🐱 Viking hordes ‘may have been trans’

Viking hordes ‘may have been trans’ | Scotland | The Sunday Times

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Transgender warriors were among the Vikings who ransacked Scotland more than 1,000 years ago, a leading historian believes.
Sacha Coward, who specialises in gender and sexuality, said it would be “a mistake” to believe that Viking society subscribed to traditional gender roles, after recent discoveries suggested that some celebrated warriors were female.
“The stories you hear are of fierce hotblooded warrior men, of violence and pillage,” said Coward. “This notion can make it hard for us to look at the 8th to 11th centuries in Scotland without a strong cisgender and heterosexual bias. It can be a challenge to see the roles of gender non-conforming people, to pull apart the understanding of gender, sex and identity as they really were for the people who we now call Vikings.


“At the very least, men and women in Viking society could break from traditional constructs of male and female roles and it is possible that we are talking about people who would today identify as transgender or nonbinary.”
A 10th-century burial site at Birka in Sweden which was excavated in 1878 had been assumed to belong to a high-status male warrior. In 2017, however, the skeletal remains were confirmed as female.
Neil Price, professor of archaeology at the University of Uppsala, Sweden, previously observed that the female Viking may “have been transgender”.
“We know that the gender identity of a person in the Norse period was often tied to their role in Viking society, not just the biology they were born with,” said Coward. “Queer theory is an important part of archaeology and can help us understand the complexity and diversity of past societies.”

 

[Fagnacious D]

Everyone in history was gay, black and/or, trans. They were all loved and celebrated equally.
White people only showed up about 200 years ago or so and enslaved them. Evil white people stole their history, their technology and their culture.

 

[Prophetic Spirit]

A 10th-century burial site at Birka in Sweden which was excavated in 1878 had been assumed to belong to a high-status male warrior. In 2017, however, the skeletal remains were confirmed as female.
Neil Price, professor of archaeology at the University of Uppsala, Sweden, previously observed that the female Viking may “have been transgender”.
“We know that the gender identity of a person in the Norse period was often tied to their role in Viking society, not just the biology they were born with,” said Coward. “Queer theory is an important part of archaeology and can help us understand the complexity and diversity of past societies.”

With only one skeleton?
What the actual fuck. Transfuckers probably existed since the dawn of times but they're always a minority since they're always fucked either by society or themselfes.
L M A O.

 

[murph]

Those bitches were tall

 

[REGENDarySumanai]

Wrong. Either this is ideologically slanted or it's a mistake.

 

[updoot farmer]

Gender is a social construct of primarily a european judeo-christian society.

 

[Jimmy Pop]

You can’t apply todays standards to the past, it just doesn’t make sense

 

[EepEep]

Nothing in the article explains why they thought the skeleton was male in the first place.
Are they also suggesting women warriors can't exist without thinking they're men? Was Boudica trans too?
Why is it always female to male?
They tried this shit with Hatshepsut back in the day and it was just as dumb because they had to ignore all the evidence that suggested Egypt was heteronormative and other cultural shit may explain why things happened the way they did.

 

[The Magnificence]

...because a biological female cannot possibly engage in any activity coded masculine w/o being a fucking troon.

JFC these people are more sexist than the absolute most conservative Baptist bible-thumpers I have known...

 

[Glowing In The Streets]

Everyone in history was gay, black and/or, trans. They were all loved and celebrated equally.
White people only showed up about 200 years ago or so and enslaved them. Evil white people stole their history, their technology and their culture.

ahem, have you ever heard of Yakub?

 

[Jimjamflimflam]

A 10th-century burial site at Birka in Sweden which was excavated in 1878 had been assumed to belong to a high-status male warrior. In 2017, however, the skeletal remains were confirmed as female.

No tomboys allowed, must have been a tranny

 

[Nick Gars]

It would be nice if Vikings were still around... Because I'd love for this Sacha Coward (heh) to call one a faggot to their face.

 

[FILTH Tourist]

If I recall correctly the female "warror" didn't show any signs of injuries common to warriors like cuts or broken bones. Even if a warrior survives and recovers evidence of the injuries will still be there. Also we know very little about viking funeral rights and her being a warrior is just one theory. My idea she could have been buried with her husband's stuff in his place because his body was not recovered.

 

[The Nothingness]

I'm curious if any of these types of articles have ever been written for non-white tribes such as ones in Africa, the Middle East, South, Central, and North America. And if not, why not?

 

[CharlesBarkley]

I wanna see an article like this but they do it with a culture that is a bit more aggressive. "Were ancient Chinese Warlords gay homo's who loved buttsex and consuming cum while dressed as women? The answer may surprise you!"

 

[Cool kitties club]

So trannies were rapist looter murders? I don't think this is the win they think it is. Of course assuming this isn't just academics using slightly non-standard gender roles as evidence of troonery like they do with Native Americans.

 

[Plaintiff is fat]

down with gender roles! ...oh, this two dudes at Pompeii were hugging at they got engulfed in ash and fire? surely they were a couple of fags!

 

[Tasty Tatty]

With only one skeleton?
What the actual fuck. Transfuckers probably existed since the dawn of times but they're always a minority since they're always fucked either by society or themselfes.
L M A O.

It's worse than that. They assume that because a person dressed as the other sex, they were trans, which is absurd now as it was absurd there. The most ridiculous example of that trope is that Joan of Arc was "queer".

I agree though that transgender and gender freaks have always existed, but the ones who were respected in their societies were probably just one or two. The rest likely were either entertainers or prostitutes. And the prostitutes were likely more respected.

 

[Sithis]

They're called Shield-maidens you fucking retards. The Vikings weren't trans, some of their women were just tougher and more manly and badass than any limp wristed soy drinking faggots and probably a big chunk of the normal dudes out there too. And it wasn't some flowery faggotry about gender roles as much as just part of their culture that women could either choose to stay home and tend the farm or could go get killed/spill blood in combat because that's really 99% of what most of the Vikings had going on.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

They're called Shield-maidens you fucking retards. The Vikings weren't trans, some of their women were just tougher and more manly and badass than any limp wristed soy drinking faggots and probably a big chunk of the normal dudes out there too. And it wasn't some flowery faggotry about gender roles as much as just part of their culture that women could either choose to stay home and tend the farm or could go get killed/spill blood in combat because that's really 99% of what most of the Vikings had going on.

It was not only in Viking culture. Most cultures needed women to be part of their life because life was harsh for everyone.

There is vid of one of those experts who are called to react to modern media depiction of their craft, this one specifically is a ancient warfare historian. He said how inaccurate was GoT showing women being sent to hide during a siege because women also participated, just like children and old people: carrying water, putting fires down, bringing weapons, tending the wounded, etc.

Once you think about it, it makes perfect sense and it sounds logical enough you don't need a historian to tell you this. Imagine people protecting their home and saying that the perfectly capable, healthy, and young half of their inhabitants should just sit down and hide.