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Dunkin DoNUT said:
I need a refresher, what happened again with Jerma?
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Trannyshit continually infested his community and he did nothing to quell it, his active reaction to chat and even naming users continually made it worse. He basically encouraged it until it culminated in him saying some generic 'stop the hatespeech' style response when other chatters tried to call out the trans spam in chat, which while it wasn't geared towards anyone specific, the troons took it as Jerma blatantly supporting them and got even worse. Jerma streams basically became a containment zone for Twitch trannies, and his fanbase as a whole had a generous proportion of trans and other gendershit by the time he announced his retirement. That's some of what I've gathered of the situation, anyways. Didn't watch him live much but the amount of trans hearts, gay hearts posted in chat constantly was like a flood. His mods were complicit in this and I'd imagine several were LGBT.

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likeacrackado said:
It was probably inevitable as he got popular, but the hbomberguy host(early 2018 iirc) is the event I point to as bringing in a bunch of them at once. The HBG stream was a fundraiser for a UK trans kids charity(thinly veiled grooming operation) and the people watching it got sent directly to Jerma's channel. He also started using Discord for community stuff and showing fanart on stream(didn't take long for it to be flooded with cross-dressing sex fetish material, this is how the catboy shit took off). The troons would hijack his chat and try to get people banned if they complained about the influx of random trans right pride flag spam. If you mentioned the chat rules around politics they'd hit you with the "trans rights aren't politics" and the mods at the time more or less let them get away with it. It came to a head and Jerma addressed the situation basically telling people to calm down and not be hateful, troons took his statements as a greenlight to push out the remainder of the old audience who criticized them.
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Toolbox said:
Trannyshit continually infested his community and he did nothing to quell it, his active reaction to chat and even naming users continually made it worse. He basically encouraged it until it culminated in him saying some generic 'stop the hatespeech' style response when other chatters tried to call out the trans spam in chat, which while it wasn't geared towards anyone specific, the troons took it as Jerma blatantly supporting them and got even worse. Jerma streams basically became a containment zone for Twitch trannies, and his fanbase as a whole had a generous proportion of trans and other gendershit by the time he announced his retirement. That's some of what I've gathered of the situation, anyways. Didn't watch him live much but the amount of trans hearts, gay hearts posted in chat constantly was like a flood. His mods were complicit in this and I'd imagine several were LGBT.
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Also these new users flocking to his chat were OBSESSED with him and his face. They would whine and complain the entire stream for him to turn on his facecam, which iirc he was never a big fan of having on. The chat would constantly call him "handsome" and "cute" if he had his cam on. It was insufferable.
 
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Toolbox said:
Trannyshit continually infested his community and he did nothing to quell it, his active reaction to chat and even naming users continually made it worse. He basically encouraged it until it culminated in him saying some generic 'stop the hatespeech' style response when other chatters tried to call out the trans spam in chat, which while it wasn't geared towards anyone specific, the troons took it as Jerma blatantly supporting them and got even worse. Jerma streams basically became a containment zone for Twitch trannies, and his fanbase as a whole had a generous proportion of trans and other gendershit by the time he announced his retirement. That's some of what I've gathered of the situation, anyways. Didn't watch him live much but the amount of trans hearts, gay hearts posted in chat constantly was like a flood. His mods were complicit in this and I'd imagine several were LGBT.
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God help Vinny. I know he's currently doing that pozzed game that is Hades 2, and him naturally being a Nintendie, he WILL play TTYD remake when he gets his hands on them
 
Dunkin DoNUT said:
God help Vinny. I know he's currently doing that pozzed game that is Hades 2, and him naturally being a Nintendie, he WILL play TTYD remake when he gets his hands on them
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He'll be fine. Worst case scenario he'll tell chat to chill or hit the Duck Button.
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What'll most likely end up happening is when he gets to Vivian's backstory in Chapter 4, he'll give a generic "Good for them/her" while ignoring chat's sperging.
If he has any sense of good comedy timing left in him, he'll switch to Madame Flurrie once he gets his party back, say he "missed best girl and them DSLs" and then cackle at the end.
 
Peguin Sandwich said:
He'll be fine. Worst case scenario he'll tell chat to chill or hit the Duck Button.
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What'll most likely end up happening is when he gets to Vivian's backstory in Chapter 4, he'll give a generic "Good for them/her" while ignoring chat's sperging.
If he has any sense of good comedy timing left in him, he'll switch to Madame Flurrie once he gets his party back, say he "missed best girl and them DSLs" and then cackle at the end.
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Watch Vinny just avoid having Vivian in his party when possible. Troons will cope and seethe and claim he's doing it to stop misbehaving transphobes in chat complaining about it, and isn't doing it to avoid the troons spamming flags and jerking themselves off endlessly any time Vivian is on screen.
 
Peguin Sandwich said:
What'll most likely end up happening is when he gets to Vivian's backstory in Chapter 4, he'll give a generic "Good for them/her" while ignoring chat's sperging.
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There's no way he'll get cancelled for accidentally calling Vivian a man, in Vinny's head she's likely just a true and honest woman because that's what she was in the original English localization.
 
Being a dedicated Joey watcher and fan for over a decade now, I know complaining about his streaming schedule is old news. He's never been great at keeping a schedule or streaming with any regular cadence; when he says he'll stream tomorrow, he normally means a week from now, when he says the stream will be 5 hours, he ends it in 2. But I really, seriously can't help but notice how bad it is in 2024. He spent such a significant amount of the year working on the Signal Simulator video, then visiting America, now making a digital board game?

It's really starting to hurt his channel, I don't think he really cares though. I'm sure he has enough money squirreled away and enough passive income from YouTube clips, etc to survive in an apartment in bumfuck nowhere Sweden. I've noticed that the last few times he streams he gets a paltry number of viewers, averaging around 2k. When he was streaming Joey's Castle he was at like 1.5k average and like 2k peak. Those are really low numbers for him, he's never been super famous but I remember just a few years ago during the Doom Eternal streams, GTA streams, and some of the other good ones he would get 5-6k.
 
John Ligma said:
Being a dedicated Joey watcher and fan for over a decade now, I know complaining about his streaming schedule is old news. He's never been great at keeping a schedule or streaming with any regular cadence; when he says he'll stream tomorrow, he normally means a week from now, when he says the stream will be 5 hours, he ends it in 2. But I really, seriously can't help but notice how bad it is in 2024. He spent such a significant amount of the year working on the Signal Simulator video, then visiting America, now making a digital board game?

It's really starting to hurt his channel, I don't think he really cares though. I'm sure he has enough money squirreled away and enough passive income from YouTube clips, etc to survive in an apartment in bumfuck nowhere Sweden. I've noticed that the last few times he streams he gets a paltry number of viewers, averaging around 2k. When he was streaming Joey's Castle he was at like 1.5k average and like 2k peak. Those are really low numbers for him, he's never been super famous but I remember just a few years ago during the Doom Eternal streams, GTA streams, and some of the other good ones he would get 5-6k.
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As someone who has never been good at finding the time to watch streams live, I've been watching Joel's VOD uploads pretty consistently since 2017 and usually I'm always a good handful of streams behind catching up to everything he's uploaded, but starting this year I've been close to on top of all his uploads fairly regularly. I'm finally feeling the influence of the "joey joey wen stream" people because I'm about 25% through the latest Signal Simulator upload and that's all I have left of the streams I was catching up on, which I think is the first time I've been completely on top of his uploads.

And to be fair he's streamed a good 5-6 times since he last uploaded onto the channel so I'm hoping there's a backlog waiting to get pushed out, but I can really feel the slowdown of content now. It feels like he's always been comfortable treating streaming as a hobby that he makes money out of though so I can't really blame him for wanting to slow down if he has other things he's focused on, but to speak as non-parasocially as possible, it feels really weird not having a bunch of Joey streams to catch up on.
 
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It feels like he's always been comfortable treating streaming as a hobby that he makes money out of though so I can't really blame him for wanting to slow down if he has other things he's focused on, but to speak as non-parasocially as possible, it feels really weird not having a bunch of Joey streams to catch up on.
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I think I'm just overthinking it, but I've always kind of disliked when Joey and Vinny say that streaming is just a hobby to them when it's very obviously their primary source of income. We both know that Joey isn't going out and working at a Lidl in his downtime; I'm sure he makes some money from his music, but a lot of that is predicated on his notoriety as a Twitch streamer. For some reason it always felt a little dismissive of the reality of their situation to me.

Vinny has pulled that card a few times in the last few years too and every time I think that it's silly. Streaming was a hobby to him at the start, but I distinctly remember him quitting his job at the factory, rushing home, going live and talking to his audience on Vinesauce.com that he was going to be pivoting to streaming full-time. To downplay it now as "just a hobby" is silly, being an internet funnyman is how he pays his bills and if he stopped doing it he would have to get a job elsewhere. If you can't quit your hobby due to financial reasons it's not much of a hobby anymore.
 
John Ligma said:
Being a dedicated Joey watcher and fan for over a decade now, I know complaining about his streaming schedule is old news. He's never been great at keeping a schedule or streaming with any regular cadence; when he says he'll stream tomorrow, he normally means a week from now, when he says the stream will be 5 hours, he ends it in 2. But I really, seriously can't help but notice how bad it is in 2024. He spent such a significant amount of the year working on the Signal Simulator video, then visiting America, now making a digital board game?

It's really starting to hurt his channel, I don't think he really cares though. I'm sure he has enough money squirreled away and enough passive income from YouTube clips, etc to survive in an apartment in bumfuck nowhere Sweden. I've noticed that the last few times he streams he gets a paltry number of viewers, averaging around 2k. When he was streaming Joey's Castle he was at like 1.5k average and like 2k peak. Those are really low numbers for him, he's never been super famous but I remember just a few years ago during the Doom Eternal streams, GTA streams, and some of the other good ones he would get 5-6k.
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Outdated but I ran the numbers awhile back and Joel has consistently been streaming less and less each year for the past few years.
 

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John Ligma said:
I think I'm just overthinking it, but I've always kind of disliked when Joey and Vinny say that streaming is just a hobby to them when it's very obviously their primary source of income. We both know that Joey isn't going out and working at a Lidl in his downtime; I'm sure he makes some money from his music, but a lot of that is predicated on his notoriety as a Twitch streamer. For some reason it always felt a little dismissive of the reality of their situation to me.
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Which, when referencing the chart posted just above, begs the question:

How the fuck does Joel pay his bills, while streaming occasionally, and going on costly trips every year?

Have we missed something?

EDIT: And no, and don't see his music as a source of substantial income.
 
Slurgle said:
Which, when referencing the chart posted just above, begs the question:

How the fuck does Joel pay his bills, while streaming occasionally, and going on costly trips every year?

Have we missed something?

EDIT: And no, and don't see his music as a source of substantial income.
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He's not in New York or California as streamers with 10k+ viewers who stream every day, do sponsorships, sell merch and pictures of their assholes and complain about being barely able to survive. Maybe living in his scandinavian shithole is so inexpensive that even in one month of not streaming he makes more than enough money to pay rent and buy food for like a year.
 
Slurgle said:
EDIT: And no, and don't see his music as a source of substantial income.
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I'd actually say that both Joel and Vinny's music projects are money sinks, paying for studio time and producers/mixing is very costly. Not to say they aren't untalented, it just takes quite a bit of touring + merch sales to break even/turn a profit, which neither of them do as far as I am aware.
 
CharcoalChkn said:
I'd actually say that both Joel and Vinny's music projects are money sinks, paying for studio time and producers/mixing is very costly. Not to say they aren't untalented, it just takes quite a bit of touring + merch sales to break even/turn a profit, which neither of them do as far as I am aware.
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I believe aside from one track on Scythelord's last album, Joel actually does the mixing/production all by himself.

Okay, for the sake of autistic detail: he did also get Baconguden and some other guy to co-produce one track each on Skeleton Metal X, but the point still stands.
 
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