans), and you can just get it from a hotel lobby (in another country and the feed it to your kids I guess) and there are unknown consequences!!!
Virgie claims that GLP1s only advertise to lose weight NOW and FAST and actively discourage us from thinking about long term consequences and beg us not to mind the man behind the curtain! And we have no agency as a whole so yeah we’re going to do whatever ads tell us, inevitable. She thinks that GLP1s are MORE accessible to most Americans than ANY broad type of medical care (I’m sure the folks who can’t afford to see a doctor are just finding baggies of Ozempic in the park and immediately jabbing themselves, they’re so desperate and it’s so accessible.). The FACT is the American healthcare system isn’t robust enough to deal with the fallout of these medications on large scale!!!! People are disappearing before our eyes overnight and the Christians are freaking out because they think they’ve missed the rapture!!!! These are VERY SERIOUS CONSIDERATIONS we all need to be making.
And when it comes to medical ethics, when a patient is a child, who is really consenting? The parents, doctors, media???? (Again, valid point being misappropriated to push the anti health agenda, how very transparent of you, Virgie)
Lauren thinks about ethics a loooooot, especially in pediatrics and with consent. Lauren actually thinks people are expected to stay on GLP1s for DECADES or potentially THEIR WHOLE LIFE. (Dude I’m a fucking pleb and even I know that these are not lifelong dependencies jfc.). What are the ethics around that?! She’s been challenging herself to continue to ask question and learn (HA), because she does see a problem in the eating disorder field! Eating disorder professionals can be kinda rigid and black and white (do eating disorder specialists need therapy??). There’s supposed to be nuance! How do we honor patient autonomy? How to we make people learn that maybe the choice they made wasn’t a good one? (Once again, co-opting and misusing the fact that people do need to be well informed and practice critical thinking etc. This podcast is truly a masterclass in bad faith argumentation.)
Ope, Dr. Lauren ADMITS she’s the oppressor! She’s in a ‘smaller body’ and has never experienced discrimination!! BITCH!!! She ponders how we can ask questions and change our minds about things. How DO humans have autonomy? The true medical mystery.
Lauren vague-claims about missing ethics, asking questions, and using caution. Because no one ever considers these things, ever, especially in medicine and research. Ever. The research just IS NOT THERE YET!
Virgie reminds us that just because these life saving medications exist, their existence promotes and normalizes WEIGHT STIGMA.
Lauren says the FACT that this is even offered is NAMING the problem! It’s telling you you have a problem, and doesn’t even look at real health markers! (Like the health markers of obesity or binge eating disorders, right?). Just the CONVERSATION about it is creating harm! Oops better delete the podcast, Virgie! It is STIGMATIZING by just existing, and people are forced to cope with it’s existence. The existence of these products FORCES EVERYONE with an eating disorder to suffer and be triggered and lose recovery, it’s inevitable. And obviously eating disorders are RAMPANT and killing us in the billions every day. THE RESTRICTIVE SKINNY KIND, you bigot!!
Lauren thinks a lot about how healthcare is the source of the trauma. She had a young adult in recovery tell her that she doesn’t think she can change the discrimination she feels every day, she can’t change the culture, so she is FORCED to relapse and take the drugs if she wants to survive persecution! (Because the stigma and discrimination are against skinny people, right? Because the drug forces you to be… skinny? So if you’re forced to relapse on your ED, then you must be underweight, and they’re forcing you to stay underweight, right? Virgie’s problem is with people who are unhealthy and severely underweight, right??? I need a map.). Her patient knows it’s wrong but she MUST obey the system!
Virgie opines about her childhood, how she fantasized about EXTREME SELF HARM just to be thin. Do you think baby Virgie once though she could *gasp* NOT eat cake?!?! I can’t, it’s too painful.
Dr. Lauren wants all kids to know that they aren’t unhealthy in anyway, they are okay the way they are, they’re just at the doctors office for funsies. They DONT need this medication! They’re SAFER WITHOUT IT! We need to tell children that it’s SOCIETYS FAULT and we need to do a better job making them feel safe. (Better make sure their school doesn’t have a health and nutrition course while we’re at it, wouldn’t want any oppression to seep in.) she just doesn’t want them to feel alone, and she describes loneliness, in case we were confused.
Virgie asks Lauren the difference between the doctor enthusiastically throwing GLP1 scripts at everyone like Mardi gras beads in New Orleans versus the doctor who uses critical thinking first. Lauren’s specialty is eating disorders, so she has seen the harms of eating disorders. So in her opinion, she is the worlds expert on medications that CAUSE eating disorders and so when she sees them in the wild she instinctually knows they are bad. And when she thinks of the evil doctors that actually prescribe these meds, it’s obviously just a diabetes specialist, and they have accidentally equated health and weight, and they ONLY prescribe these to protect their patients from WEIGHT and definitely never diabetes and they’re just misguided, poor souls.
Lauren thinks all doctors are doing their best in the only way they know how, but they’re just not communicating, so people like her who are bravely raising the alarm and desperately trying to save lives are just going unheard. Medicine is pretty siloed (???). She wishes that doctors could just find a way to talk to each other. But clearly they’re different species to there is just no way to break through that language barrier. Big Bad Pharma would be SO MAD if they figured out how to communicate with each other, el oh el, but like if they could just figure out sleep hygiene and relationship dynamics and touching grass and having BALANCED NUTRITION (oh the irony), REGARDLESS OF WEIGHT, it would be far more helpful.
EVERY INSTITUTION SHE HAS EVER WORKED WITH has this issue, it’s bipartisan voting all over again. They just can’t come to terms and get along, it’s impossible! And those poor patients are in the crossfire.
Virgie wraps it up asking Lauren what the parents considering putting their child or themselves on a GLP1 should be asking themselves first.
Lauren would encourage them to be clear about their reason for wanting the meds. She has seen people who hoped that the meds would help their mood (??) or body image issues, only to find that those get WORSE on the meds and it’s too late and you can never stop a medication once you start it we all know this and there’s probably a safer way to improve your mental health, dummies. Think about it, is it even YOUR goal, you brainwashed piece of shit? Or is it SOCIETYS goal and you have no self control or autonomy because you’re an idiot and not a doctor like me? YOU DO NOT HAVE TO TAKE THIS MEDICATION! (Right they’re forcing it on us but we can also say no if we just stop being idiots, duh.This is a very novel thought.) Think about if you are vulnerable to spooky ookie EATING DISORDERS! The thin kind only, obviously. What if you want to stop it?? Is it possible??? You’re not alone! You need to listen to ME!
Virgie wants us to at least take this ONE THING from her episode: GLP1s come with a cost for children not yet studied and tested and published by anyone anywhere ever, so WATCH THE FUCK OUT!
She thanks her guest for her honesty, bravery, and commitment to kids who deserve more than shame from the fatphobic patriarchy. PLEASE share this episode; the GLP1 mythology is powerful, but the TRUTH is more important! (Fucking lol)
She’s Virgie Tovar, and until next time, don’t believe the hype! Unless it’s coming from her obviously!!
No intro, just rawdogging a fear mongering quote from an unknown voice. Couldn’t even be fucked to get the shitty, royalty free music in the background first. Welcome back folks!
RED ALERT: THEY’RE COMING FOR THE CHILDREN! A pediatrician was presented a child, the parents said they were on a GLP1 and they want their kid on one too and the pediatrician DID IT. And the child LOST WEIGHT, and then went to the mysterious voice with a SEVERE EATING DISORDER AND BODYWEIGHT ISSUES FROM THE MEDICATION. The humanity!!!
The mysterious voice is hearing about the avalanche of patients burdening hospitals with the side effects of the medication; bad heart rhythms, low electrolytes, etc. “Yuuup this is happening, where is the caution?!”
What we just heard is a microscopic part of Virgie’s interview with a one Dr. Lauren Hartman. Let’s look her up, shall we? Surely Virgie wouldn’t “interview” a friend for the second time in a row, right?
Google says:
“Dr. Hartman is double board certified in Adolescent Medicine and Pediatrics. She is known for her patient-centered approach, and has dedicated her career to supporting teens, young adults, and their loved ones as they navigate adolescence. She aims to focus on the strengths in every patient and nurture a sense of hope to help support them to live their most fulfilling and healthy lives.
Medical education and training:
- Medical School: University of Virginia School of Medicine
- Pediatric Residency: Brown University
- Chief Resident: Brown University
- Adolescent Medicine Fellowship: University of California, San Francisco
She has held numerous leadership positions, including the chair of adolescent medicine at Kaiser Permanente for Northern California, the director of the pediatric eating disorder program in the East Bay, and served as the West Coast Medical Director at Equip. She also helped create programs and held leadership positions in multidisciplinary programs for gender expansive youth and pediatric autonomic disorders.
With more than a decade of dedicated practice, she has honed her skills in the specialized field of adolescent medicine, particularly in the realm of eating disorders in the hospital, outpatient and virtual settings.
Dr. Hartman is a longstanding member of the Society of Adolescent Health and Medicine (SAHM) and the Academy for Eating Disorders (AED). She is a member of the SAHM Eating Disorder Committee and the Association for Weight and Size Inclusive Medicine (AWSIM). She is also on the legislative committee and the community health committee for the Alameda-Contra Costa Medical Association (ACCMA). She is grateful to live in the beautiful Bay Area alongside her husband, two children, and her dog.”
Straight from her office’s website, https://www.aspengroveayam.com/about-dr-hartman
So she’s actually a doctor at least, working with adolescents and young adults. Specializing in eating disorders? Naturally, there won’t be a single soul in this series without a disorder. And oh, look at that last paragraph, any familiar organizations? She is on the FRONT LINE.
Welcome back!
This is one of the most sobering conversations Virgie has had yet. We’re about to find out what happens when the GLP1 hype COLLIDES with kids’ health. Won’t you think of the children?!
Apparently while the rest of us are singing GLP1s praises, actual pediatricians are silently watching the true horrors unfold; psychiatric issues, malnutrition, and eating disorders!!! We don’t. Have. The data. To tell us what happens when we force GLP1s onto children, we have no idea what’s going to happen!!
Virgie is the global culture representative so her opinion is fact, and there’s a sense in the culture right now that “100% of doctors are on board with prescribing GLP1s and that they are universally celebrated by the medical community”!!! So, Lauren, is that true?!?!
Lauren says that amongst HER colleagues and other doctors SPECIFICALLY with eating disorder expertise, there is a LOT of concern and holding their breath and feeling sooooo anxious, and so afraid of how quickly these meds became popular! Maybe they need therapy too? No, no, they’re doctors, and in this context, they’re infallible! As long as they agree with Virgie!
Apparently there was a study in 2024 that has shown a 600% increase in prescriptions of GLP1s in kids and young adults over the past 3 years!!!!!! (Is there a link or name for the study referenced here, by chance? He’ll fuckin naw get wrecked assholes lol. Who needs context?)
We all know childhood and adolescence is when you’re growing and developing and science and stuff, and so like the panic we have about SUPPRESSING WEIGHT at a time when kids are SUPPOSED to be growing in every POSSIBLE way obviously, and the truth is we don’t have that data!! (That’s not a typo, she just rambled out an incomplete thought.). We don’t know the truth about what happens when we suppress weight in kids! No wait I mean we CERTAINLY know that it without fail causes eating disorders in kids when we suppress their weight, so there’s that. But like long term, omg no one can possibly know and we are all panicking!
Virgie demands that we once again let that sink in! (I think she’s too comfortable watching things sink into the void of fat layering her body, she uses that command far too much.) Bones! Brains! Muscles! Parents are EVIL! They’re asking for prescriptions for their child, and they are GETTING THEM!
Virgie tries to reiterate that these meds aren’t magic, just simple basic appetite suppressors, nothing else whatsoever. (No other benefit or process of operation, nope. Just pure amphetamine abuse, obviously.) But since she has a doctor with her, she’ll make the doctor clarify:
Lauren says essentially the medication mentally decreases hunger cues and makes us feel full even though our stomachs are not full. (Did you know that in order to be healthy, you have to eat so much food every time you eat that one should be able to peer into your mouth and see your last meal? You must be FULL!). In terms of the gut, it’s slows it down, and food just sits there,and there’s like GI symptoms like nausea and vomiting and stomach pain. (Do any doctors whatsoever prescribe, I don’t know, some sort of diet plan or warning about overconsumption or recommended portion size or timed eating plan, since these side effects ARE well known by the medical field and patients alike? Don’t fucking ask, asshole, that’s not the POINT!). She is just SO CONCERNED how easy it is to get these drugs, she had a colleague tell her that they saw it in a hotel lobby (what like in a candy dish? lol) and it was like not in the country but it WAS CLOSE BY and it’s just so easy to access, and there’s a COMPLETE lack of informed consent and it’s not magic and we’ve seen this before! It’s a very similar mechanism we’ve seen for people getting medications before AND the health consequences! It prevents your body from normal functions!!!
Virgie butts in to remind us that it’s not just physically abusive, and that Dr. Lauren refers to our guts as ‘the second brain’ (how convenient for that classic FA concept of the body being a separate entity from the self), but that it ALSO abuses our head brains, too! It affects dopamine and serotonin and google tells Virgie that those regulate MOOD. (any references on this claim? No? Okay cool.)
Virgie says that anyone who already has psychiatric conditions will become distressed and sometimes hospitalized!!!! (It’s incredible that she is on the cutting edge of research for the first medication in the history of humankind to have side effects!)
Lauren says starvation and malnutrition completely impact mood. (I wonder why that’s relevant here, we haven’t proved any links between GLP1s and starvation or malnutrition yet, this is the first mention of these terms, hmmm.). She hears ALL THE TIME from parents with a child who has an eating disorder which caused malnutrition (which certainly couldn’t be ARFID or binge eating junk food, no way, it’s always medically induced or diet culture induced anorexia) that they can’t even recognize their kid! Not physically, just like, who are they?! Their personality has completely changed as a result of the eating disorder! (Definitely not for puberty or anything, don’t worry.)
The BEAUTIFUL AND MIRACULOUS THING is that their beloved baby comes back once the kid is ‘renourished’! It’s the medication of food! Now, randomly, she’s talking specifically about GLP1s again, and that they affect the neurotransmitters, and the reward pathways, so YOU CAN IMAGINE (not ‘there is evidence’) a underlying psychiatric condition, it can be really destabilizing. It’s happening in real time so there’s no way for them to understand it right now, impossible. And no one has access to quality healthcare right now (true, but not a weapon for your arsenal you fucking charlatans), and you can just get it from a hotel lobby (in another country and the feed it to your kids I guess) and there are unknown consequences!!!
Virgie claims that GLP1s only advertise to lose weight NOW and FAST and actively discourage us from thinking about long term consequences and beg us not to mind the man behind the curtain! And we have no agency as a whole so yeah we’re going to do whatever ads tell us, inevitable. She thinks that GLP1s are MORE accessible to most Americans than ANY broad type of medical care (I’m sure the folks who can’t afford to see a doctor are just finding baggies of Ozempic in the park and immediately jabbing themselves, they’re so desperate and it’s so accessible.). The FACT is the American healthcare system isn’t robust enough to deal with the fallout of these medications on large scale!!!! People are disappearing before our eyes overnight and the Christians are freaking out because they think they’ve missed the rapture!!!! These are VERY SERIOUS CONSIDERATIONS we all need to be making.
And when it comes to medical ethics, when a patient is a child, who is really consenting? The parents, doctors, media???? (Again, valid point being misappropriated to push the anti health agenda, how very transparent of you, Virgie)
Lauren thinks about ethics a loooooot, especially in pediatrics and with consent. Lauren actually thinks people are expected to stay on GLP1s for DECADES or potentially THEIR WHOLE LIFE. (Dude I’m a fucking pleb and even I know that these are not lifelong dependencies jfc.). What are the ethics around that?! She’s been challenging herself to continue to ask question and learn (HA), because she does see a problem in the eating disorder field! Eating disorder professionals can be kinda rigid and black and white (do eating disorder specialists need therapy??). There’s supposed to be nuance! How do we honor patient autonomy? How to we make people learn that maybe the choice they made wasn’t a good one? (Once again, co-opting and misusing the fact that people do need to be well informed and practice critical thinking etc. This podcast is truly a masterclass in bad faith argumentation.)
Ope, Dr. Lauren ADMITS she’s the oppressor! She’s in a ‘smaller body’ and has never experienced discrimination!! BITCH!!! She ponders how we can ask questions and change our minds about things. How DO humans have autonomy? The true medical mystery.
Lauren vague-claims about missing ethics, asking questions, and using caution. Because no one ever considers these things, ever, especially in medicine and research. Ever. The research just IS NOT THERE YET!
Virgie reminds us that just because these life saving medications exist, their existence promotes and normalizes WEIGHT STIGMA.
Lauren says the FACT that this is even offered is NAMING the problem! It’s telling you you have a problem, and doesn’t even look at real health markers! (Like the health markers of obesity or binge eating disorders, right?). Just the CONVERSATION about it is creating harm! Oops better delete the podcast, Virgie! It is STIGMATIZING by just existing, and people are forced to cope with it’s existence. The existence of these products FORCES EVERYONE with an eating disorder to suffer and be triggered and lose recovery, it’s inevitable. And obviously eating disorders are RAMPANT and killing us in the billions every day. THE RESTRICTIVE SKINNY KIND, you bigot!!
Lauren thinks a lot about how healthcare is the source of the trauma. She had a young adult in recovery tell her that she doesn’t think she can change the discrimination she feels every day, she can’t change the culture, so she is FORCED to relapse and take the drugs if she wants to survive persecution! (Because the stigma and discrimination are against skinny people, right? Because the drug forces you to be… skinny? So if you’re forced to relapse on your ED, then you must be underweight, and they’re forcing you to stay underweight, right? Virgie’s problem is with people who are unhealthy and severely underweight, right??? I need a map.). Her patient knows it’s wrong but she MUST obey the system!
Virgie opines about her childhood, how she fantasized about EXTREME SELF HARM just to be thin. Do you think baby Virgie once though she could *gasp* NOT eat cake?!?! I can’t, it’s too painful
.Dr. Lauren wants all kids to know that they aren’t unhealthy in anyway, they are okay the way they are, they’re just at the doctors office for funsies. They DONT need this medication! They’re SAFER WITHOUT IT! We need to tell children that it’s SOCIETYS FAULT and we need to do a better job making them feel safe. (Better make sure their school doesn’t have a health and nutrition course while we’re at it, wouldn’t want any oppression to seep in.) she just doesn’t want them to feel alone, and she describes loneliness, in case we were confused.
Virgie asks Lauren the difference between the doctor enthusiastically throwing GLP1 scripts at everyone like Mardi gras beads in New Orleans versus the doctor who uses critical thinking first. Lauren’s specialty is eating disorders, so she has seen the harms of eating disorders. So in her opinion, she is the worlds expert on medications that CAUSE eating disorders and so when she sees them in the wild she instinctually knows they are bad. And when she thinks of the evil doctors that actually prescribe these meds, it’s obviously just a diabetes specialist, and they have accidentally equated health and weight, and they ONLY prescribe these to protect their patients from WEIGHT and definitely never diabetes and they’re just misguided, poor souls.
Lauren thinks all doctors are doing their best in the only way they know how, but they’re just not communicating, so people like her who are bravely raising the alarm and desperately trying to save lives are just going unheard. Medicine is pretty siloed (???). She wishes that doctors could just find a way to talk to each other. But clearly they’re different species to there is just no way to break through that language barrier. Big Bad Pharma would be SO MAD if they figured out how to communicate with each other, el oh el, but like if they could just figure out sleep hygiene and relationship dynamics and touching grass and having BALANCED NUTRITION (oh the irony), REGARDLESS OF WEIGHT, it would be far more helpful.
EVERY INSTITUTION SHE HAS EVER WORKED WITH has this issue, it’s bipartisan voting all over again. They just can’t come to terms and get along, it’s impossible! And those poor patients are in the crossfire.
Virgie wraps it up asking Lauren what the parents considering putting their child or themselves on a GLP1 should be asking themselves first.
Lauren would encourage them to be clear about their reason for wanting the meds. She has seen people who hoped that the meds would help their mood (??) or body image issues, only to find that those get WORSE on the meds and it’s too late and you can never stop a medication once you start it we all know this and there’s probably a safer way to improve your mental health, dummies. Think about it, is it even YOUR goal, you brainwashed piece of shit? Or is it SOCIETYS goal and you have no self control or autonomy because you’re an idiot and not a doctor like me? YOU DO NOT HAVE TO TAKE THIS MEDICATION! (Right they’re forcing it on us but we can also say no if we just stop being idiots, duh.This is a very novel thought.) Think about if you are vulnerable to spooky ookie EATING DISORDERS! The thin kind only, obviously. What if you want to stop it?? Is it possible??? You’re not alone! You need to listen to ME!
Virgie wants us to at least take this ONE THING from her episode: GLP1s come with a cost for children not yet studied and tested and published by anyone anywhere ever, so WATCH THE FUCK OUT!
She thanks her guest for her honesty, bravery, and commitment to kids who deserve more than shame from the fatphobic patriarchy. PLEASE share this episode; the GLP1 mythology is powerful, but the TRUTH is more important! (Fucking lol)
She’s Virgie Tovar, and until next time, don’t believe the hype! Unless it’s coming from her obviously!!
TL;DR: Virgie managed to find an FA doctor to 'interview', the only true good kind of doctor who isn't evil and doesn't have a secret agenda. They talk about how CHILDREN ARE BEING ABUSED AND DYING because they're ALL being forced to take GLP1s right now. They provide zero statistics or studies, for or against their argument, so just shut up and take their word for it, dummies. They co-opt real adolescent body image issues as evidence that everyone has an eating disorder (THE SKINNY KIND!) and pharma only exist to murder us with relapse.
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I know I'd greatly appreciate crossposting here. I'm a lazy sack of shit and don't have Virgie on my list of threads to haunt, so I only catch her in Fat Acceptance. TY for the valuable service you're providing listening to her absolute bullshit.I think I'll move stuff over, and crosspost here if people don't want to watch multiple threads
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This fucking bitch, if anything is "dying", it's Vrigie's HAES grift and she damn well knows it. She and their ilk are now in the fearmongering phase and honestly, I don't even think it's working. Maybe there's a few smooth brained people out there who believe her, but actual proof proves otherwise.
I've said it plenty of times before but it bears repeating: these types of people are so vehemently "my body, my choice" (not just in the abortion sense but medically and nutritionally speaking, too) and encourage others to follow it, but they sure seem to love controlling other peoples' bodies and choices when it comes to how they choose to take care of it the moment someone announces they are going to be going on Zepbound/Wegovy.
And frankly, if a kid isn't T1D, is obese, and has to be on a GLP-1, then that's the fault of the parents making piss poor nutritional choices for their child.
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I listened to episode 5 of Virgie’s podcast, the one about how food noise is actually just regular hunger and you should always listen to it, and it’s good to gain weight to cure binge eating habits.
Really evil stuff. Like she’s actively trying to sabotage the eating habits of others, Ashley Isaacs style.
Really evil stuff. Like she’s actively trying to sabotage the eating habits of others, Ashley Isaacs style.
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In the Fat Acceptance thread, I was listening to the podcast and doing snarky recaps. @HamFan told me Virgie has her own thread, so I decided to post the recaps here as well so we can all suffer together from Virgie’s lunacy.
I hope you all enjoy!
GLP1 Truth Serum with Virgie Tovar, Episode One: Art of War
TL;DR: Virgie is a cultural war lord, protecting the vulnerable and much more stupid than her population of the world from the Evil Fatphobic Pharma Corps who have CLEARLY attempted to infiltrate her VERY SUCCESSFUL AND POWERFUL BOPO MOVEMENT because she received an incredibly common spam email to be sponsored by a GLP1 company. Don't worry guys, she refuses to step down and be defeated, so there's many more episodes of delusional drivel to come!!!
I hope you all enjoy!
GLP1 Truth Serum with Virgie Tovar, Episode One: Art of War
Dateline-esque music plays and she jumps right in with her best Sarah Koenig impression. I'm impressed they were able to edit out all the snorts and heaving breathing.
It starts... With a GLP1 collab offer email from a marketer! She can't understand how this happened, it's so off-brand for her, don't they know that?! She has ALWAYS done everything she can to fight the death cult of fat culture!
SHE CLAIMS SHE'S A RECOVERED ANOREXIC She brags about her 'credentials' as a fat warrior.
She's so smart and brave, she just deletes the obviously accidental email. BUT MORE COME?! The only possible explanation for this experience that every self-identified influencer has lived in the past year or so? It's a conspiracy against HER SPECIFICALLY (and probably other fats)! It's targeted! This is evidence of tactical evil! Because EVERYONE knows who she is and what she stands for, duh, she's incredibly famous and successful, so the only logical conclusion is CONSPIRACY!!!
She's going to prove that GLP1s ONLY exist for corporations to be fatphobic and make a profit. She's a detective, y'all.
I had to listen to this nonsense on 1.5 speed.
To understand GLP1s, we have to know their Wikipedia definition, so she attempts to define them with absolutely no bias, I'm sure. They're supposed to be a diabetes medicine, but evil fatphobic corporations actually discovered that GLP1s were their nuclear bomb, and they IMMEDIATELY deployed it upon the innocent, unsuspecting fat masses for optimal destruction. She very purposefully glazes over the fact that it took decades of testing and proving for the medication to hit the market just for diabetes, let alone weight control. It doesn't fit the Big Bad Pharma narrative!
Claims influencers were infiltrated and paid by this secret cabal overnight, and the flood of the market began. Inserts highly curated media clips to build listener anxiety. She interjects with ye olde false argument of 'weight cycling' and 'diets don't work', without including any references or proof, of course, or how people who have successfully used GLP1s actually have access to making mental and lifestyle changes that keep them from getting trapped in dieting cycles. She scare mongers with cherry picked statistics lobbed in rapid fire about increased hospital visits from people on Ozempic, how the population of Ozempic users has tripled in the last few months... Almost as if accessibility has anything to do with it?
Uses false equivalencies between GLP1 use and mental health hospitalizations as some terrifying gotcha. She's so transparent with her shit journalism, if it wasn't so obviously flailing it would be offensive. She begs an answer to why users of GLP1s don't stay on them forever, as if that isn't a feature of how they work lol. It's not nefarious, it's a healthy, short term medical option for getting your weight and behavior under control, you daft bint!
False equivalencies fly everywhere. She desperately leans on old Fat Acceptance talking points, claiming that there is NO SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE that not being a massive fat ass is better in any way than being a massive fat ass.
SHE ACTUALLY REFERENCES SUN TZU'S ART OF WAR. The title is not tongue in cheek, it is genuine. A stock clip of swordfighting plays in the background as this incredible ancient tactician warns us that there is a battle tactic far more insidious than straightforward confrontation: Destroying leaders to demoralize the army. She believes the battlefield is social media, and saintly activists like HERSELF obviously are the leaders, being attacked by this fatphobic illuminati in order to demoralize her army of fat activists and bring them down from the inside, of course!!!! The email ad is a TRAP!!
She knows it's true because that's the ONLY way her fellow Body Positivity leaders fell to the temptations of the magic bullet! The media NEVER talks bad about GLP1s, but they ALWAYS attack body positivity, and have been writing propagandist headlines about how the movement is dead!!! It definitely wasn't the fact that all these miserable fatties who had previously given up on trying to be healthier because it's harder than being gluttonous just jumped on the first opportunity of the perceived magic bullet that crossed their path, nuh uh no way!
She attempts to conflate influencer sponsorship morality and general normal advertising with insidious manipulation, as if she's the only person in the world to see how dangerous being sold anything could be. She claims this is happening not actually to sell a weight loss drug, but JUST to destroy the body positive movement. These masterminds clearly studied Sun Tzu, but she has studied harder! She knows devious marketing when she sees it!
She inserts old 'appetite suppressant' ads to conflate the concept of forcing you to starve your poor body for thinness and submission to a greater controlling government power with how GLP1s work. Claims they only exist to do this, to destroy the concept of fat people existing, despite only moments ago in her own intro having told us the brief and redacted history of GLP1s, and how they are a diabetes medication that also coincidentally help people lose weight and keep it off. Almost as if the predominance of obesity related type 2 diabetes prompted the development of this highly effective and helpful drug... Nah, it's all a conspiracy from the fat hating government, duh! Genocide the fatties!!!
Oh god, she saw straight through their clever marketing; appetite suppression, caloric deprivation??? You mean, DIETING??? GOTCHA!!! You evil overlords can't fool Virgie, she's too powerful!!
Oh no, some people on these meds forget to eat, or only eat half a meal!! Oh, the humanity!!! It is truly a personal attack to her that anyone could possibly behave in a way that isn't pure, uncut gluttony. Not shoving food into your face constantly? Fatphobic piece of shit!! You're probably racist and sexist too, obvi. Don't ask why, she can say that and you're not allowed to argue because you are the oppressor.
GLP1s are equivalent to wiring someone's jaw shut against their will so they starve themselves into submission, and it's not shocking to us to see it because we're desensitized by media to think not being gigantic blobs is possibly a good thing. We don't think critically when we're faced with optional weight loss, it's a control tactic she calls the 'moral loophole' that these corporations have trained us to expect and accept. We're victims to their power, she's the only one with the clarity to see the truth!! Sheeple!!
She conflates the mental deterioration from actual physical starvation with someone just not eating more than they could possibly ever need on a daily basis and how it's dangerous deprivation. She is a recovered anorexic, after all, she should know. She thinks people like herself 'change history' and save lives, and the fact that she has even received these carpet bomb emails from the algorithm's spam bots based on her own content tags that are clearly not personalized and sent to any so-called influencer in an attempt to get cheap advertising is clear evidence that this is all actually a GRAND CONSPIRACY! They are evil, manipulative masterminds, she is the Great Leader of the bopo movement, and they know that if they can take her DOWN, the empire of fat activism will crumble!!
But they underestimate her, you see. She is incredible. She is smarter than literally everyone. She's going to FIGHT. BACK.
If you got this far holy shit I think I lost my mind, don't listen to insane people when you're sleep deprived lol. She wrote, edited, and produced this pile of steaming horseshit, of course. Who in their right mind would support her in this bizarre self-victimizing behavior?
It starts... With a GLP1 collab offer email from a marketer! She can't understand how this happened, it's so off-brand for her, don't they know that?! She has ALWAYS done everything she can to fight the death cult of fat culture!
SHE CLAIMS SHE'S A RECOVERED ANOREXIC
She brags about her 'credentials' as a fat warrior.She's so smart and brave, she just deletes the obviously accidental email. BUT MORE COME?! The only possible explanation for this experience that every self-identified influencer has lived in the past year or so? It's a conspiracy against HER SPECIFICALLY (and probably other fats)! It's targeted! This is evidence of tactical evil! Because EVERYONE knows who she is and what she stands for, duh, she's incredibly famous and successful, so the only logical conclusion is CONSPIRACY!!!
She's going to prove that GLP1s ONLY exist for corporations to be fatphobic and make a profit. She's a detective, y'all.
I had to listen to this nonsense on 1.5 speed.
To understand GLP1s, we have to know their Wikipedia definition, so she attempts to define them with absolutely no bias, I'm sure. They're supposed to be a diabetes medicine, but evil fatphobic corporations actually discovered that GLP1s were their nuclear bomb, and they IMMEDIATELY deployed it upon the innocent, unsuspecting fat masses for optimal destruction. She very purposefully glazes over the fact that it took decades of testing and proving for the medication to hit the market just for diabetes, let alone weight control. It doesn't fit the Big Bad Pharma narrative!
Claims influencers were infiltrated and paid by this secret cabal overnight, and the flood of the market began. Inserts highly curated media clips to build listener anxiety. She interjects with ye olde false argument of 'weight cycling' and 'diets don't work', without including any references or proof, of course, or how people who have successfully used GLP1s actually have access to making mental and lifestyle changes that keep them from getting trapped in dieting cycles. She scare mongers with cherry picked statistics lobbed in rapid fire about increased hospital visits from people on Ozempic, how the population of Ozempic users has tripled in the last few months... Almost as if accessibility has anything to do with it?
Uses false equivalencies between GLP1 use and mental health hospitalizations as some terrifying gotcha. She's so transparent with her shit journalism, if it wasn't so obviously flailing it would be offensive. She begs an answer to why users of GLP1s don't stay on them forever, as if that isn't a feature of how they work lol. It's not nefarious, it's a healthy, short term medical option for getting your weight and behavior under control, you daft bint!
False equivalencies fly everywhere. She desperately leans on old Fat Acceptance talking points, claiming that there is NO SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE that not being a massive fat ass is better in any way than being a massive fat ass.
SHE ACTUALLY REFERENCES SUN TZU'S ART OF WAR
. The title is not tongue in cheek, it is genuine. A stock clip of swordfighting plays in the background as this incredible ancient tactician warns us that there is a battle tactic far more insidious than straightforward confrontation: Destroying leaders to demoralize the army. She believes the battlefield is social media, and saintly activists like HERSELF obviously are the leaders, being attacked by this fatphobic illuminati in order to demoralize her army of fat activists and bring them down from the inside, of course!!!! The email ad is a TRAP!!She knows it's true because that's the ONLY way her fellow Body Positivity leaders fell to the temptations of the magic bullet! The media NEVER talks bad about GLP1s, but they ALWAYS attack body positivity, and have been writing propagandist headlines about how the movement is dead!!! It definitely wasn't the fact that all these miserable fatties who had previously given up on trying to be healthier because it's harder than being gluttonous just jumped on the first opportunity of the perceived magic bullet that crossed their path, nuh uh no way!
She attempts to conflate influencer sponsorship morality and general normal advertising with insidious manipulation, as if she's the only person in the world to see how dangerous being sold anything could be. She claims this is happening not actually to sell a weight loss drug, but JUST to destroy the body positive movement. These masterminds clearly studied Sun Tzu, but she has studied harder! She knows devious marketing when she sees it!
She inserts old 'appetite suppressant' ads to conflate the concept of forcing you to starve your poor body for thinness and submission to a greater controlling government power with how GLP1s work. Claims they only exist to do this, to destroy the concept of fat people existing, despite only moments ago in her own intro having told us the brief and redacted history of GLP1s, and how they are a diabetes medication that also coincidentally help people lose weight and keep it off. Almost as if the predominance of obesity related type 2 diabetes prompted the development of this highly effective and helpful drug... Nah, it's all a conspiracy from the fat hating government, duh! Genocide the fatties!!!
Oh god, she saw straight through their clever marketing; appetite suppression, caloric deprivation??? You mean, DIETING??? GOTCHA!!! You evil overlords can't fool Virgie, she's too powerful!!
Oh no, some people on these meds forget to eat, or only eat half a meal!! Oh, the humanity!!! It is truly a personal attack to her that anyone could possibly behave in a way that isn't pure, uncut gluttony. Not shoving food into your face constantly? Fatphobic piece of shit!! You're probably racist and sexist too, obvi. Don't ask why, she can say that and you're not allowed to argue because you are the oppressor.
GLP1s are equivalent to wiring someone's jaw shut against their will so they starve themselves into submission, and it's not shocking to us to see it because we're desensitized by media to think not being gigantic blobs is possibly a good thing. We don't think critically when we're faced with optional weight loss, it's a control tactic she calls the 'moral loophole' that these corporations have trained us to expect and accept. We're victims to their power, she's the only one with the clarity to see the truth!! Sheeple!!
She conflates the mental deterioration from actual physical starvation with someone just not eating more than they could possibly ever need on a daily basis and how it's dangerous deprivation. She is a recovered anorexic, after all, she should know. She thinks people like herself 'change history' and save lives, and the fact that she has even received these carpet bomb emails from the algorithm's spam bots based on her own content tags that are clearly not personalized and sent to any so-called influencer in an attempt to get cheap advertising is clear evidence that this is all actually a GRAND CONSPIRACY! They are evil, manipulative masterminds, she is the Great Leader of the bopo movement, and they know that if they can take her DOWN, the empire of fat activism will crumble!!
But they underestimate her, you see. She is incredible. She is smarter than literally everyone. She's going to FIGHT. BACK.
If you got this far holy shit I think I lost my mind, don't listen to insane people when you're sleep deprived lol. She wrote, edited, and produced this pile of steaming horseshit, of course. Who in their right mind would support her in this bizarre self-victimizing behavior?
TL;DR: Virgie is a cultural war lord, protecting the vulnerable and much more stupid than her population of the world from the Evil Fatphobic Pharma Corps who have CLEARLY attempted to infiltrate her VERY SUCCESSFUL AND POWERFUL BOPO MOVEMENT because she received an incredibly common spam email to be sponsored by a GLP1 company. Don't worry guys, she refuses to step down and be defeated, so there's many more episodes of delusional drivel to come!!!
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GLP1 Truth Serum with Virgie Tovar, Episode Two: Collateral Damage
TL;DR: Virgie hosts a totally impartial and very professional friend, and they discuss how essentially all fatties suffer from eating disorders (THE SKINNY KIND YOU BIGOT), and the evil fatphobic powers that be are using a forced chemical eating disorder to genocide them: the GLP1.
The Ozempire Strikes Back!
She comes in HOT with a direct reference to an article from Business Insider about the “hidden dangers of ozempic: eating disorder recovery”. Oh boy, I love being hand fed an actual reference. Naturally, this article is penned by a very cranky-faced fat woman.
You can read the article for yourself here.
She quotes this line, about halfway through the article:
“Experts warn that these medications can trigger new eating disorders, worsen existing ones, and complicate recovery. Brittany Lacour, the national director of clinical assessment intake at Eating Recovery Centers, with programs across the country, said the number of people who had come into ERC already on a GLP-1 went from 11 in 2023 to 31 in 2024. So far, there have been 14 cases in 2025, including a 14-year-old child.”
No, she doesn’t tell you how significant those numbers and patients’ cases are in the grand scheme of eating disorder treatment patients. Is it even 1% of the usual population? Did the population of patients increase as a whole as well? Were those patients admitted and already on GLP1s obese or diagnosed with binge eating disorders? Who fucking knows, those questions don’t mean SHIT to a true social justice warrior like Virgie!
She claims GLP1s are being pushed as neutral health interventions. Bitch where?!?! I have never heard it presented as anything other than a dependable treatment for diabetes and significant weightloss, specifically. Clearly, She’s uncovered this dark cabal of doctors who are prescribing drugs, Willy nilly, to anyone and everyone with absolutely NO screening and NO history checks! Yes, Virgie, pill pushing corruption has plagued doctors since before you were alive, this isn’t novel. You aren’t uncovering the secret dark truth of the next great opioid epidemic, you’re literally utilizing free online no-think opinion pieces that are hand feeding you snippets of info, which you are then isolating and cloaking in the disguise of hard evidence for your great conspiracy. Wait until she hears about all of the online fraudsters that were handing out Adderall scripts and ADHD diagnoses to tiktokers like candy in 2020!
I am 1 minute in, btw. She calls it the ozempire, I actually fucking love that.
She is Virgie Tovar, the ONLY human in the world truly scrutinizing the evil ozempire! FOR YOU!! And she’s uncovering the truths about the GLP1 craze that aren’t making headlines YET… despite the fact that, less than one fucking minute ago, she read us a goddamn alarmist headline.
WE HAVE A SPECIAL GUEST!!! This will definitely be a well-read, unbiased, scientific professional, right?? Fuck you hell naw, this is Chevese Turner, an eating disorder specialist who just so happens, pure coincidence guys, to be a long- suffering BOPO activist. Just look at this profile on her on withinhealth.com, the very first result I got from googling her name:
“With over 20 years of experience, Chevese Turner is an internationally recognized activist and advocate, speaker, policy influencer and movement-builder who dedicates her ability to make significant social change on issues concerning eating disorders, weight stigma and discrimination, and intersectional social justice. Turner founded the Binge Eating Disorder Association (BEDA) in 2008 and successfully merged it with the National Eating Disorders Association (NEDA) in 2018, after 10 years that significantly changed the eating disorders community in both scope and focus.
Prior to BEDA and Turner’s work advocating for the inclusion of Binge Eating Disorder (BED) in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual’s 5th Edition (DSM-5), published in 2013, those struggling with the most common and under diagnosed eating disorder had little hope of being recognized much less accessing treatment and insurance coverage. She continues to grow as a healthcare activist and believes integrating what is currently known and future research about social determinants of health is an important way forward for those at the intersection of oppressions and repeated denial of healthcare based on their body size, color, ethnicity, age, gender, socio-economic status, etc.
Turner is also the co-author of Binge Eating Disorder: The Journey to Recovery & Beyond and contributes regularly to podcasts and the media. Turner attended Temple University in Philadelphia where she received a BA in Political Science. Her professional expertise includes public policy and government relations, non-profit management, strategy, programming and communications, and making change through social healthcare movements.
She is a past board member of the Academy of Eating Disorders and the National Association of Anorexia Nervosa and Associated Disorders (ANAD), and is currently an Advisor for Families Empowered and Supporting Treatment for Eating Disorders (F.E.A.S.T.).”
Nope, no biases there! I’ll be the first to admit that her work to get Binge Eating disorder officially medically recognized is a net positive for humans in general… but as you’ll soon learn, everything she does is shoved through the shitfilter lense of fat acceptance and body positivity/neutrality, all the fucking demon cults these genuinely mentally ill binge eaters are actual victims of, so her positive efforts are made void by her desperate need to validate her own delusions.
Gosh, guys, wouldn’t you know it, she also just so happens to be Virgie’s friend!!! Thank god this is an impartial podcast! So informative. And wow, just like Virgie, she too was diagnosed with Atypical Anorexia, incredible!! That’s definitely a very real diagnosis and not something she managed to pity-squeeze out of a doctor she shopped high and low for because she totally didn’t eat lunch for like two days in a row once. Oh and she’s a diagnosed binge eater. No comment.
She was featured in the article that doesn’t exist that she just referenced! Neat!
Chevese just struggled to eat normally, her eating was just all over the place. Apparently in her 20s she got lap band surgery… uh oh, better keep your fatphobic self mutilation choices to yourself! Through the experience of this surgery, she stumbled upon Fat Liberation and HAES and size inclusivity etc, and allowed the brainwashing to rinse her clean and absolve her of all personal responsibility, so stead of focusing on her surgery program and SEEKING REAL THERAPY, she chugged the full sugar kool-aid and deemed her failed surgery experience a disaster. “Obviously!”
So she immediately started her Binge Eating Disorder Association, because she was VERY UPSET… that the disorder wasn’t represented yet in the DSM, definitely not because she was fully responsible for her poor choices. She was jealous that people with ‘larger bodies’ weren’t given the same consideration as those damn skinty bitch Anorexics! She’s special and needs attention too, okay?!
( I feel compelled to reiterate that binge eating disorder is a very real diagnosis, and that I do agree that it is under diagnosed and under supported in actual recovery, but that these psychos co-opt this reality and abuse the truth of it in order to push their insane victim narratives. Clearly people with this disorder have a mental/emotional disorder, and the binge eating is the symptomatic cope expression of that disorder, and they need actual healthy tools to help them handle their traumas and manage their impulses. Idk, like practical therapy and a GLP1?! Anyway.)
You guys she had no idea that fatties like her could even have anorexia, so quirky and special!
She also has the disorder of referring to her body as if it is a separate entity from herself. “My poor body, it went through so much!” Is the body in the room with us right now?
Unsurprisingly, she spends a ridiculous amount of energy every day maintaining her eating disorder ‘recovery’. Is Chevese an obese woman?? You betcha! Looks like recovery is still on the horizon, babe.
Virgie steps in again to be very truthful and honest with us and let us know they are indeed personal friends because they both screech about body positivity and fat acceptance in public spaces. And also that Chevese is actually using *gasp* OZEMPIC, to manage her diabetes. Any bets on whether or not it’s type 2 diabetes as a comorbidity of obesity?
It gave her so much internal conflict, because she needs it for her very separate disorder, and she doesn’t want ANYONE else to have access to this unless they also need it for diabetes. She BEGGED her doctor not to let force her to lose weight!!! Just keep her sugars from killing her in her sleep, but PLEASE don’t let her reach a healthy bmi!!! She is making it VERY clear that she is not a spy for the Evil Ozempire. We have to be SO CAREFUL with these insanely dangerous and out of control drugs, and her story is so important for reinforcing her moral imposition on strangers and why they chose to use this medication personally. She knows SO MANY PEOPLE who were so UPSET that this medication worked so well for diabetes control, but there is the horrific side effect of devastating weightloss! She has to be so. careful. that her very truly anorexic sick brain doesn’t take advantage of this magic bullet and let her slip into a healthy bmi range. She has to know when to stop abusing these class 1 narcotic before it’s too late!
(I know I’m being very dramatic in my retelling, I apologize. It’s the only thing keeping me sane, they really are presenting these anecdotes as life or death information, it’s just insane. Let me know if you need less editorializing from me in the future and I’ll reel it in.)
Virgie is so stunned by Chevese’s use of words like ‘careful’ and ‘responsible’. She’s literally never heard a fat activist use these words in context before you guys, this is groundbreaking. Oh! It’s because she’s the only person in the whole world using them in context with GLP1s, of course! Incredible! As we all know, the evil thins of the world are utterly reckless with their use of and speech around GLP1s, they’re trying to get babies hooked on it all the time, honestly. Fat people are encouraged to toss caution to the wind, and are NEVER explained potential side effects, there’s no such thing as a single ethical doctor in the world.
The worst possible thing has happened to poor Chevese, too: she’s lost her sense… of hunger. Oh merciful god, how could this have happened?! It certainly couldn’t be because she has never actually addressed her real eating disorder and the root issues that cause her to emotionally overeat to the point where she no longer feels real hunger cues and simply eats constantly and automatically to numb the awareness of being alive, right? And now that the food noise and unhealthy coping behavior is gone, she’s noticing she’s just not constantly overeating and is conflating it in her idiot mind with Atypical Anorexia behavior… right? Right??
Virgie admits that rebuilding hunger cues and actually understanding hunger cues is a core part of healing from eating disorders… but of course immediately twists it into a pretzel of bullshit by trying to tie the lack of overeating behavior in her fat friend to the same complete food restriction behavior common in people with the very UNcommon restrictive eating disorders. Because as we know about our dear Virgie, if you aren’t forcing yourself to overconsume food product like garbage at all hours, you’re fatphobic, brainwashed into anorexia by big diet culture, and a secret agent for the cis white patriarchy or some shit. There’s no nuance in eating disorders; if you aren’t fat or don’t want to be, you’re just a manipulative BIGOT!
It’s kind of incredible how close she gets to the truth of how hunger cues actually work and should be used, but just as she’s about to skim the surface of honest scientific truth, she yanks the yolk and does loop de loops around BOPO insanity. She actually has cultivated the perfect art of manipulation through misinformation and false equivalencies. Almost impressive.
Someone might take pride in the fact that they aren’t engaged in eating 24 hours straight, and that’s disordered!! Anorexia for all fat people!!
Oh my god she even admits that recovery requires you to only eat when actually hungry and stop when you’re actually full, not when the whole cake is finally gone. What the fuck Virgie, that’s fatphobic!! Oh my god, without hunger, one might disconnect from their body… surely fat activists don’t already do anything like that.
Finally, she accidentally exposes her true concern with a medication that might help relieve mental and emotional triggers for binging: she doesn’t think hunger is only a physical condition. She knows it is truly a mental and emotional state! That is a normal and healthy analysis! True hunger isn’t an indication that your body needs an appropriate dose of fuel to keep running efficiently, no! Idiots! It’s our beloved bodies protecting our sweet hearts and minds from the cruelties of life and other people, by comforting us with virtuous hyper palatable food substitutes to numb the unresolved anxieties in our minds, of course! The body creature thing is so thoughtful, isn’t it? If we don’t have the urge to constantly eat, misconstruing the ping of poor coping mechanisms with actual hunger cues, then we WILL forget a natural human instinct, how to actually eat! We will revert to a stage that is actual sub-infancy! Horrific but true!
I am 1/3 of the way through. I have to stop pausing.
Chevese sets alarms on her phone to remind herself to snack constantly, because even though her corrective surgery was a failure, she is ALWAYS at risk of falling victim to anorexia and just passing away within a couple of hours. It’s truly inevitable. She was horrified to notice that she was eating less and less with time on Ozempic. She identifies her ‘recovery’ as the one thing in her life she has worked the hardest to achieve, and she will NEVER give that up to evil pharma. She REFUSES to be thin and sickly! The evil Ozempire will never take her alive! So she forces herself to out-eat it. Incredible. Wonder how her diabetes is doing? She tries to maintain her victim status and claims she does sometimes ignore these life saving reminders, though. She’s only human, being manipulated by a shadow government who wants to genocide fatties.
She MUST eat 3 meals a day and 2 snacks, and she can’t eat mindlessly anymore- I mean, intuitively anymore, because she has to work against the ozempic, and that just plain pisses her off doncha know!
Virgie can’t help herself and must interrupt her friends testimony to remind us that the precious fatties who have survived their brushes with diet culture and have lived a life of fragile recovery must fight tooth and nail for their healing, and these silly, trendy, damaging, life saving medications are just making it so hard.
Chevese is pissed because she told her endocrinologist that sometimes she accidentally misses meals bc of the GLP1 and it worries her, and the doctors responded as a sane person would and remarked that it’s okay if she misses lunch sometimes. Naturally Chevese did the logical thing and had a full blown crash out on that doctor, what a total big pharma plant of a bitch, ammirite? She just doesn’t get it! She thinks endocrinologists who do get it are unicorns, and she’s alone in the world, and she must take care of herself because absolutely no one else will… and because she admits that other bitter fat activists will call her ass out if they see her losing weight! The dissonance!
Virgie thinks Chevese’s self care and self advocacy is inspiring. She thinks she learned these incredible, superhuman powers by drinking the body positivity kool-aid, which, as she enlightened us to in episode one, is the current target of the evil, fatphobic, GLP1 industry Ozempire! She’s a true revolutionary. Put her face a block print and sell me a shirt.
Virgie can’t help but point out that Chevese is rare, and that most other low level fatties in the world that aren’t as great as Virgie don’t actually fight the man like they do, or do any due diligence, or practice any caution ever, or demand to be screened for mental health stability because they all obviously have binge eating disorder- I mean, atypical anorexia, the only disorders fatties can actually develop of course. Virgie hasn’t tried to get herself a script for a GLP1, but she KNOWS they wouldn’t screen her, because they only care about eradicating fatties at all costs.
Virgie exclaims that it is absurd that every consumer must have self and situational awareness, be well read and self-informed, and prepare to analyze any treatment plan ever recommended to them by any doctor for any ailment. When will get it, that we are never responsible for anything that happens to us, ever?! It’s the goddamn PATRIARCHY!
Omg, Chevese’s mom also identifies as an eating disorder survivor who was attempting to utilize GLP1s to manage her diabetes. Are we taking bets on the diagnosis? The GLP1 triggered her relapse into ANOREXIA. EVIL.
Chevese airs out her mom’s personal struggles, saying she’s had a lifetime of trauma and is a recovered alcoholic, thanks babe. She said her mom was dealing with diabetes from a much younger age than she was, upwards of 40 years long, and became insulin dependent. Looks like type 2 runs in the family. Her mom’s endo put her on Ozempic and she was SO concerned for her mother, because her mother just wasn’t as recovered and strong as she was, and nobody cares about seniors with eating disorders. She watched her elderly, diabetic mother DROP WEIGHT. It seemed every week she watched her mom lose weight, and she was so triggered by that! How dare she?! She had to have boundaries with her, she’s a grown woman, goddamnit, 77 years old! She never admits that her mom became unhealthily thin, though… but as she watched her mom ‘disappear and become more unstable’. This past year, her mom’s dog, her closest companion, died. Her mom was hospitalized and very weak from the trauma, and she ended up in an ‘eating disorder establishment’. They took her off the Ozempic, she is obviously in the devastating throes of her disorder again. It was TOTALLY because of the Ozempic, not because she’s fucking old, or that her daughter is a psycho bitch, or that her only companion died, etc. I think it’s pretty fucked up for her to co-opt her mom’s terrible personal story for her own victimhood.
Her mom continues to struggle and can barely eat.
Virgie begs us to stop and consider how Chevese’s poor mother did everything correct, and let the doctors try to kill her. Virgie claims the mother’s ANOREXIA relapsed, but Chevese never used that word. Chevese blames all the doctors involved, they’re malicious and don’t know shit about anything. Her mom has congestive heart failure, which they believed would be supported by the GLP1, according to her, and they ignored her desperate pleas to save her dying mother.
Virgie reminds us that medial biases is ever present against the elderly, but even more so with fat bodied people, the most oppressed, of course. So was her mom fat, or just old?
Virgie begs us to listen to the rest of her ‘Interview’ with her friend, where she rambles on angrily about how people just won’t let her eat, what the fuck?! Why won’t they let us eat????? It is illegal for people to recommend anyone eat ever! If you have a fat body, they will force you to lose weight and become healthier and keep you from eating mindlessly!! ITS INHUMANE!!! Weight cycling and dieting is FORCED upon everyone and then we are held responsible for our failures?! What the fuck?!?!
Chevese wonders if anyone bothered to study the effects of GLP1s and cases of malnutrition, in a social media post. The internet CAME for her, she was talked down to, it was SO dehumanizing. Someone had the audacity to tell her that fat people have reserves and are not going to become suddenly malnourished from the medication (hello doctor Now lol), and she was triggered. She KNOWS she’s not a scientist or a doctor, they are so much more educated than her, but it’s a no brainer that everyone will suffer from taking this drug.
Virgie wraps up the episode whining about how we are expected to be healthy because we owe it to society and that’s so not fair. She begs the listener to stop and ask themselves if they or someone they love are at risk of being destroyed by the evil fatphobic medical system, and what you need to do about to protect yourself and them from this malicious, organized malpractice. Your worth is NOT determined by your weight (unless you dare lower it), and your recovery is worth protecting (unless it is real, actual, healthy recovery and isn’t condoned by the HAES movement, in which case GET FUCKED)!
This has been Virgie Tovar, signing off, and that has been the last semblance of my sanity, melting into oblivion. Until next time, fatties!
She comes in HOT with a direct reference to an article from Business Insider about the “hidden dangers of ozempic: eating disorder recovery”. Oh boy, I love being hand fed an actual reference. Naturally, this article is penned by a very cranky-faced fat woman.
You can read the article for yourself here.
She quotes this line, about halfway through the article:
“Experts warn that these medications can trigger new eating disorders, worsen existing ones, and complicate recovery. Brittany Lacour, the national director of clinical assessment intake at Eating Recovery Centers, with programs across the country, said the number of people who had come into ERC already on a GLP-1 went from 11 in 2023 to 31 in 2024. So far, there have been 14 cases in 2025, including a 14-year-old child.”
No, she doesn’t tell you how significant those numbers and patients’ cases are in the grand scheme of eating disorder treatment patients. Is it even 1% of the usual population? Did the population of patients increase as a whole as well? Were those patients admitted and already on GLP1s obese or diagnosed with binge eating disorders? Who fucking knows, those questions don’t mean SHIT to a true social justice warrior like Virgie!
She claims GLP1s are being pushed as neutral health interventions. Bitch where?!?! I have never heard it presented as anything other than a dependable treatment for diabetes and significant weightloss, specifically. Clearly, She’s uncovered this dark cabal of doctors who are prescribing drugs, Willy nilly, to anyone and everyone with absolutely NO screening and NO history checks! Yes, Virgie, pill pushing corruption has plagued doctors since before you were alive, this isn’t novel. You aren’t uncovering the secret dark truth of the next great opioid epidemic, you’re literally utilizing free online no-think opinion pieces that are hand feeding you snippets of info, which you are then isolating and cloaking in the disguise of hard evidence for your great conspiracy. Wait until she hears about all of the online fraudsters that were handing out Adderall scripts and ADHD diagnoses to tiktokers like candy in 2020!
I am 1 minute in, btw
. She calls it the ozempire, I actually fucking love that.She is Virgie Tovar, the ONLY human in the world truly scrutinizing the evil ozempire! FOR YOU!! And she’s uncovering the truths about the GLP1 craze that aren’t making headlines YET… despite the fact that, less than one fucking minute ago, she read us a goddamn alarmist headline.
WE HAVE A SPECIAL GUEST!!! This will definitely be a well-read, unbiased, scientific professional, right?? Fuck you hell naw, this is Chevese Turner, an eating disorder specialist who just so happens, pure coincidence guys, to be a long- suffering BOPO activist. Just look at this profile on her on withinhealth.com, the very first result I got from googling her name:
“With over 20 years of experience, Chevese Turner is an internationally recognized activist and advocate, speaker, policy influencer and movement-builder who dedicates her ability to make significant social change on issues concerning eating disorders, weight stigma and discrimination, and intersectional social justice. Turner founded the Binge Eating Disorder Association (BEDA) in 2008 and successfully merged it with the National Eating Disorders Association (NEDA) in 2018, after 10 years that significantly changed the eating disorders community in both scope and focus.
Prior to BEDA and Turner’s work advocating for the inclusion of Binge Eating Disorder (BED) in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual’s 5th Edition (DSM-5), published in 2013, those struggling with the most common and under diagnosed eating disorder had little hope of being recognized much less accessing treatment and insurance coverage. She continues to grow as a healthcare activist and believes integrating what is currently known and future research about social determinants of health is an important way forward for those at the intersection of oppressions and repeated denial of healthcare based on their body size, color, ethnicity, age, gender, socio-economic status, etc.
Turner is also the co-author of Binge Eating Disorder: The Journey to Recovery & Beyond and contributes regularly to podcasts and the media. Turner attended Temple University in Philadelphia where she received a BA in Political Science. Her professional expertise includes public policy and government relations, non-profit management, strategy, programming and communications, and making change through social healthcare movements.
She is a past board member of the Academy of Eating Disorders and the National Association of Anorexia Nervosa and Associated Disorders (ANAD), and is currently an Advisor for Families Empowered and Supporting Treatment for Eating Disorders (F.E.A.S.T.).”
Nope, no biases there! I’ll be the first to admit that her work to get Binge Eating disorder officially medically recognized is a net positive for humans in general… but as you’ll soon learn, everything she does is shoved through the shitfilter lense of fat acceptance and body positivity/neutrality, all the fucking demon cults these genuinely mentally ill binge eaters are actual victims of, so her positive efforts are made void by her desperate need to validate her own delusions.
Gosh, guys, wouldn’t you know it, she also just so happens to be Virgie’s friend!!! Thank god this is an impartial podcast! So informative. And wow, just like Virgie, she too was diagnosed with Atypical Anorexia, incredible!! That’s definitely a very real diagnosis and not something she managed to pity-squeeze out of a doctor she shopped high and low for because she totally didn’t eat lunch for like two days in a row once. Oh and she’s a diagnosed binge eater. No comment.
She was featured in the article that doesn’t exist that she just referenced! Neat!
Chevese just struggled to eat normally, her eating was just all over the place. Apparently in her 20s she got lap band surgery… uh oh, better keep your fatphobic self mutilation choices to yourself! Through the experience of this surgery, she stumbled upon Fat Liberation and HAES and size inclusivity etc, and allowed the brainwashing to rinse her clean and absolve her of all personal responsibility, so stead of focusing on her surgery program and SEEKING REAL THERAPY, she chugged the full sugar kool-aid and deemed her failed surgery experience a disaster. “Obviously!”
So she immediately started her Binge Eating Disorder Association, because she was VERY UPSET… that the disorder wasn’t represented yet in the DSM, definitely not because she was fully responsible for her poor choices. She was jealous that people with ‘larger bodies’ weren’t given the same consideration as those damn skinty bitch Anorexics! She’s special and needs attention too, okay?!
( I feel compelled to reiterate that binge eating disorder is a very real diagnosis, and that I do agree that it is under diagnosed and under supported in actual recovery, but that these psychos co-opt this reality and abuse the truth of it in order to push their insane victim narratives. Clearly people with this disorder have a mental/emotional disorder, and the binge eating is the symptomatic cope expression of that disorder, and they need actual healthy tools to help them handle their traumas and manage their impulses. Idk, like practical therapy and a GLP1?! Anyway.)
You guys she had no idea that fatties like her could even have anorexia, so quirky and special!
She also has the disorder of referring to her body as if it is a separate entity from herself. “My poor body, it went through so much!” Is the body in the room with us right now?
Unsurprisingly, she spends a ridiculous amount of energy every day maintaining her eating disorder ‘recovery’. Is Chevese an obese woman?? You betcha! Looks like recovery is still on the horizon, babe.
Virgie steps in again to be very truthful and honest with us and let us know they are indeed personal friends because they both screech about body positivity and fat acceptance in public spaces. And also that Chevese is actually using *gasp* OZEMPIC, to manage her diabetes. Any bets on whether or not it’s type 2 diabetes as a comorbidity of obesity?
It gave her so much internal conflict, because she needs it for her very separate disorder, and she doesn’t want ANYONE else to have access to this unless they also need it for diabetes. She BEGGED her doctor not to let force her to lose weight!!! Just keep her sugars from killing her in her sleep, but PLEASE don’t let her reach a healthy bmi!!! She is making it VERY clear that she is not a spy for the Evil Ozempire. We have to be SO CAREFUL with these insanely dangerous and out of control drugs, and her story is so important for reinforcing her moral imposition on strangers and why they chose to use this medication personally. She knows SO MANY PEOPLE who were so UPSET that this medication worked so well for diabetes control, but there is the horrific side effect of devastating weightloss! She has to be so. careful. that her very truly anorexic sick brain doesn’t take advantage of this magic bullet and let her slip into a healthy bmi range. She has to know when to stop abusing these class 1 narcotic before it’s too late!
(I know I’m being very dramatic in my retelling, I apologize. It’s the only thing keeping me sane, they really are presenting these anecdotes as life or death information, it’s just insane. Let me know if you need less editorializing from me in the future and I’ll reel it in.)
Virgie is so stunned by Chevese’s use of words like ‘careful’ and ‘responsible’. She’s literally never heard a fat activist use these words in context before you guys, this is groundbreaking. Oh! It’s because she’s the only person in the whole world using them in context with GLP1s, of course! Incredible! As we all know, the evil thins of the world are utterly reckless with their use of and speech around GLP1s, they’re trying to get babies hooked on it all the time, honestly. Fat people are encouraged to toss caution to the wind, and are NEVER explained potential side effects, there’s no such thing as a single ethical doctor in the world.
The worst possible thing has happened to poor Chevese, too: she’s lost her sense… of hunger. Oh merciful god, how could this have happened?! It certainly couldn’t be because she has never actually addressed her real eating disorder and the root issues that cause her to emotionally overeat to the point where she no longer feels real hunger cues and simply eats constantly and automatically to numb the awareness of being alive, right? And now that the food noise and unhealthy coping behavior is gone, she’s noticing she’s just not constantly overeating and is conflating it in her idiot mind with Atypical Anorexia behavior… right? Right??
Virgie admits that rebuilding hunger cues and actually understanding hunger cues is a core part of healing from eating disorders… but of course immediately twists it into a pretzel of bullshit by trying to tie the lack of overeating behavior in her fat friend to the same complete food restriction behavior common in people with the very UNcommon restrictive eating disorders. Because as we know about our dear Virgie, if you aren’t forcing yourself to overconsume food product like garbage at all hours, you’re fatphobic, brainwashed into anorexia by big diet culture, and a secret agent for the cis white patriarchy or some shit. There’s no nuance in eating disorders; if you aren’t fat or don’t want to be, you’re just a manipulative BIGOT!
It’s kind of incredible how close she gets to the truth of how hunger cues actually work and should be used, but just as she’s about to skim the surface of honest scientific truth, she yanks the yolk and does loop de loops around BOPO insanity. She actually has cultivated the perfect art of manipulation through misinformation and false equivalencies. Almost impressive.
Someone might take pride in the fact that they aren’t engaged in eating 24 hours straight, and that’s disordered!! Anorexia for all fat people!!
Oh my god she even admits that recovery requires you to only eat when actually hungry and stop when you’re actually full, not when the whole cake is finally gone. What the fuck Virgie, that’s fatphobic!! Oh my god, without hunger, one might disconnect from their body… surely fat activists don’t already do anything like that.
Finally, she accidentally exposes her true concern with a medication that might help relieve mental and emotional triggers for binging: she doesn’t think hunger is only a physical condition. She knows it is truly a mental and emotional state! That is a normal and healthy analysis! True hunger isn’t an indication that your body needs an appropriate dose of fuel to keep running efficiently, no! Idiots! It’s our beloved bodies protecting our sweet hearts and minds from the cruelties of life and other people, by comforting us with virtuous hyper palatable food substitutes to numb the unresolved anxieties in our minds, of course! The body creature thing is so thoughtful, isn’t it? If we don’t have the urge to constantly eat, misconstruing the ping of poor coping mechanisms with actual hunger cues, then we WILL forget a natural human instinct, how to actually eat! We will revert to a stage that is actual sub-infancy! Horrific but true!
I am 1/3 of the way through. I have to stop pausing.
Chevese sets alarms on her phone to remind herself to snack constantly, because even though her corrective surgery was a failure, she is ALWAYS at risk of falling victim to anorexia and just passing away within a couple of hours. It’s truly inevitable. She was horrified to notice that she was eating less and less with time on Ozempic. She identifies her ‘recovery’ as the one thing in her life she has worked the hardest to achieve, and she will NEVER give that up to evil pharma. She REFUSES to be thin and sickly! The evil Ozempire will never take her alive! So she forces herself to out-eat it. Incredible. Wonder how her diabetes is doing? She tries to maintain her victim status and claims she does sometimes ignore these life saving reminders, though. She’s only human, being manipulated by a shadow government who wants to genocide fatties.
She MUST eat 3 meals a day and 2 snacks, and she can’t eat mindlessly anymore- I mean, intuitively anymore, because she has to work against the ozempic, and that just plain pisses her off doncha know!
Virgie can’t help herself and must interrupt her friends testimony to remind us that the precious fatties who have survived their brushes with diet culture and have lived a life of fragile recovery must fight tooth and nail for their healing, and these silly, trendy, damaging, life saving medications are just making it so hard.
Chevese is pissed because she told her endocrinologist that sometimes she accidentally misses meals bc of the GLP1 and it worries her, and the doctors responded as a sane person would and remarked that it’s okay if she misses lunch sometimes. Naturally Chevese did the logical thing and had a full blown crash out on that doctor, what a total big pharma plant of a bitch, ammirite? She just doesn’t get it! She thinks endocrinologists who do get it are unicorns, and she’s alone in the world, and she must take care of herself because absolutely no one else will… and because she admits that other bitter fat activists will call her ass out if they see her losing weight! The dissonance!
Virgie thinks Chevese’s self care and self advocacy is inspiring. She thinks she learned these incredible, superhuman powers by drinking the body positivity kool-aid, which, as she enlightened us to in episode one, is the current target of the evil, fatphobic, GLP1 industry Ozempire! She’s a true revolutionary. Put her face a block print and sell me a shirt.
Virgie can’t help but point out that Chevese is rare, and that most other low level fatties in the world that aren’t as great as Virgie don’t actually fight the man like they do, or do any due diligence, or practice any caution ever, or demand to be screened for mental health stability because they all obviously have binge eating disorder- I mean, atypical anorexia, the only disorders fatties can actually develop of course. Virgie hasn’t tried to get herself a script for a GLP1, but she KNOWS they wouldn’t screen her, because they only care about eradicating fatties at all costs.
Virgie exclaims that it is absurd that every consumer must have self and situational awareness, be well read and self-informed, and prepare to analyze any treatment plan ever recommended to them by any doctor for any ailment. When will get it, that we are never responsible for anything that happens to us, ever?! It’s the goddamn PATRIARCHY!
Omg, Chevese’s mom also identifies as an eating disorder survivor who was attempting to utilize GLP1s to manage her diabetes. Are we taking bets on the diagnosis? The GLP1 triggered her relapse into ANOREXIA. EVIL.
Chevese airs out her mom’s personal struggles, saying she’s had a lifetime of trauma and is a recovered alcoholic, thanks babe. She said her mom was dealing with diabetes from a much younger age than she was, upwards of 40 years long, and became insulin dependent. Looks like type 2 runs in the family. Her mom’s endo put her on Ozempic and she was SO concerned for her mother, because her mother just wasn’t as recovered and strong as she was, and nobody cares about seniors with eating disorders. She watched her elderly, diabetic mother DROP WEIGHT
. It seemed every week she watched her mom lose weight, and she was so triggered by that! How dare she?! She had to have boundaries with her, she’s a grown woman, goddamnit, 77 years old! She never admits that her mom became unhealthily thin, though… but as she watched her mom ‘disappear and become more unstable’. This past year, her mom’s dog, her closest companion, died. Her mom was hospitalized and very weak from the trauma, and she ended up in an ‘eating disorder establishment’. They took her off the Ozempic, she is obviously in the devastating throes of her disorder again. It was TOTALLY because of the Ozempic, not because she’s fucking old, or that her daughter is a psycho bitch, or that her only companion died, etc. I think it’s pretty fucked up for her to co-opt her mom’s terrible personal story for her own victimhood.Her mom continues to struggle and can barely eat.
Virgie begs us to stop and consider how Chevese’s poor mother did everything correct, and let the doctors try to kill her. Virgie claims the mother’s ANOREXIA relapsed, but Chevese never used that word. Chevese blames all the doctors involved, they’re malicious and don’t know shit about anything. Her mom has congestive heart failure, which they believed would be supported by the GLP1, according to her, and they ignored her desperate pleas to save her dying mother.
Virgie reminds us that medial biases is ever present against the elderly, but even more so with fat bodied people, the most oppressed, of course. So was her mom fat, or just old?
Virgie begs us to listen to the rest of her ‘Interview’ with her friend, where she rambles on angrily about how people just won’t let her eat, what the fuck?! Why won’t they let us eat????? It is illegal for people to recommend anyone eat ever! If you have a fat body, they will force you to lose weight and become healthier and keep you from eating mindlessly!! ITS INHUMANE!!! Weight cycling and dieting is FORCED upon everyone and then we are held responsible for our failures?! What the fuck?!?!
Chevese wonders if anyone bothered to study the effects of GLP1s and cases of malnutrition, in a social media post. The internet CAME for her, she was talked down to, it was SO dehumanizing. Someone had the audacity to tell her that fat people have reserves and are not going to become suddenly malnourished from the medication (hello doctor Now lol), and she was triggered. She KNOWS she’s not a scientist or a doctor, they are so much more educated than her, but it’s a no brainer that everyone will suffer from taking this drug.
Virgie wraps up the episode whining about how we are expected to be healthy because we owe it to society and that’s so not fair. She begs the listener to stop and ask themselves if they or someone they love are at risk of being destroyed by the evil fatphobic medical system, and what you need to do about to protect yourself and them from this malicious, organized malpractice. Your worth is NOT determined by your weight (unless you dare lower it), and your recovery is worth protecting (unless it is real, actual, healthy recovery and isn’t condoned by the HAES movement, in which case GET FUCKED)!
This has been Virgie Tovar, signing off, and that has been the last semblance of my sanity, melting into oblivion. Until next time, fatties!
TL;DR: Virgie hosts a totally impartial and very professional friend, and they discuss how essentially all fatties suffer from eating disorders (THE SKINNY KIND YOU BIGOT), and the evil fatphobic powers that be are using a forced chemical eating disorder to genocide them: the GLP1.
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GLP1 Truth Serum with Virgie Tovar, Episode Three: A Pediatrician’s Warning
TL;DR: Virgie managed to find an FA doctor to 'interview', the only true good kind of doctor who isn't evil and doesn't have a secret agenda. They talk about how CHILDREN ARE BEING ABUSED AND DYING because they're ALL being forced to take GLP1s right now. They provide zero statistics or studies, for or against their argument, so just shut up and take their word for it, dummies. They co-opt real adolescent body image issues as evidence that everyone has an eating disorder (THE SKINNY KIND!) and pharma only exist to murder us with relapse.
Also, apologies for multi posting, I just feel each recap is so big it needs its own post. Thanks for your patience, I am a tech boomer!
A Pediatrician’s Warning
No intro, just rawdogging a fear mongering quote from an unknown voice. Couldn’t even be fucked to get the shitty, royalty free music in the background first. Welcome back folks!
RED ALERT: THEY’RE COMING FOR THE CHILDREN! A pediatrician was presented a child, the parents said they were on a GLP1 and they want their kid on one too and the pediatrician DID IT. And the child LOST WEIGHT, and then went to the mysterious voice with a SEVERE EATING DISORDER AND BODYWEIGHT ISSUES FROM THE MEDICATION. The humanity!!!
The mysterious voice is hearing about the avalanche of patients burdening hospitals with the side effects of the medication; bad heart rhythms, low electrolytes, etc. “Yuuup this is happening, where is the caution?!”
What we just heard is a microscopic part of Virgie’s interview with a one Dr. Lauren Hartman. Let’s look her up, shall we? Surely Virgie wouldn’t “interview” a friend for the second time in a row, right?
Google says:
“Dr. Hartman is double board certified in Adolescent Medicine and Pediatrics. She is known for her patient-centered approach, and has dedicated her career to supporting teens, young adults, and their loved ones as they navigate adolescence. She aims to focus on the strengths in every patient and nurture a sense of hope to help support them to live their most fulfilling and healthy lives.
Medical education and training:
With more than a decade of dedicated practice, she has honed her skills in the specialized field of adolescent medicine, particularly in the realm of eating disorders in the hospital, outpatient and virtual settings.
Dr. Hartman is a longstanding member of the Society of Adolescent Health and Medicine (SAHM) and the Academy for Eating Disorders (AED). She is a member of the SAHM Eating Disorder Committee and the Association for Weight and Size Inclusive Medicine (AWSIM). She is also on the legislative committee and the community health committee for the Alameda-Contra Costa Medical Association (ACCMA). She is grateful to live in the beautiful Bay Area alongside her husband, two children, and her dog.”
Straight from her office’s website, https://www.aspengroveayam.com/about-dr-hartman
So she’s actually a doctor at least, working with adolescents and young adults. Specializing in eating disorders? Naturally, there won’t be a single soul in this series without a disorder. And oh, look at that last paragraph, any familiar organizations? She is on the FRONT LINE.
Welcome back!
This is one of the most sobering conversations Virgie has had yet. We’re about to find out what happens when the GLP1 hype COLLIDES with kids’ health. Won’t you think of the children?!
Apparently while the rest of us are singing GLP1s praises, actual pediatricians are silently watching the true horrors unfold; psychiatric issues, malnutrition, and eating disorders!!! We don’t. Have. The data. To tell us what happens when we force GLP1s onto children, we have no idea what’s going to happen!!
Virgie is the global culture representative so her opinion is fact, and there’s a sense in the culture right now that “100% of doctors are on board with prescribing GLP1s and that they are universally celebrated by the medical community”!!! So, Lauren, is that true?!?!
Lauren says that amongst HER colleagues and other doctors SPECIFICALLY with eating disorder expertise, there is a LOT of concern and holding their breath and feeling sooooo anxious, and so afraid of how quickly these meds became popular! Maybe they need therapy too? No, no, they’re doctors, and in this context, they’re infallible! As long as they agree with Virgie!
Apparently there was a study in 2024 that has shown a 600% increase in prescriptions of GLP1s in kids and young adults over the past 3 years!!!!!! (Is there a link or name for the study referenced here, by chance? He’ll fuckin naw get wrecked assholes lol. Who needs context?)
We all know childhood and adolescence is when you’re growing and developing and science and stuff, and so like the panic we have about SUPPRESSING WEIGHT at a time when kids are SUPPOSED to be growing in every POSSIBLE way obviously, and the truth is we don’t have that data!! (That’s not a typo, she just rambled out an incomplete thought.). We don’t know the truth about what happens when we suppress weight in kids! No wait I mean we CERTAINLY know that it without fail causes eating disorders in kids when we suppress their weight, so there’s that. But like long term, omg no one can possibly know and we are all panicking!
Virgie demands that we once again let that sink in! (I think she’s too comfortable watching things sink into the void of fat layering her body, she uses that command far too much.) Bones! Brains! Muscles! Parents are EVIL! They’re asking for prescriptions for their child, and they are GETTING THEM!
Virgie tries to reiterate that these meds aren’t magic, just simple basic appetite suppressors, nothing else whatsoever. (No other benefit or process of operation, nope. Just pure amphetamine abuse, obviously.) But since she has a doctor with her, she’ll make the doctor clarify:
Lauren says essentially the medication mentally decreases hunger cues and makes us feel full even though our stomachs are not full. (Did you know that in order to be healthy, you have to eat so much food every time you eat that one should be able to peer into your mouth and see your last meal? You must be FULL!). In terms of the gut, it’s slows it down, and food just sits there,and there’s like GI symptoms like nausea and vomiting and stomach pain. (Do any doctors whatsoever prescribe, I don’t know, some sort of diet plan or warning about overconsumption or recommended portion size or timed eating plan, since these side effects ARE well known by the medical field and patients alike? Don’t fucking ask, asshole, that’s not the POINT!). She is just SO CONCERNED how easy it is to get these drugs, she had a colleague tell her that they saw it in a hotel lobby (what like in a candy dish? lol) and it was like not in the country but it WAS CLOSE BY and it’s just so easy to access, and there’s a COMPLETE lack of informed consent and it’s not magic and we’ve seen this before! It’s a very similar mechanism we’ve seen for people getting medications before AND the health consequences! It prevents your body from normal functions!!!
Virgie butts in to remind us that it’s not just physically abusive, and that Dr. Lauren refers to our guts as ‘the second brain’ (how convenient for that classic FA concept of the body being a separate entity from the self), but that it ALSO abuses our head brains, too! It affects dopamine and serotonin and google tells Virgie that those regulate MOOD. (any references on this claim? No? Okay cool.)
Virgie says that anyone who already has psychiatric conditions will become distressed and sometimes hospitalized!!!! (It’s incredible that she is on the cutting edge of research for the first medication in the history of humankind to have side effects!)
Lauren says starvation and malnutrition completely impact mood. (I wonder why that’s relevant here, we haven’t proved any links between GLP1s and starvation or malnutrition yet, this is the first mention of these terms, hmmm.). She hears ALL THE TIME from parents with a child who has an eating disorder which caused malnutrition (which certainly couldn’t be ARFID or binge eating junk food, no way, it’s always medically induced or diet culture induced anorexia) that they can’t even recognize their kid! Not physically, just like, who are they?! Their personality has completely changed as a result of the eating disorder! (Definitely not for puberty or anything, don’t worry.)
The BEAUTIFUL AND MIRACULOUS THING is that their beloved baby comes back once the kid is ‘renourished’! It’s the medication of food! Now, randomly, she’s talking specifically about GLP1s again, and that they affect the neurotransmitters, and the reward pathways, so YOU CAN IMAGINE (not ‘there is evidence’) a underlying psychiatric condition, it can be really destabilizing. It’s happening in real time so there’s no way for them to understand it right now, impossible. And no one has access to quality healthcare right now (true, but not a weapon for your arsenal you fucking charlatans), and you can just get it from a hotel lobby (in another country and the feed it to your kids I guess) and there are unknown consequences!!!
Virgie claims that GLP1s only advertise to lose weight NOW and FAST and actively discourage us from thinking about long term consequences and beg us not to mind the man behind the curtain! And we have no agency as a whole so yeah we’re going to do whatever ads tell us, inevitable. She thinks that GLP1s are MORE accessible to most Americans than ANY broad type of medical care (I’m sure the folks who can’t afford to see a doctor are just finding baggies of Ozempic in the park and immediately jabbing themselves, they’re so desperate and it’s so accessible.). The FACT is the American healthcare system isn’t robust enough to deal with the fallout of these medications on large scale!!!! People are disappearing before our eyes overnight and the Christians are freaking out because they think they’ve missed the rapture!!!! These are VERY SERIOUS CONSIDERATIONS we all need to be making.
And when it comes to medical ethics, when a patient is a child, who is really consenting? The parents, doctors, media???? (Again, valid point being misappropriated to push the anti health agenda, how very transparent of you, Virgie)
Lauren thinks about ethics a loooooot, especially in pediatrics and with consent. Lauren actually thinks people are expected to stay on GLP1s for DECADES or potentially THEIR WHOLE LIFE. (Dude I’m a fucking pleb and even I know that these are not lifelong dependencies jfc.). What are the ethics around that?! She’s been challenging herself to continue to ask question and learn (HA), because she does see a problem in the eating disorder field! Eating disorder professionals can be kinda rigid and black and white (do eating disorder specialists need therapy??). There’s supposed to be nuance! How do we honor patient autonomy? How to we make people learn that maybe the choice they made wasn’t a good one? (Once again, co-opting and misusing the fact that people do need to be well informed and practice critical thinking etc. This podcast is truly a masterclass in bad faith argumentation.)
Ope, Dr. Lauren ADMITS she’s the oppressor! She’s in a ‘smaller body’ and has never experienced discrimination!! BITCH!!! She ponders how we can ask questions and change our minds about things. How DO humans have autonomy? The true medical mystery.
Lauren vague-claims about missing ethics, asking questions, and using caution. Because no one ever considers these things, ever, especially in medicine and research. Ever. The research just IS NOT THERE YET!
Virgie reminds us that just because these life saving medications exist, their existence promotes and normalizes WEIGHT STIGMA.
Lauren says the FACT that this is even offered is NAMING the problem! It’s telling you you have a problem, and doesn’t even look at real health markers! (Like the health markers of obesity or binge eating disorders, right?). Just the CONVERSATION about it is creating harm! Oops better delete the podcast, Virgie! It is STIGMATIZING by just existing, and people are forced to cope with it’s existence. The existence of these products FORCES EVERYONE with an eating disorder to suffer and be triggered and lose recovery, it’s inevitable. And obviously eating disorders are RAMPANT and killing us in the billions every day. THE RESTRICTIVE SKINNY KIND, you bigot!!
Lauren thinks a lot about how healthcare is the source of the trauma. She had a young adult in recovery tell her that she doesn’t think she can change the discrimination she feels every day, she can’t change the culture, so she is FORCED to relapse and take the drugs if she wants to survive persecution! (Because the stigma and discrimination are against skinny people, right? Because the drug forces you to be… skinny? So if you’re forced to relapse on your ED, then you must be underweight, and they’re forcing you to stay underweight, right? Virgie’s problem is with people who are unhealthy and severely underweight, right??? I need a map.). Her patient knows it’s wrong but she MUST obey the system!
Virgie opines about her childhood, how she fantasized about EXTREME SELF HARM just to be thin. Do you think baby Virgie once though she could *gasp* NOT eat cake?!?! I can’t, it’s too painful.
Dr. Lauren wants all kids to know that they aren’t unhealthy in anyway, they are okay the way they are, they’re just at the doctors office for funsies. They DONT need this medication! They’re SAFER WITHOUT IT! We need to tell children that it’s SOCIETYS FAULT and we need to do a better job making them feel safe. (Better make sure their school doesn’t have a health and nutrition course while we’re at it, wouldn’t want any oppression to seep in.) she just doesn’t want them to feel alone, and she describes loneliness, in case we were confused.
Virgie asks Lauren the difference between the doctor enthusiastically throwing GLP1 scripts at everyone like Mardi gras beads in New Orleans versus the doctor who uses critical thinking first. Lauren’s specialty is eating disorders, so she has seen the harms of eating disorders. So in her opinion, she is the worlds expert on medications that CAUSE eating disorders and so when she sees them in the wild she instinctually knows they are bad. And when she thinks of the evil doctors that actually prescribe these meds, it’s obviously just a diabetes specialist, and they have accidentally equated health and weight, and they ONLY prescribe these to protect their patients from WEIGHT and definitely never diabetes and they’re just misguided, poor souls.
Lauren thinks all doctors are doing their best in the only way they know how, but they’re just not communicating, so people like her who are bravely raising the alarm and desperately trying to save lives are just going unheard. Medicine is pretty siloed (???). She wishes that doctors could just find a way to talk to each other. But clearly they’re different species to there is just no way to break through that language barrier. Big Bad Pharma would be SO MAD if they figured out how to communicate with each other, el oh el, but like if they could just figure out sleep hygiene and relationship dynamics and touching grass and having BALANCED NUTRITION (oh the irony), REGARDLESS OF WEIGHT, it would be far more helpful.
EVERY INSTITUTION SHE HAS EVER WORKED WITH has this issue, it’s bipartisan voting all over again. They just can’t come to terms and get along, it’s impossible! And those poor patients are in the crossfire.
Virgie wraps it up asking Lauren what the parents considering putting their child or themselves on a GLP1 should be asking themselves first.
Lauren would encourage them to be clear about their reason for wanting the meds. She has seen people who hoped that the meds would help their mood (??) or body image issues, only to find that those get WORSE on the meds and it’s too late and you can never stop a medication once you start it we all know this and there’s probably a safer way to improve your mental health, dummies. Think about it, is it even YOUR goal, you brainwashed piece of shit? Or is it SOCIETYS goal and you have no self control or autonomy because you’re an idiot and not a doctor like me? YOU DO NOT HAVE TO TAKE THIS MEDICATION! (Right they’re forcing it on us but we can also say no if we just stop being idiots, duh.This is a very novel thought.) Think about if you are vulnerable to spooky ookie EATING DISORDERS! The thin kind only, obviously. What if you want to stop it?? Is it possible??? You’re not alone! You need to listen to ME!
Virgie wants us to at least take this ONE THING from her episode: GLP1s come with a cost for children not yet studied and tested and published by anyone anywhere ever, so WATCH THE FUCK OUT!
She thanks her guest for her honesty, bravery, and commitment to kids who deserve more than shame from the fatphobic patriarchy. PLEASE share this episode; the GLP1 mythology is powerful, but the TRUTH is more important! (Fucking lol)
She’s Virgie Tovar, and until next time, don’t believe the hype! Unless it’s coming from her obviously!!
No intro, just rawdogging a fear mongering quote from an unknown voice. Couldn’t even be fucked to get the shitty, royalty free music in the background first. Welcome back folks!
RED ALERT: THEY’RE COMING FOR THE CHILDREN! A pediatrician was presented a child, the parents said they were on a GLP1 and they want their kid on one too and the pediatrician DID IT. And the child LOST WEIGHT, and then went to the mysterious voice with a SEVERE EATING DISORDER AND BODYWEIGHT ISSUES FROM THE MEDICATION. The humanity!!!
The mysterious voice is hearing about the avalanche of patients burdening hospitals with the side effects of the medication; bad heart rhythms, low electrolytes, etc. “Yuuup this is happening, where is the caution?!”
What we just heard is a microscopic part of Virgie’s interview with a one Dr. Lauren Hartman. Let’s look her up, shall we? Surely Virgie wouldn’t “interview” a friend for the second time in a row, right?
Google says:
“Dr. Hartman is double board certified in Adolescent Medicine and Pediatrics. She is known for her patient-centered approach, and has dedicated her career to supporting teens, young adults, and their loved ones as they navigate adolescence. She aims to focus on the strengths in every patient and nurture a sense of hope to help support them to live their most fulfilling and healthy lives.
Medical education and training:
- Medical School: University of Virginia School of Medicine
- Pediatric Residency: Brown University
- Chief Resident: Brown University
- Adolescent Medicine Fellowship: University of California, San Francisco
With more than a decade of dedicated practice, she has honed her skills in the specialized field of adolescent medicine, particularly in the realm of eating disorders in the hospital, outpatient and virtual settings.
Dr. Hartman is a longstanding member of the Society of Adolescent Health and Medicine (SAHM) and the Academy for Eating Disorders (AED). She is a member of the SAHM Eating Disorder Committee and the Association for Weight and Size Inclusive Medicine (AWSIM). She is also on the legislative committee and the community health committee for the Alameda-Contra Costa Medical Association (ACCMA). She is grateful to live in the beautiful Bay Area alongside her husband, two children, and her dog.”
Straight from her office’s website, https://www.aspengroveayam.com/about-dr-hartman
So she’s actually a doctor at least, working with adolescents and young adults. Specializing in eating disorders? Naturally, there won’t be a single soul in this series without a disorder. And oh, look at that last paragraph, any familiar organizations? She is on the FRONT LINE.
Welcome back!
This is one of the most sobering conversations Virgie has had yet. We’re about to find out what happens when the GLP1 hype COLLIDES with kids’ health. Won’t you think of the children?!
Apparently while the rest of us are singing GLP1s praises, actual pediatricians are silently watching the true horrors unfold; psychiatric issues, malnutrition, and eating disorders!!! We don’t. Have. The data. To tell us what happens when we force GLP1s onto children, we have no idea what’s going to happen!!
Virgie is the global culture representative so her opinion is fact, and there’s a sense in the culture right now that “100% of doctors are on board with prescribing GLP1s and that they are universally celebrated by the medical community”!!! So, Lauren, is that true?!?!
Lauren says that amongst HER colleagues and other doctors SPECIFICALLY with eating disorder expertise, there is a LOT of concern and holding their breath and feeling sooooo anxious, and so afraid of how quickly these meds became popular! Maybe they need therapy too? No, no, they’re doctors, and in this context, they’re infallible! As long as they agree with Virgie!
Apparently there was a study in 2024 that has shown a 600% increase in prescriptions of GLP1s in kids and young adults over the past 3 years!!!!!! (Is there a link or name for the study referenced here, by chance? He’ll fuckin naw get wrecked assholes lol. Who needs context?)
We all know childhood and adolescence is when you’re growing and developing and science and stuff, and so like the panic we have about SUPPRESSING WEIGHT at a time when kids are SUPPOSED to be growing in every POSSIBLE way obviously, and the truth is we don’t have that data!! (That’s not a typo, she just rambled out an incomplete thought.). We don’t know the truth about what happens when we suppress weight in kids! No wait I mean we CERTAINLY know that it without fail causes eating disorders in kids when we suppress their weight, so there’s that. But like long term, omg no one can possibly know and we are all panicking!
Virgie demands that we once again let that sink in! (I think she’s too comfortable watching things sink into the void of fat layering her body, she uses that command far too much.) Bones! Brains! Muscles! Parents are EVIL! They’re asking for prescriptions for their child, and they are GETTING THEM!
Virgie tries to reiterate that these meds aren’t magic, just simple basic appetite suppressors, nothing else whatsoever. (No other benefit or process of operation, nope. Just pure amphetamine abuse, obviously.) But since she has a doctor with her, she’ll make the doctor clarify:
Lauren says essentially the medication mentally decreases hunger cues and makes us feel full even though our stomachs are not full. (Did you know that in order to be healthy, you have to eat so much food every time you eat that one should be able to peer into your mouth and see your last meal? You must be FULL!). In terms of the gut, it’s slows it down, and food just sits there,and there’s like GI symptoms like nausea and vomiting and stomach pain. (Do any doctors whatsoever prescribe, I don’t know, some sort of diet plan or warning about overconsumption or recommended portion size or timed eating plan, since these side effects ARE well known by the medical field and patients alike? Don’t fucking ask, asshole, that’s not the POINT!). She is just SO CONCERNED how easy it is to get these drugs, she had a colleague tell her that they saw it in a hotel lobby (what like in a candy dish? lol) and it was like not in the country but it WAS CLOSE BY and it’s just so easy to access, and there’s a COMPLETE lack of informed consent and it’s not magic and we’ve seen this before! It’s a very similar mechanism we’ve seen for people getting medications before AND the health consequences! It prevents your body from normal functions!!!
Virgie butts in to remind us that it’s not just physically abusive, and that Dr. Lauren refers to our guts as ‘the second brain’ (how convenient for that classic FA concept of the body being a separate entity from the self), but that it ALSO abuses our head brains, too! It affects dopamine and serotonin and google tells Virgie that those regulate MOOD. (any references on this claim? No? Okay cool.)
Virgie says that anyone who already has psychiatric conditions will become distressed and sometimes hospitalized!!!! (It’s incredible that she is on the cutting edge of research for the first medication in the history of humankind to have side effects!)
Lauren says starvation and malnutrition completely impact mood. (I wonder why that’s relevant here, we haven’t proved any links between GLP1s and starvation or malnutrition yet, this is the first mention of these terms, hmmm.). She hears ALL THE TIME from parents with a child who has an eating disorder which caused malnutrition (which certainly couldn’t be ARFID or binge eating junk food, no way, it’s always medically induced or diet culture induced anorexia) that they can’t even recognize their kid! Not physically, just like, who are they?! Their personality has completely changed as a result of the eating disorder! (Definitely not for puberty or anything, don’t worry.)
The BEAUTIFUL AND MIRACULOUS THING is that their beloved baby comes back once the kid is ‘renourished’! It’s the medication of food! Now, randomly, she’s talking specifically about GLP1s again, and that they affect the neurotransmitters, and the reward pathways, so YOU CAN IMAGINE (not ‘there is evidence’) a underlying psychiatric condition, it can be really destabilizing. It’s happening in real time so there’s no way for them to understand it right now, impossible. And no one has access to quality healthcare right now (true, but not a weapon for your arsenal you fucking charlatans), and you can just get it from a hotel lobby (in another country and the feed it to your kids I guess) and there are unknown consequences!!!
Virgie claims that GLP1s only advertise to lose weight NOW and FAST and actively discourage us from thinking about long term consequences and beg us not to mind the man behind the curtain! And we have no agency as a whole so yeah we’re going to do whatever ads tell us, inevitable. She thinks that GLP1s are MORE accessible to most Americans than ANY broad type of medical care (I’m sure the folks who can’t afford to see a doctor are just finding baggies of Ozempic in the park and immediately jabbing themselves, they’re so desperate and it’s so accessible.). The FACT is the American healthcare system isn’t robust enough to deal with the fallout of these medications on large scale!!!! People are disappearing before our eyes overnight and the Christians are freaking out because they think they’ve missed the rapture!!!! These are VERY SERIOUS CONSIDERATIONS we all need to be making.
And when it comes to medical ethics, when a patient is a child, who is really consenting? The parents, doctors, media???? (Again, valid point being misappropriated to push the anti health agenda, how very transparent of you, Virgie)
Lauren thinks about ethics a loooooot, especially in pediatrics and with consent. Lauren actually thinks people are expected to stay on GLP1s for DECADES or potentially THEIR WHOLE LIFE. (Dude I’m a fucking pleb and even I know that these are not lifelong dependencies jfc.). What are the ethics around that?! She’s been challenging herself to continue to ask question and learn (HA), because she does see a problem in the eating disorder field! Eating disorder professionals can be kinda rigid and black and white (do eating disorder specialists need therapy??). There’s supposed to be nuance! How do we honor patient autonomy? How to we make people learn that maybe the choice they made wasn’t a good one? (Once again, co-opting and misusing the fact that people do need to be well informed and practice critical thinking etc. This podcast is truly a masterclass in bad faith argumentation.)
Ope, Dr. Lauren ADMITS she’s the oppressor! She’s in a ‘smaller body’ and has never experienced discrimination!! BITCH!!! She ponders how we can ask questions and change our minds about things. How DO humans have autonomy? The true medical mystery.
Lauren vague-claims about missing ethics, asking questions, and using caution. Because no one ever considers these things, ever, especially in medicine and research. Ever. The research just IS NOT THERE YET!
Virgie reminds us that just because these life saving medications exist, their existence promotes and normalizes WEIGHT STIGMA.
Lauren says the FACT that this is even offered is NAMING the problem! It’s telling you you have a problem, and doesn’t even look at real health markers! (Like the health markers of obesity or binge eating disorders, right?). Just the CONVERSATION about it is creating harm! Oops better delete the podcast, Virgie! It is STIGMATIZING by just existing, and people are forced to cope with it’s existence. The existence of these products FORCES EVERYONE with an eating disorder to suffer and be triggered and lose recovery, it’s inevitable. And obviously eating disorders are RAMPANT and killing us in the billions every day. THE RESTRICTIVE SKINNY KIND, you bigot!!
Lauren thinks a lot about how healthcare is the source of the trauma. She had a young adult in recovery tell her that she doesn’t think she can change the discrimination she feels every day, she can’t change the culture, so she is FORCED to relapse and take the drugs if she wants to survive persecution! (Because the stigma and discrimination are against skinny people, right? Because the drug forces you to be… skinny? So if you’re forced to relapse on your ED, then you must be underweight, and they’re forcing you to stay underweight, right? Virgie’s problem is with people who are unhealthy and severely underweight, right??? I need a map.). Her patient knows it’s wrong but she MUST obey the system!
Virgie opines about her childhood, how she fantasized about EXTREME SELF HARM just to be thin. Do you think baby Virgie once though she could *gasp* NOT eat cake?!?! I can’t, it’s too painful
.Dr. Lauren wants all kids to know that they aren’t unhealthy in anyway, they are okay the way they are, they’re just at the doctors office for funsies. They DONT need this medication! They’re SAFER WITHOUT IT! We need to tell children that it’s SOCIETYS FAULT and we need to do a better job making them feel safe. (Better make sure their school doesn’t have a health and nutrition course while we’re at it, wouldn’t want any oppression to seep in.) she just doesn’t want them to feel alone, and she describes loneliness, in case we were confused.
Virgie asks Lauren the difference between the doctor enthusiastically throwing GLP1 scripts at everyone like Mardi gras beads in New Orleans versus the doctor who uses critical thinking first. Lauren’s specialty is eating disorders, so she has seen the harms of eating disorders. So in her opinion, she is the worlds expert on medications that CAUSE eating disorders and so when she sees them in the wild she instinctually knows they are bad. And when she thinks of the evil doctors that actually prescribe these meds, it’s obviously just a diabetes specialist, and they have accidentally equated health and weight, and they ONLY prescribe these to protect their patients from WEIGHT and definitely never diabetes and they’re just misguided, poor souls.
Lauren thinks all doctors are doing their best in the only way they know how, but they’re just not communicating, so people like her who are bravely raising the alarm and desperately trying to save lives are just going unheard. Medicine is pretty siloed (???). She wishes that doctors could just find a way to talk to each other. But clearly they’re different species to there is just no way to break through that language barrier. Big Bad Pharma would be SO MAD if they figured out how to communicate with each other, el oh el, but like if they could just figure out sleep hygiene and relationship dynamics and touching grass and having BALANCED NUTRITION (oh the irony), REGARDLESS OF WEIGHT, it would be far more helpful.
EVERY INSTITUTION SHE HAS EVER WORKED WITH has this issue, it’s bipartisan voting all over again. They just can’t come to terms and get along, it’s impossible! And those poor patients are in the crossfire.
Virgie wraps it up asking Lauren what the parents considering putting their child or themselves on a GLP1 should be asking themselves first.
Lauren would encourage them to be clear about their reason for wanting the meds. She has seen people who hoped that the meds would help their mood (??) or body image issues, only to find that those get WORSE on the meds and it’s too late and you can never stop a medication once you start it we all know this and there’s probably a safer way to improve your mental health, dummies. Think about it, is it even YOUR goal, you brainwashed piece of shit? Or is it SOCIETYS goal and you have no self control or autonomy because you’re an idiot and not a doctor like me? YOU DO NOT HAVE TO TAKE THIS MEDICATION! (Right they’re forcing it on us but we can also say no if we just stop being idiots, duh.This is a very novel thought.) Think about if you are vulnerable to spooky ookie EATING DISORDERS! The thin kind only, obviously. What if you want to stop it?? Is it possible??? You’re not alone! You need to listen to ME!
Virgie wants us to at least take this ONE THING from her episode: GLP1s come with a cost for children not yet studied and tested and published by anyone anywhere ever, so WATCH THE FUCK OUT!
She thanks her guest for her honesty, bravery, and commitment to kids who deserve more than shame from the fatphobic patriarchy. PLEASE share this episode; the GLP1 mythology is powerful, but the TRUTH is more important! (Fucking lol)
She’s Virgie Tovar, and until next time, don’t believe the hype! Unless it’s coming from her obviously!!
TL;DR: Virgie managed to find an FA doctor to 'interview', the only true good kind of doctor who isn't evil and doesn't have a secret agenda. They talk about how CHILDREN ARE BEING ABUSED AND DYING because they're ALL being forced to take GLP1s right now. They provide zero statistics or studies, for or against their argument, so just shut up and take their word for it, dummies. They co-opt real adolescent body image issues as evidence that everyone has an eating disorder (THE SKINNY KIND!) and pharma only exist to murder us with relapse.
Also, apologies for multi posting, I just feel each recap is so big it needs its own post. Thanks for your patience, I am a tech boomer!