Venezuela's collapse - Socialism. Socialism never changes.

  • Want to keep track of this thread?
    Accounts can bookmark posts, watch threads for updates, and jump back to where you stopped reading.
    Create account
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/16/w...inside-venezuelas-failing-hospitals.html?_r=1

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-floor-doctors-try-operate-without-tools.html

I'd call this whole story self explanatory really.

In a piss poor attempt at eliminating a medium-sized black market the government introduced strict new foreign currency laws, effectively banning the exchange of local currency for US dollars, Euros or British Sterling.

This has had a disastrous domino effect on the wider economy, with businesses unable to import and export vital goods and services, the economy has been slowly collapsing.

This has now begun to bite hard into the medical sector, with no ability to import much equipment and other necessities such as drugs Venezuela's hospitals are rapidly becoming a disaster zone.

This is in spite of the fact that the government of Maduro continues to spout out increasingly deluded statements and claims that Venezuela has a great healthcare system and isn't increasingly a bankrupted shithole that has run out of toilet paper, oil, and other basic necessities.
 
Think you can flee to Costa Rica, Belize, Uruguay, or really anywhere that's less fucked? Possibly even Aleppo?

Everyone here wants to go to chile,colombia or panama, heck even trinidad is a better place that this shithole

I was planning to leaving the country but my boss said that if maduro falls there is going to be a lot of work to do, going to wait until the referendum to decide
 
Everyone here wants to go to chile,colombia or panama, heck even trinidad is a better place that this shithole

I was planning to leaving the country but my boss said that if maduro falls there is going to be a lot of work to do, going to wait until the referendum to decide
I'm actually looking to get involved with South American banking.

Mind if I send you a PM? I wanna know how to do it legally and successfully. I might even be able to get you work outside the country.
 
I doubt maduro will respect any results that may remove him.
 
He actually did when he began to expropriate farms and industries by the dozens to "give them to the people" the result was ironically creating a monopoly where one company produced almost ALL the food in the country (Polar Industries), Chavez hated that company but was terrified of touching it, maduro has tried to kill it indirectly (by not giving them any dollars) but it was unsuccessful

He hated it but didn't actually wreck it. He also tried to get elected basically dictator for life twice, and it was voted down, and he accepted the vote. His policies certainly damaged the economy but he always had the basic pragmatism and competence not to actually destroy it utterly. It's the difference between minimal competence and suicidal insanity.
 
Mind if I send you a PM? I wanna know how to do it legally and successfully

Don't know much about that, we don't have a exchange policy, is not like you can bring euros and dollar change it to bolivares and open a account here, the only way i can imagine is that you exchange it in colombia then bring bolivares here but is a huge pain in the ass, opening a banking account is exclusive to citizens or to people that have a business here.

also if you come here dont bring any cash, the national guard will confiscate it (aka steal it) and make you pass a bad time in immigration, people here crave for dollars because only 10 dollars is enough to live relatively well, there was even a joke that the best bank in venezuela was amazon because people payed for thing using amazon gift cards, but that was when we could use our credit cards to buy things on it
 
Don't know much about that, we don't have a exchange policy, is not like you can bring euros and dollar change it to bolivares and open a account here, the only way i can imagine is that you exchange it in colombia then bring bolivares here but is a huge pain in the ass, opening a banking account is exclusive to citizens or to people that have a business here.

also if you come here dont bring any cash, the national guard will confiscate it (aka steal it) and make you pass a bad time in immigration, people here crave for dollars because only 10 dollars is enough to live relatively well, there was even a joke that the best bank in venezuela was amazon because people payed for thing using amazon gift cards, but that was when we could use our credit cards to buy things on it
Dude can't you just leave?
People are literally eating rotten trash to live and inflation is probably the biggest in the world now.
Our army is constantly drilling to transport troops to a border in the case of a civil war and the recent change in the Venezuela's armed forces put our chiefs of staff on alert.
 
Don't know much about that, we don't have a exchange policy, is not like you can bring euros and dollar change it to bolivares and open a account here, the only way i can imagine is that you exchange it in colombia then bring bolivares here but is a huge pain in the ass, opening a banking account is exclusive to citizens or to people that have a business here.

also if you come here dont bring any cash, the national guard will confiscate it (aka steal it) and make you pass a bad time in immigration, people here crave for dollars because only 10 dollars is enough to live relatively well, there was even a joke that the best bank in venezuela was amazon because people payed for thing using amazon gift cards, but that was when we could use our credit cards to buy things on it
I'm not crazy. I'm looking at Uruguayan banking for my needs.

Rubles are a better investment than the Bolivar.
 
Dude can't you just leave?
People are literally eating rotten trash to live and inflation is probably the biggest in the world now.
Our army is constantly drilling to transport troops to a border in the case of a civil war and the recent change in the Venezuela's armed forces put our chiefs of staff on alert.

He know he is fucked but the military and the other members of the PSUV dont want to leave the power because if they lose it then they are going to jail and not by venezuelan laws, the other option is cutting a deal with the opposition but they are too arrogant for that, by now they are making anything in their power to avoid the referendum or at least delay it until next year, why? by law if the referendum is this year and we win all his cabinet goes with him, but if its is next year then the vicepresident (aristobulo isturiz famous for being a traitor and a whore) assume the presidency then they are going to asspull something stupid to get maduro in power again

If nothing terrible happen then the referendum must be in november
 
My time to shine!



There the oil company was a private company and the guerrillas were the good guys



The original plan of chavez was to use the profits of the oil sales to "cultivate it" aka using that profit to create another sources of money, instead he whored PDVSA and created shitloads of mini companies that doesnt do jackshit (PDV Alimentario, PDV Agricola), after his death was discovered that those stupid places are a heaven to launder money



When chavez was alive this was true, it was not weird seeing people fighting in the streets because they were pro government, but sadly "love with hunger doesnt last" when shit hited the fan the chaviztas bleeded support everywhere and the result was the massive disaster of the parliamentary elections where we won by landslide



Pretty much, there are only a handful of countries who give a damn but are unimportant like trinidad and tobago and bolivia, in the last OEA metting our councilor was practically humiliated in front of the world, when she leaved the building people were insulting her and throwing things to her car



He actually did when he began to expropriate farms and industries by the dozens to "give them to the people" the result was ironically creating a monopoly where one company produced almost ALL the food in the country (Polar Industries), Chavez hated that company but was terrified of touching it, maduro has tried to kill it indirectly (by not giving them any dollars) but it was unsuccessful



"peasant" paramilitary? ahhh the "reserves" jajaja dont worry about them those fuckers are old people that get a tugboat only to appear in speechs and festivals, they dont have any kind of training or weapons, they are only given a uniform,a tugboat and a "cestaticket" is like american food stamps i think



Those thinks never arrived by the way, the army are still using old stuffs, and the newer they never used it because there is no money to buy parts



And maduro refuse to print bills with more denomination to get you a example the most valuable bill is the 100 bs.f one but with that you cant even buy a can of coke



Yep but in his last days chavez rectified a little and there was food but then maduro was chosen as his substitute and things got awry from there



There is a little misconception there, yes he was in the peak of popularity but inside his own base, the chavizmo has been bleeding supporters for years, when food began to dissapear, and the promises of houses,cars and all the things were next to impossible to fulfill then people began to dissent, when maduro was elected he only won by a tiny margin than everyone knows he rigged, from there his popularity when downhill until the inevitable 6D when it was proven that NO ONE WANT HIM

Also according to the government chavez was killed by nanomachines that produce cancer, im not kidding



He is going to be killed by the mafias he support, is not a secret that the Venezuelan government is the biggest cartel of drugs in this side of the planet to the point that the nephews (raised by her) of the first lady were caught with tons of drugs in haiti and are being judged in New york right now, according to the rumors the DEA has enough info to fuck a lot of people here, they are only waiting for the referendum



Oh yes, maduro even did a tour to all the countries in the OPEC to beg for a raise in the price, when that did not work he tried to go to china to ask for another loan, then china said no because maduro and chavez wasted two loans in electoral propaganda and bribes



We are not at war, the thing that exist is apathy, people stopped caring because the opposition is almost as useless as them, the thing is so bad that the new theme of propaganda of the opposition is to say people that dont lose hope and there are better days to come, people still cant forgive that capriles let maduro win because he doesnt want a "bloodshed", that is the infamous "go dance salsa" incident



He did not stacked with his buddies, he stacked it with people that did not join the national protest when every company and even PDVSA employees did not go to work, because things were going to the shit, Chavez then decided to fire all the people (in PDVSA) that join it and put morons in charge, the result were obvious with the peak of idiocy was reached when the refinery in amuay exploded in such a spectacular faction that the military HQ that was nearby dissapeared and the personal inside died, the refinery was burning for days until chavez finally gave up and ask USA for help



He doesnt have the balls to do it, he has another things to worry, like the interamerican democratic carter, he is terrified of that thing because he knows what happened to the last idiot that got the carter activated



They are not going to prison, one of the bad things in this place is how horrible the justice system is, they are going to have a slap in the wrist and the thing they stole confiscated (or in a good day you can pay a little to the cops to take the items home)



No, but all the other states have to pay the price so caracas never lack electricity, we have shortages of power from monday to friday for three hours (it was 4 hours everyday)
thank you for your insight. take care kiwi.
 
Here's some more depressing news from the other armpit of South America: In order to try and combat the food crisis, President Maduro is ordering that anyone and everyone can now be conscripted to work at the farms for an indefinite amount of time. This will totally not lead to any sort of revolt and will definitely solve any food crisis issues that the country has. Even Amnesty International has criticized the move as "trying to treat a broken leg with a bandaid".

Also related to the food crisis, starving Venezuelans have repeatedly broken into the Caracas Zoo (having lost about fifty animals to starvation in recent months) and butchered a black stallion, among other animals, for their meat. Also the military is starting to crack down on people filming the long lines for basic necessities. This totally isn't going to get any worse at all. /sarcasm
 
Last edited:
I doubt maduro will respect any results that may remove him.

The regime's in survival mode. Once global oil prices started going down and the Venezuelan economy started tanking (people keep leaving out that part of this equation for the record) the government made increasingly stupid decisions in an attempt to keep things somewhat afloat. Ironically this just fucked them over in turns of the global market even more. Now the only way the government thinks it can save itself is by going even further down the commie rabbit hole, which is (surprise surprise) not doing them many favors.

Moderate state socialism works fine if the government is actually intelligent and realistic about the limits of its own economic influence. Venezuela's isn't. They basically thought they could compete with global market pressures by cutting themselves off from said market. Doesn't work that way. On top of that the government is highly corrupt and many of its decisions are aimed at benefiting certain powerful individuals moreso than the economy. Now they either abdicate or they crack down and resort to extreme measures to deal with the food shortage. I'll give it about a year before Maduro's getting lynched in the street.
 
I'll give it about a year before Maduro's getting lynched in the street.

With how little food they have, I think it could be sooner unless they get more food into the country.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
The Venezuelans also nationalized the toilet paper factory and ordered the workers (who now own and are responsible for it) to "start manufacturing again" in spite of the fact the factory stopped because there were no raw resources available.

#Socialistlogic.

It's amazing how a huge chunk of this basically started because people were starting to use U.S Dollars and other currencies worth spit in day to day transactions as opposed to the fucking Bolivar.
 
The Venezuelans also nationalized the toilet paper factory and ordered the workers (who now own and are responsible for it) to "start manufacturing again" in spite of the fact the factory stopped because there were no raw resources available.

#Socialistlogic.

It's amazing how a huge chunk of this basically started because people were starting to use U.S Dollars and other currencies worth spit in day to day transactions as opposed to the fucking Bolivar.
If you wanna go back really far, you can also blame Saudi Arabia, who amped up their production to smother the US's oil boom in the crib.

Who knows how much damage'll be tied to that in the history books?
 
The regime's in survival mode. Once global oil prices started going down and the Venezuelan economy started tanking (people keep leaving out that part of this equation for the record) the government made increasingly stupid decisions in an attempt to keep things somewhat afloat.

Another irony is they can legitimately say "Thanks Obama" for at least part of that, as Obama made it a campaign promise and actually did a lot to lower those oil prices. Or hey, you might want to give oil companies the credit for it. Either way, though, they can blame Americans.
 
Back
Top Bottom