After finally catching up with everything I have a few thoughts and things to reflect upon. Strap in, it's gonna be a rough ride.
First off I believe several of the events of the document probably did take place, Vinny had sex, my god. Not only is that no one's business but it's also not a pattern of abuse. I guess these people are strict monogomists or more likely just virgins that don't understand it's fine to have sex with multiple partners. However I do think the entire document is provided with very distorted context to paint this as manipulation and abuse. I am genuinely shocked at the evidence they did decide to provide in the document. The emails towards the end make Vinny seem like a genuine nice guy and the person that he is emailing a psychopath. I am not surprised a bunch of twitter faggots think this is something worth destroying someone over, anyway...
So what are the complaints by people who are sticking to this?
-MUH STD the STD thing is a sticking point for some people but it's utterly retarded. EVERY ADULT GETS HPV, there are fucking over 40 strains of it, there is no way to test for it in men. The only fucking way you know you have it is if you have symptoms and you can carry it for years and years with no symptoms. I wish some of these people would read a fucking book or do a google search once in a while.
- Power dynamics. These people don't understand what a power dynamic is. A power dynamic is when the CEO of the company comes into your office and tells you to suck him off otherwise you're getting fired. A power dynamic is when you are in a relationship with someone and they pay all your bills and they threaten to cut you off if you don't have sex with them. A power dynamic is when you actively seek out YouTuber's and Streamers with a large following to target and actively harm the reputation and career of a single individual. A power dynamic is not consensual sex with effort put into establishing the dynamics of the relationship beforehand. Clearly Vinny is not abusing a power dynamic.
Saying him having internet followers gives him a power dynamic is retarded. If you are stating this that means that you genuinely believe that all successful men have to be beholden to women who are more successful than them, otherwise in their own terms it would be abuse. Men and women are attracted to a lot of things, wealth, personality, looks, talent, etc. at this point we are starting to say that these women's attraction was not valid, and was only driven by Vinny's position. I don't want to assume too much but I genuinely believe the majority of these "victims" would have still slept with a man like Vinny given the opportunity even if he was not a streamer. It is only "wrong" because of his success. These are the same people that are openly supportive of loving who you want in the LGBTQ community, I guess just as long as they aren't successful. Let's not forget there are a number of YouTuber's and Streamers that have met and found their wives through their audience. I guess those people are just abusers and holding their wives against their will.
- It's an abusive pattern. Is there a pattern here? If all provided information were true then yes there is a pattern that Vinny has sex with women who like him and his content. Is it abusive? No. In fact the evidence we are provided shows a pattern of vinny being respectful, honest about his feelings, what he is looking for, talking about his feelings and emotions. Not only that but genuine remorse that he is emotionally unavailable. I'm sorry but I have met abusers before, someone who abuses does not exhibit these behaviours in such a consistent pattern. Not only that but over the years he has constantly spoken on his stream about not putting him on a pedestal, and that he was a normal human being capable of normal human things.
- The age gap. Yeah yeah, guess what not that long ago arranged marriages were a common thing, usually with girls in their young teens to older men. Now thanks to years of progress and womens rights they are free to choose what they do and who they bed, but I guess that certain people have set arbitrary limits on when a woman is actually capable of making her own decisions. I guess early 20s isn't good enough. I hate to break it to the people who are concerned about the age gap, you keep learning as you get older. You can get abused at any age, you can have people lie and manipulate you at any age. Just saying "but the girls were too young to know better" does NOT matter, they were not tricked, it was made very clear to them what the terms of intimacy were. If you genuinely think these women cannot make their own decisions you are essentially saying that all women are incapable of making their own decisions.
Was there something else? Is that it?
I can understand why some people might have issues with some of these things, but this is the real world not your twitter utopia where we all label ourselves with rainbows, pronouns and stars of david so we know who is who. None of these things are instances of abuse or harassment or sexual assault, all words I have seen associated with Vinny's actions. If you don't like these things tough shit, don't interact with Vinesauce, don't interact with their community, spout all you want about how evil successful men are on your twitter and stay in your lane.
But no that is not good enough for these people.
I think my biggest issue with all of this is all these people that are supposedly involved are against abuse, and harassment and hurting innocent people.
Well let's think about all of the things they did based on what we know:
1) As far back as December these people decided to form a private discord server for the sole purpose of "exposing" Vinny. Because of moral values, not because a crime was commited.
2) They attempted to gather other people that he had slept with that either already believed they were victims, or that they could convince were victims.
3) They spent months gathering evidence... in fact if this group originated back in December as we now know, that means that one of the most damning pieces (the heavily spliced audio of a call with Vinny recorded on a fucking sponge) was recorded SEVERAL MONTHS after this group originated. That means that they started this group and said "Hey we don't have enough evidence to take this guy down, X can you go tell him you have an STD so we can get something to seal the deal?" Now this is hypothetical whoever this person was who said they have HPV, which lets be real, they probably did because again if you fucking read a book EVERY SEXUALLY ACTIVE ADULT GETS SOME FORM OF IT ( Sorry I just hate stupid people).
Now there are MULTIPLE problems with this shit. First off that means that it was 100% something they knew wasn't convincing at all, and that they needed something more damning to even come forward with. Now for me the bigger problem is THE PEOPLE ORGANIZING THIS ACTIVELY ASKED SOMEONE WHO WAS ABUSED TO GET CLOSE TO THEIR ABUSER AGAIN TO GET EVIDENCE. Now I'm fucking sorry but as I've said, I have met people who have been abused, I understand how true abuse affects an individual. If you are an ally, and if you support victims and you want to help them YOU DO NOT FUCKING MAKE THEM GO BACK TO THEIR ABUSER TO FORM A BETTER FUCKING CASE. This clearly shows to me that this woman wasn't abused, she had a bad fucking relationship and was probably sad and hurt, and these people convinced her that was abuse, and then made her go out and talk to Vinny again just to bring him down. Disgusting. Absolutely revolting. Far worse than sleeping with some fans I'm sorry.
4) As was posted here there was previously a tumblr that was trying to out vinny with stories.
It was lazy, KF spammed it, they actively got pissed with how many people were trying to defend vinny in the submissions. It's pretty clear that this Tumblr was set up either to test the waters, or to try and find more people that they could USE for their plan to take down vinny. At first I thought it was just a dumb blog, but now it appears like it was more of a recruitment tool. Get submissions from women who slept with vinny, and then get them to join your server, ask them what evidence they got and see if its worth using. Either that or an attempt to lure in women and then convince them that they have been abused and that they should speak out. Unfortunately i don't have archives of some of those final posts, but the vernacular did read somewhat like RedBard. There isn't really any evidence though, unfortunately a dead end.
5) Get multiple Streamers and YouTuber's with large followings to "signal boost" the planned tweet as soon as it goes out from the anonymous account.
Again I believe we have learned that this would be considered abusing a power dynamic, or at least leveraging your supposed power as an influencer to directly harm an individual. That's strange I thought we were against that, but I guess when they do it it's fine. So Mandalore, Shammy, 8BitBrody, GPM, RedBard (not sure if I missed any of the instant retweeters) all felt it was appropriate to use their "power and influence" to target an individual. Mandalore, Shammy and GPM all walked back on their statements, wrote bigger fucking apologies than Vinny did and then bounced without naming names, just saying they knew it was from "a trusted source". I find it interesting that 8BitBrody retweeted and then totally disappeared, and RedBard retweeted and then doubled down with her own doc. Considering the screenshots from their discord server with RedBard it's clear she is one of the organizers, personally I believe that 8Bit is too. I think he would have jumped ship like Mandalore, Shammy and GPM once the heat started getting turned up unless he was heavily invested in the situation. Not that it's any of our business, but I do find it interesting some of the things that he may have retweeted prior to the formation of this group in December. Like in November? You'd have to look into that yourself though.
6) Including the account of someone without their consent and then absolutely ghosting the person when they reached out to get it removed.
It's strange because I would consider this some form of harassment and manipulation when you use someone's words against their wishes and twist their meaning out of context. Same with ghosting and not taking accountability for doing that. They had the ability to edit the doc to remove images, and change things after people started to poke some holes in the statements, yet they couldn't have the dignity to remove the twisted words of another young woman? So I guess it's ok to manipulate young women if you are doing it to protect the victims? It's ok to ghost them when they don't want their reputation tarnished and their words used for a purpose they don't agree with, but it's not ok to ghost them after having sex when you tell them it's a one and done deal? Strange logic.
7) Doing this whole fucking thing at all.
Ultimately this wasn't about protecting victims or women, It was about revenge. Genuinely even though I think RedBard and 8BitBrody may have helped orchestrate this entire shindig, I believe one of the victims listed in the document was actually the one with the most nefarious intent. Perhaps they did believe they were abused because they are mentally unstable, but I believe they manipulated and convinced some of the other people in the document to join their crusade with the help of RedBard and 8BitBrody. It is really not hard to lie and say that you are a victim because you want to get back at someone that pissed you off, you're still not a victim just because you didn't get a ring after sex. Were some of these chicks hurt by the pump and dump? Probably, but I think all of us who have ever experience relationships with normal people know that getting hurt is part of normal life and relationships, nothing is ever perfect.
However what is not normal is specifically targeting your ex and TRYING TO DESTROY THEIR REPUTATION AND CAREER
That is just straight up harassment, and abuse. Far more than simply sleeping with a fan.
The bottom line is from where I'm standing, the accusers used abusive and manipulative tactics on orders of magnitude higher than the alleged actions of the accused to damage them in a way that is orders of magnitude higher than the damage that the accused allegedly did to the supposed victims.
To anyone who is still supporting these filthy people, I implore you to think of the actions that they took to "out this abuser" and think about whether or not you got duped by arguably more harmful and nefarious individuals.
I could keep going, but if you haven't changed your mind about this situation yet or on the fence, I don't think there is anything that will change your mind short of a lobotomy.
edit:
Sorry I know your eyes are getting heavy, but I forgot something. I can see the justification of people saying that "Vinny needs to be stopped so no more people get hurt" although you know anyone is capable of hurting someone in a relationship regardless of status, still not abuse, but anyway...
One of the overlooked aspects of this is that these actions did not only affect vinny. I have watched Twitter, 4ch, Kiwi, other wretched hives of scum and villainy and one of the consistent things I saw was how much these accusations hurt SO MANY PEOPLE. Not just Vinny. Vinny was a man that brought joy to thousands of people, messages saying that vinny helped stop them from killing themselves, vinny helped them discover their passion for music and to be a musician, vinny inspired them to create art and improve their skills. This man was an inspiration and he built a community from the ground up that uplifted the lives of A LOT of people. Not to mention the direct effect on the people who help Vinny manage all of this, his mods, his friends, his streamer peers etc.
And we also shouldn't gloss over that this man helped build up a charity event that has raised A FUCK LOAD of money for fucking sick kids dying of cancer. My fucking god, And these people want to watch that crumble and disappear. I hope Vinny will return to streaming in the future but I genuinely am not sure if he will, he seems like a fragile person and this may have pushed him too far. I hope the accusers realize that they have hurt far more people than Vinny ever could have in his entire lifetime even if he was fucking a new fan every week. I am simply astounded that we allow this to happen in our society. These bottom feeder mentally unstable manipulative and abusive people should leave this planet because they contribute nothing to society and are wasting our fucking oxygen. I'm done.
