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Statement by a Treasury Spokesperson on Venezuela

January 25, 2019
Washington – A U.S. Department of the Treasury Spokesperson today issued the following statement on Venezuela:

“This week, President Trump recognized Juan Guaidó as the interim President of Venezuela. Diplomatic and economic relations between the United States and Venezuela must be consistent with the United States’ recognition of Juan Guaidó and the National Assembly. The United States will use its economic and diplomatic tools to ensure that commercial transactions by the Venezuelan Government, including those involving its state-owned enterprises and international reserves, are consistent with this recognition.”

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It's a bit strange that lefties are insistent on backing Stalinist regimes as they become more corporate.

The left have always liked Stalinist regimes - they think that the future is rule by experts, the experts of course being them. Orwell was a Trot and he often pointed to this

http://orwelltoday.com/readerfabianorwell.shtml

"...The ugly fact is that most middle-class Socialists, while theoretically pining for a class-less society, cling like glue to their miserable fragments of social prestige....The Coles, Webbs, Stracheys, etc., are not exactly proletarian writers...Sometimes I look at a Socialist — the intellectual, tract-writing type of Socialist, with his pullover, his fuzzy hair, and his Marxian quotation — and wonder what the devil his motive really is. It is often difficult to believe that it is a love of anybody, especially of the working class, from whom he is of all people the furthest removed. The underlying motive of many Socialists, I believe, is simply a hypertrophied sense of order. The present state of affairs offends them not because it causes misery, still less because it makes freedom impossible, but because it is untidy; what they desire, basically, is to reduce the world to something resembling a chessboard. Take the plays of a lifelong Socialist like Shaw. How much understanding or even awareness of working-class life do they display? ... You get the same thing in a more mealy-mouthed form in Mrs Sidney Webb's autobiography, which gives, unconsciously, a most revealing picture of the high-minded Socialist slum-visitor. The truth is that, to many people calling themselves Socialists, revolution does not mean a movement of the masses with which they hope to associate themselves; it means a set of reforms which 'we', the clever ones, are going to impose upon 'them', the Lower Orders..."

Incidentally it's actually odd how many people who started off Trots ended up becoming politically very interesting - both the Hitchens brothers, Brendan O'Neill and the Spiked Online people, all the Neocons and Orwell spring to mind.

Night gathers, and now my watch begins

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The link is pretty much a declaration that Maduro is not going to see ANY kind of money from the USA


It's good to see Rubio and Trump, both flawed politicians to be sure but both of whom I can't help but like, are working together to kick the suddenly vulnerable Maduro regime.

And the interesting thing is that you need them both to do it. Rubio is an arch Neo Con/PNAS imperialist while Trump is probably an isolationist or Reaganite Peace Through Strength/Realpolitik type, though in Trump's case it depends on what day of the week it is and who he's speaking too. Rubio is consistent, but he'd probably push for massive US intervention against the commies if he could.

Hopefully together than can destabilise and destroy the Maduro regime without some sort of heavy handed US invasion, occupation and nation building. Don't get me wrong - if the US just flat out assassinated Maduro I would not object. What's important is that there is no occupation and the US hands over political control to the National Assembly as soon as possible.

And the thing is even under Realpolitik you're not completely banned from giving an unfriendly regime a push when it looks wobbly. The US needs to be like a rattlesnake. Rattlesnakes don't tend to attack you, but you don't want to mess with them because they've got fangs and venom.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gadsden_flag#Snake_symbolism

As the American Revolution grew, the snake began to see more use as a symbol of the colonies. In 1774, Paul Revere added Franklin's iconic cartoon to the nameplate of Isaiah Thomas' paper, the Massachusetts Spy, depicted there as fighting a British Griffin.[5] In December 1775, Benjamin Franklin published an essay in the Pennsylvania Journal under the pseudonym American Guesser in which he suggested that the rattlesnake was a good symbol for the American spirit.

I recollected that her eye excelled in brightness, that of any other animal, and that she has no eye-lids—She may therefore be esteemed an emblem of vigilance.—She never begins an attack, nor, when once engaged, ever surrenders: She is therefore an emblem of magnanimity and true courage.—As if anxious to prevent all pretensions of quarreling with her, the weapons with which nature has furnished her, she conceals in the roof of her mouth, so that, to those who are unacquainted with her, she appears to be a most defenseless animal; and even when those weapons are shown and extended for her defense, they appear weak and contemptible; but their wounds however small, are decisive and fatal:—Conscious of this, she never wounds till she has generously given notice, even to her enemy, and cautioned him against the danger of stepping on her.—Was I wrong, Sir, in thinking this a strong picture of the temper and conduct of America?[6]

Chavez tweaked the snake's tail for too long. And his successor Maduro his charisma, has ruined the economy and has given up all pretence of being democratically elected.

Now's the time to bite. And in this case the venom being administered is a lethal dose of financial sanctions. Best thing is they affect Maduro but not Venezuela because Guaido's regime will still get the money.

Guaido has offered Maduro amnesty if he steps down on Chilean lines

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-46997555

Mr Guaidó and his allies accuse Mr Maduro of usurping power through a fraudulent election.

"Our challenge is to secure free elections, and we want them as soon as possible. But we are living in a dictatorship," Mr Guaidó told US Spanish-language TV station Univision.

He previously told the Financial Times: "No one wants to live like this, whatever their politics: people going five or six months without running water in their houses, without medicines, without enough money to buy food."

Discussing a possible amnesty for Mr Maduro, Mr Guaidó said a similar move had played a role in Chile's democratic transition.

"These amnesties are on the table for all those who are ready to... restore the constitutional order," he said.

Seems like a smart move.

Maduro offered talks and Guaido turned him down. Meanwhile the US is pointedly putting hardcore neocons in charge of US efforts to restore democracy, which I think even the dimmest of anti American dictators would notice has a hint of menace about it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-47009301

Venezuelan opposition leader Juan Guaidó has rejected an offer of talks from President Nicolás Maduro amid an ongoing power struggle between the two.

Mr Guaidó declared himself "acting president" on Wednesday, a position that has been recognised by several countries, including the US.

But Mr Maduro called the move a "coup" influenced by the US and cut off diplomatic ties in response.

A UN Security Council meeting on the crisis is due to be held on Saturday,

Meanwhile, US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has appointed a veteran former diplomat as his envoy to deal with the crisis in Venezuela.

He said Elliott Abrams would be responsible for all US efforts to restore democracy in Venezuela.

Mr Abrams is a prominent neo-conservative who has long argued for an activist foreign policy to spread American values around the world.

Germany and Spain have both said that they will recognize Guaido unless Maduro holds elections

https://www.dw.com/en/germany-to-venezuela-hold-elections-or-we-recognize-guaido/a-47228335

Germany and Spain said on Friday that Venezuelan opposition leader Juan Guaido should be recognized as president if standing President Nicolas Maduro did not agree "immediately" to hold new elections.

"The German government will speak in forthcoming EU consultations in favor of recognizing Juan Guaido as interim president, unless such free and fair elections are held immediately," German government spokesman Steffen Seibert said.

In practice this means they're not on Maduro's side. The Germans are terrible weasels when it comes to foreign policy, but the Spanish have a pretty good record on calling on undemocratic behaviour in Spanish speaking countries and it seems like in this case the Germans have decided to help them out.
 
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Think less mercenaries and more employees of the Russian government. They operate like the Army of Northern Virginia, but want to be seen.
They're the Russian soldiers that can get bombed and killed by America without Russia being obligated to declare WW3, see the Russian contractors btfo by America in Syria.
 
They're the Russian soldiers that can get bombed and killed by America without Russia being obligated to declare WW3, see the Russian contractors btfo by America in Syria.

Yeah, Russian and probably Cuban mercs too, Chavez frequently sucked Fidel's dick and modeled a lot of Chavista shit after what Fidel did in Cuba. Not a bad idea though, these guys will be more than happy to murder anyone Maduro wants since they have no connection or attachment to this sad dumpster fire of a country, also creates plausible deniability like the "Russians on vacation" in Ukraine.
 
Yeah, Russian and probably Cuban mercs too, Chavez frequently sucked Fidel's dick and modeled a lot of Chavista shit after what Fidel did in Cuba. Not a bad idea though, these guys will be more than happy to murder anyone Maduro wants since they have no connection or attachment to this sad dumpster fire of a country, also creates plausible deniability like the "Russians on vacation" in Ukraine.

Hope the mercs got their money in advance and foreword it to their next of kin. If this does blow up and the US starts breaking things they will be the first targets.
 
Marco Rubio is like a caricature of a cold warrior at the moment and it's unironically great

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Ben Norton doesn't realise that Abram's previous Latin American experience is exactly why he's the person to put in charge to put the fear of God into Maduro.

Speaking of God, Rubio's pretty keen on Him

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He reminds of John von Neumann's description of his political views - "violently anti-communist, and much more militaristic than the norm"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_von_Neumann#Mutual_assured_destruction

Von Neumann entered government service primarily because he felt that, if freedom and civilization were to survive, it would have to be because the United States would triumph over totalitarianism from Nazism, Fascism and Soviet Communism.[52] During a Senate committee hearing he described his political ideology as "violently anti-communist, and much more militaristic than the norm". He was quoted in 1950 remarking, "If you say why not bomb [the Soviets] tomorrow, I say, why not today? If you say today at five o'clock, I say why not one o'clock?"[144]

von Neumann's ruthless, game theory influenced recommendation was based on the fact that the US had a much better nuclear arsenal in 1950 having detonated its first nukes in 1945, whereas the USSR took until 1949. The longer the US waited, the more MAD kicked in.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_nuclear_weapons_stockpiles_and_nuclear_tests_by_country
 
The Black Israelites have joined forces with Turkish keyboard warriors in being the only people on mainstream social media defending Maduro.

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The left have always liked Stalinist regimes - they think that the future is rule by experts, the experts of course being them. Orwell was a Trot and he often pointed to this

http://orwelltoday.com/readerfabianorwell.shtml

"...The ugly fact is that most middle-class Socialists, while theoretically pining for a class-less society, cling like glue to their miserable fragments of social prestige....The Coles, Webbs, Stracheys, etc., are not exactly proletarian writers...Sometimes I look at a Socialist — the intellectual, tract-writing type of Socialist, with his pullover, his fuzzy hair, and his Marxian quotation — and wonder what the devil his motive really is. It is often difficult to believe that it is a love of anybody, especially of the working class, from whom he is of all people the furthest removed. The underlying motive of many Socialists, I believe, is simply a hypertrophied sense of order. The present state of affairs offends them not because it causes misery, still less because it makes freedom impossible, but because it is untidy; what they desire, basically, is to reduce the world to something resembling a chessboard. Take the plays of a lifelong Socialist like Shaw. How much understanding or even awareness of working-class life do they display? ... You get the same thing in a more mealy-mouthed form in Mrs Sidney Webb's autobiography, which gives, unconsciously, a most revealing picture of the high-minded Socialist slum-visitor. The truth is that, to many people calling themselves Socialists, revolution does not mean a movement of the masses with which they hope to associate themselves; it means a set of reforms which 'we', the clever ones, are going to impose upon 'them', the Lower Orders..."

Incidentally it's actually odd how many people who started off Trots ended up becoming politically very interesting - both the Hitchens brothers, Brendan O'Neill and the Spiked Online people, all the Neocons and Orwell spring to mind.





It's good to see Rubio and Trump, both flawed politicians to be sure but both of whom I can't help but like, are working together to kick the suddenly vulnerable Maduro regime.

And the interesting thing is that you need them both to do it. Rubio is an arch Neo Con/PNAS imperialist while Trump is probably an isolationist or Reaganite Peace Through Strength/Realpolitik type, though in Trump's case it depends on what day of the week it is and who he's speaking too. Rubio is consistent, but he'd probably push for massive US intervention against the commies if he could.

Hopefully together than can destabilise and destroy the Maduro regime without some sort of heavy handed US invasion, occupation and nation building. Don't get me wrong - if the US just flat out assassinated Maduro I would not object. What's important is that there is no occupation and the US hands over political control to the National Assembly as soon as possible.

And the thing is even under Realpolitik you're not completely banned from giving an unfriendly regime a push when it looks wobbly. The US needs to be like a rattlesnake. Rattlesnakes don't tend to attack you, but you don't want to mess with them because they've got fangs and venom.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gadsden_flag#Snake_symbolism



Chavez tweaked the snake's tail for too long. And his successor Maduro his charisma, has ruined the economy and has given up all pretence of being democratically elected.

Now's the time to bite. And in this case the venom being administered is a lethal dose of financial sanctions. Best thing is they affect Maduro but not Venezuela because Guaido's regime will still get the money.

Guaido has offered Maduro amnesty if he steps down on Chilean lines

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-46997555



Seems like a smart move.

Maduro offered talks and Guaido turned him down. Meanwhile the US is pointedly putting hardcore neocons in charge of US efforts to restore democracy, which I think even the dimmest of anti American dictators would notice has a hint of menace about it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-47009301



Germany and Spain have both said that they will recognize Guaido unless Maduro holds elections

https://www.dw.com/en/germany-to-venezuela-hold-elections-or-we-recognize-guaido/a-47228335



In practice this means they're not on Maduro's side. The Germans are terrible weasels when it comes to foreign policy, but the Spanish have a pretty good record on calling on undemocratic behaviour in Spanish speaking countries and it seems like in this case the Germans have decided to help them out.

Nice to see a fellow Orwell sperg here. I agree about Rubio. I always liked him all right, and it's good to see him involved in this.
 
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