Vaping Megathread - Because hipsters are no longer allowed to smoke their silly electronic cigarettes.

So I figured since it seems like this war on vaping shit is only going to increase, we may as well have a thread for it.
If this thread isn't warranted, feel free to delete.

So yesterday Massachusetts announced they will be temporarily banning the sale of any and all vaping supplies for four months.

Source

Spoiler: Here's an article about it

Massachusetts to ban sale of all vaping products for 4 months in toughest state crackdown




How a wave of mysterious illnesses sparked an e-cig crackdown. Here’s what you need to know



As illnesses and deaths linked to vaping continue to rise, public officials have begun a crackdown on e-cigarettes. (Luis Velarde, Jorge Ribas/The Washington Post)
By Hannah Knowles
September 24 at 7:31 PM
Massachusetts will place a four-month ban on all sales of vaping products, the state’s governor announced Tuesday, ushering in the most extensive state-level crackdown on e-cigarettes after a mysterious illness has afflicted hundreds and killed nine people.
The move is the latest response from policymakers to growing alarm about the popularity of e-cigarettes among young people and fears that the products, which have yet to be vetted by the Food and Drug Administration, pose unknown health risks.
Bans on sales of flavored vaping products took effect this month in New York and Michigan, and the Trump administration said it plans to enact a similar regulation at the federal level. Flavored products have attracted particular scrutiny from policymakers who say they are getting children hooked on nicotine.
But Massachusetts would go beyond a flavor ban to also temporarily eliminate tobacco and marijuana e-cigarettes from the market. Officials say the halt will allow time to properly investigate a crisis that’s expanded to 530 cases in 38 states as of last week, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
“The purpose of this public health emergency is to temporarily pause all sales of vaping products so that we can work with our medical experts to identify what is making people sick and how to better regulate these products to protect the health of our residents,” Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker (R) said in a statement.
San Francisco became the first major U.S. city to effectively ban all e-cigarette sales this summer by targeting products that have yet to gain FDA approval. But San Francisco’s policy will not go into effect until early next year, while Massachusetts’s new rules take effect immediately — and on a much larger scale.
[How a wave of mysterious illnesses sparked an e-cig crackdown. Here’s what you need to know]
The state’s new policy drew swift criticism from e-cigarette advocates and companies that have long argued their products help rather than hurt public health by offering smokers an alternative. Some public health officials, too, have promoted vaping as a tool to reduce smoking among adults — notably in England, where vape shops sit on the grounds of some hospitals.
Sixty-one potential cases of vaping-linked illness have been reported to the Massachusetts Department of Public Health as of Tuesday, the governor’s office said. Official investigations nationwide have connected many of the illnesses to marijuana products bought off the street, but no one item has been linked to all cases. And some patients have reported vaping nicotine, though health professionals note people may be reluctant to admit to using marijuana.
As The Washington Post has previously reported, the illnesses are largely affecting young people:

An investigation by state health departments in Illinois and Wisconsin traces the first signs of illness among 53 tracked patients to April. The victims — mostly young men with a median age of 19 — overwhelmingly ended up in the hospital, many under intensive care. A third went on respirators.
Patients typically experienced coughing, chest pain or shortness of breath before their health deteriorated to the point that they needed to be hospitalized, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Other reported symptoms include nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, fatigue, fever and weight loss.
Many victims have ended up with acute respiratory distress syndrome, a life-threatening condition in which fluid builds up in the lungs and prevents the oxygen people’s bodies need to function from circulating in the bloodstream.

While the illnesses have given new urgency to long-brewing concerns over vaping, lawmakers explaining new e-cigarette restrictions in other states have focused on the broader threat of teen addiction.
Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer (D) announced her state’s flavored e-cigarette ban Sept. 4 as state health officials declared youth vaping a public health emergency, highlighting research on nicotine’s harm to developing brains and on substances in vaping products with unclear long-term health effects. Michigan’s health department also cited evidence that youth who use e-cigarettes are more prone to take up smoking, which most experts believe to be more dangerous than vaping products.
A 2018 government-funded study found that the percentage of U.S. high school seniors who report vaping nicotine within the past month doubled over just a year, sparking a new wave of alarm that e-cigarettes are reversing decades of decreasing youth tobacco use. E-cigarette use among teens has risen faster than any product tracked in the survey’s 40-plus years of existence, researchers say.
Preliminary results from this year’s version of the National Institutes of Health-funded study indicated another jump in student vaping, and researchers expressed particular concern over their finding that about 1 in 9 teens vapes nicotine near-daily.
[1 in 9 high school seniors vape nicotine near-daily, new survey says amid e-cigarette scare]
Massachusetts is no exception when it comes to vaping’s popularity among young people. More than 40 percent of the state’s youth reported trying e-cigarettes in 2017, and 1 in 5 said they used the products regularly, according to the governor’s office. High school students’ usage rates are six times as high as adults', the office said.
While Massachusetts officials focused Tuesday on a need to investigate illnesses, they said that they, too, are concerned about youth vaping.
“Vaping products are marketed and sold in nearly 8,000 flavors that make them easier to use and more appealing to youth,” Lt. Gov. Karyn Polito said in a statement. “Today’s actions include a ban on flavored products, inclusive of mint and menthol, which we know are widely used by young people.”
The Massachusetts governor’s office seemed to anticipate concerns about smoking alternatives Tuesday, saying it will devote more resources to programs that encourage people to quit smoking and increase the capacity of the Massachusetts Smokers’ Helpline.
Opponents still blasted the move as counterproductive.
Austin Finan, a spokesman for leading e-cigarette manufacturer Juul, warned Tuesday that bans on the sale of vaping products will encourage a black market of products with “unknown ingredients under unknown manufacturing standards.” He added that bans will affect adult smokers’ ability to quit and push former smokers back to old habits.
Gregory Conley, president of the nonprofit American Vaping Association, called Massachusetts’s halt on sales of nicotine vaping products “absolutely absurd,” emphasizing evidence that links the vaping-related illnesses to illegal and contaminated THC cartridges.
“We agree with the FDA — if you don’t want to die or end up in the hospital, stop vaping illicit marijuana oils,” he said.
The tough new regulations also dismayed small-businesses owners facing steep losses. Jonathan Lau, who runs two vape stores in Brighton, Mass., said he and other vape shop owners — part of the retail industry’s fastest-growing segment over the past decade — were “blindsided” by the governor’s announcement.
With vaping products making up close to 90 percent of his shops’ sales, Lau said, he will probably have to close down.
Employees have been told to show up for work Wednesday, but Lau does not think his stores will open.
“Basically, it’s a death sentence for small businesses in the vape industry,” he said.
[Potential culprits in mystery lung illnesses: Black-market vaping products]
Officials around the country have warned people to stop using e-cigarettes altogether while investigators try to get to the bottom of the illnesses and deaths.
An executive order from California Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) last week directed the state’s Department of Public Health to launch a $20 million public awareness campaign about the risks of vaping both nicotine and cannabis substances. California health officials on Tuesday also joined the calls for consumers to stop vaping while the cause of vaping-linked illnesses remains unclear.
Other states are signaling interest in following Michigan, New York and now Massachusetts’s lead in taking a tougher stance on e-cigarettes.
“We’re seeing more and more states exploring what emergency powers they have,” said Michael Seilback, assistant vice president for state public policy at the American Lung Association.
Seilback would not express an opinion on Massachusetts’s choice to suspend all vaping sales, telling The Post only that states are being “forced to make hard decisions” and emphasizing his group’s support for the bans on flavored vaping products that other places have adopted.
He’s eager to see the Trump administration’s proposed ban on flavored vaping sales come to fruition.
“We think that strong federal action would prevent a piecemeal approach where different jurisdictions are looking at these products differently,” he said.

I personally don't smoke or vape and never have, so I shouldn't give a shit either way...but I really hate this nanny state bullshit.

 

[1Tonka_Truck]

I am excited for the possibility of watching hipsters going into robo-dick withdrawal.

 

[Plasmapheresis]

It is honestly a stupid thing to be sperging and moralfagging about tbh.

"Think of the kids!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

 

[Kamiii]

As long as it's better than smoking, who cares. Let it be. Good to have an option for smokers.

 

[Creep3r]

If manchildren and hipsters want fried popcorn lungs then they have every right to eliminate themselves from the gene pool if they so wish and are old enough to make their own dumb decisions.

 

[Clop]

As long as it's better than smoking, who cares. Let it be. Good to have an option for smokers.

Usually even preteens who smoke don't end up in the fucking hospital until they're 30+, though, so "better" sounds a bit iffy.

 

[Inferior Little Shit]

Manly Cigars only seriously. Vaping AND Cigarettes are both for pussies.

 

[Spastic Colon]

If manchildren and hipsters want fried popcorn lungs then they have every right to eliminate themselves from the gene pool if they so wish and are old enough to make their own dumb decisions.

Yeah, but I'm kind of big on the whole "informed consent" thing. If you know exactly how bad it is for you and you choose to do it, you reap what you sow. Trouble is, just like with cigarettes, the companies don't let you know all the relevant data -- like the fact that it is fucking deadly -- until they are forced to tell you.

 

[CivilianOfTheFandomWars]

Behold. The Vape God.
When he puts two next to each-other I lost my shit.
Fucking based.

 

[NOT Sword Fighter Super]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=RPhxNLPdmY8Behold. The Vape God.
When he puts two next to each-other I lost my shit.
Fucking based.

"There's nothing cooler than blowing a fat cloud like that"
Holy shit, this guy's douche levels are off the charts, but to a hilarious degree.

 

[YooA]

This is all just posturing by the state before they introduce taxes on these products.

“The purpose of this public health emergency is to temporarily pause all sales of vaping products so that we can work with our medical experts to identify what is making people sick and how to better regulate these products to protect the health of our residents, write bills to tax the shit out of this stuff” Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker (R) said in a statement.

 

[Plasmapheresis]

Rhode Island is joining in on the ban lmao

How many more states are gonna jump on the bandwagon?

"This is targeted at kids!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" lol

Spoiler: article text

PROVIDENCE, R.I. (AP) — Rhode Island became the latest state to restrict e-cigarettes Wednesday when Gov. Gina Raimondo signed an executive order banning the sale of flavored vaping products.


The ban was motivated by a desire to protect children, the Democrat said.


“I hear from parents and teachers and coaches that the use of flavored e-cigarettes among teenagers and middle school students is alarming and rising and scary,” Raimondo said at a news conference.

She held up a colorful box of strawberry flavored products at one point.


“That looks like a cereal box,” she said. “What adult do you know drinks strawberry m.ilk? Chocolate m.ilk? This is targeted at kids. Our kids.”


She is directing the state Department of Health to create regulations based on her order.


State health director Dr. Nicole Alexander-Scott said the regulations could be put in place by early next week and would be effective for four months, with the option to extend them another two months.


Raimondo’s decision comes a day after Republican Gov. Charlie Baker in neighboring Massachusetts ordered a four-month ban on the sale of all vaping products.


At least two other states, Michigan and New York, have banned vape flavors.


The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says more than 500 confirmed and probable cases of lung illnesses and nine deaths nationwide have been attributed to vaping.


The CDC has not identified a common product or ingredient responsible for the illnesses.


The Rhode Island Department of Health has not reported any vaping-related illnesses.


Protesters opposed to Raimondo’s order gathered outside the Statehouse and said any restrictions on vaping products would hurt businesses and drive people back to tobacco products.


(© Copyright 2019 The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.)

Rhode Island Is Latest State To Ban Flavored Vaping Products

The move comes one day after Massachusetts banned the sale of all vaping products.

web.archive.org

 

[Denmark Mafia]

Vaping is like having sex without sticking it in. It's not the real deal.

But it's like methadone as well, so a decent way to stop smoking/vaping completely in the long run.

 

[Vlinny-kun]

"̶S̶u̶r̶e̶!̶ ̶L̶e̶t̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶s̶e̶ ̶n̶i̶c̶o̶t̶i̶n̶e̶-̶a̶d̶d̶i̶c̶t̶e̶d̶ ̶k̶i̶d̶s̶ ̶t̶u̶r̶n̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶s̶m̶o̶k̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶c̶h̶e̶w̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶t̶o̶b̶a̶c̶c̶o̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶s̶h̶i̶t̶.̶ ̶F̶u̶c̶k̶ ̶i̶t̶.̶ ̶I̶t̶'̶s̶ ̶n̶o̶t̶ ̶l̶i̶k̶e̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶r̶e̶'̶s̶ ̶a̶c̶t̶u̶a̶l̶l̶ ̶p̶r̶o̶b̶l̶e̶m̶s̶ ̶g̶o̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶o̶n̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶A̶m̶e̶r̶i̶c̶a̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶w̶e̶ ̶n̶e̶e̶d̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶f̶o̶c̶u̶s̶ ̶o̶u̶r̶ ̶t̶i̶m̶e̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶r̶e̶s̶o̶u̶r̶c̶e̶s̶ ̶o̶n̶.̶"̶

̶-̶L̶a̶w̶m̶a̶k̶e̶r̶s̶ ̶(̶m̶o̶s̶t̶ ̶l̶i̶k̶e̶l̶y̶)̶ ̶ ̶​

T̶h̶e̶y̶ ̶s̶a̶y̶ ̶i̶t̶'̶s̶ ̶e̶-̶c̶i̶g̶a̶r̶e̶t̶t̶e̶s̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶a̶r̶e̶ ̶d̶a̶n̶g̶e̶r̶o̶u̶s̶ ̶b̶e̶c̶a̶u̶s̶e̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶y̶ ̶u̶s̶e̶ ̶c̶a̶r̶t̶r̶i̶d̶g̶e̶s̶ ̶c̶o̶m̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶f̶r̶o̶m̶ ̶g̶o̶d̶-̶k̶n̶o̶w̶s̶-̶w̶h̶e̶r̶e̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶c̶o̶n̶t̶a̶i̶n̶ ̶a̶ ̶s̶h̶i̶t̶l̶o̶a̶d̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶u̶n̶k̶n̶o̶w̶n̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶u̶n̶t̶e̶s̶t̶e̶d̶ ̶i̶n̶g̶r̶e̶d̶i̶e̶n̶t̶s̶,̶ ̶b̶u̶t̶ ̶w̶h̶e̶r̶e̶ ̶d̶o̶ ̶e̶-̶l̶i̶q̶u̶i̶d̶s̶ ̶f̶a̶l̶l̶ ̶u̶n̶d̶e̶r̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶s̶ ̶b̶a̶n̶-̶h̶a̶p̶p̶y̶ ̶b̶u̶l̶l̶s̶h̶i̶t̶ ̶s̶i̶n̶c̶e̶,̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶k̶n̶o̶w̶,̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶y̶ ̶c̶o̶n̶t̶a̶i̶n̶ ̶o̶n̶l̶y̶ ̶3̶ ̶i̶n̶g̶r̶e̶d̶i̶e̶n̶t̶s̶?̶ ̶

1. ̶U̶S̶P̶ ̶P̶r̶o̶p̶y̶l̶e̶n̶e̶ ̶G̶l̶y̶c̶o̶l̶ ̶
2. U̶S̶P̶ ̶V̶e̶g̶e̶t̶a̶b̶l̶e̶ ̶G̶l̶y̶c̶e̶r̶i̶n̶
3. ̶N̶a̶t̶u̶r̶a̶l̶ ̶&̶ ̶A̶r̶t̶i̶f̶i̶c̶i̶a̶l̶ ̶F̶l̶a̶v̶o̶r̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶ ̶ ̶

̶T̶h̶e̶y̶'̶r̶e̶ ̶g̶o̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶t̶r̶y̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶b̶a̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶o̶s̶e̶ ̶t̶o̶o̶,̶ ̶a̶r̶e̶n̶'̶t̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶y̶?̶ ̶*̶s̶i̶g̶h̶*̶

Edit: God it's late. I was thinking that e-cigarettes and e-liquids were entirely different things because the former came in cartridges and the latter you put in the vape machine yourself. Probably because I don't know much about vaping myself. ╮(￣⊿￣)╭

I'll still keep my position on letting shitty teenage hipsters kill themselves if they love it that goddamn much. Hell, why is it that all these vape related deaths happening now. How long has vaping been a thing? If the government forces companies to put a huge ass warning label all on vape juice and e-cigs that "if anyone inhales this, then they will contract super aids and die of dick cancer," then fine, but outright banning it...

...is the most predictable thing they did, and I don't know what we were all expecting.

 

[Safir]

since, you know, they contain only 3 ingredients?

1. USP Propylene Glycol​
2. USP Vegetable Glycerin​
3. Natural & Artificial Flavoring​

"Natural and artificial flavoring" is not one ingredient, it's a shitton of different ingredients. Do you think chocolate flavoring (for example) is itty bitty chocolate bars? Everything is chemicals, and basically none of them have been tested for safe use in this type of inhalers. Safe to eat != safe to breathe != safe to rub on skin != safe to inject into the bloodstream. Seriously, it's like y'all are dying to get your own horrorcow goblin baby threads.

 

[Bork Laser]

"Natural and artificial flavoring" is not one ingredient, it's a shitton of different ingredients. Do you think chocolate flavoring (for example) is itty bitty chocolate bars? Everything is chemicals, and basically none of them have been tested for safe use in this type of inhalers. Safe to eat != safe to breathe != safe to rub on skin != safe to inject into the bloodstream. Seriously, it's like y'all are dying to get your own horrorcow goblin baby threads.

The thing is though e cigs have only really popular in the last few years. What’s causing this isn’t the stuff you see being sold at your local 7/11. It’s the illegal and black market shit like the custom THC vapes or whatever fucking liquid sone asshole cooks up in his house. The media and politicians are all ignoring this though and painting all e cigs as bad

 

[Vlinny-kun]

Everything is chemicals, and basically none of them have been tested for safe use in this type of inhalers. Safe to eat != safe to breathe != safe to rub on skin != safe to inject into the bloodstream.

Well, I do actually know that, except I completely forgot about it when I posted and made myself look like an idiot. So here's an article proving you right:

Spoiler: How Much Do We Really Know About Flavored Vaping Products?

https://www.yalemedicine.org/stories/vaping-dangers/

How Much Do We Really Know About Flavored Vaping Products?
By KATHLEEN RAVEN AUGUST 15, 2019

Analysis reveals previously undetected chemical byproducts.

Parents now have another reason to worry about their kids’ vaping.

According to a recent Yale study, inhaling vapor from flavored e-cigarette liquid—also called “vape juice,” “e-juice,” “e-liquid,” or “vape liquid”—exposes users to previously undetected chemical byproducts. These byproducts, called acetals, form when solvents that make up a large portion of vaping liquid mingle with flavoring agents, such as vanilla or almond. It is not yet known if this has negative effects on the body.

A key aspect of chemistry is understanding how substances interact with one another, as well as with heat and other processes. “People often assume that these e-liquids are a final product once they are mixed,” says Hanno Erythropel, PhD, lead author of the study and an associate research scientist at Yale’s chemical and engineering department. “But chemical reactions create new molecules in the e-liquids.” He notes that this is not just something that happens in e-liquids from small vape shops but also in those from one of the country’s biggest e-cigarette companies, referring to San Francisco-based Juul Labs.

In September 2018, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) asked Juul and other e-cigarette makers to submit plans detailing how they would help reverse what the organization has described as a vaping epidemic among teens in the country. Despite the awareness campaigns and educational programs the FDA has undertaken, nearly 21 percent of U.S. high schoolers currently vape, according to the latest National Youth Tobacco Survey.

For this study, Yale researchers chose to investigate Juul’s vaping liquid because of its high levels of vegetable glycerin (also called glycerol). Glycerol and its chemical cousin, propylene glycol, form the clear liquid base of most vape juice. These solvents turn to vapor when heated and serve as a carrier of flavor compounds (vanilla, in this particular study) and nicotine, Erythropel says. “As chemists familiar with such reactions, we expected that the vegetable glycerin would react with vanillin (a flavor compound) to form acetals, and that’s what we found,” Erythropel says. The team published similar findings after analyzing other brands and flavors of e-cigarette liquids.

Based on those earlier discoveries, the researchers looked for certain flavoring agents (vanilla, almond, citrus, and cinnamon) in all eight of Juul’s available flavors. But they only found vanillin in Juul’s “crème brûlée” flavor.

Flavoring chemicals (called aldehydes), like the vanillin used in Juul’s crème brûlée-flavored liquid, are widely used in the flavor, food, and baking industries, Erythropel explains. The effects that aldehydes might have on the body have been studied and safety standards were established accordingly. The researchers have observed that acetals can be stronger irritants than the flavor chemicals they are derived from and are concerned about the health effects of these acetals in e-liquids in Juul and other e-cigarettes.

Besides analyzing the aldehyde vanillin, the group also measured menthol levels in each of Juul’s flavors. Menthol is a compound made synthetically or extracted from mint oils. As expected, they found high levels of menthol in flavors such as “menthol” and “mint.” But researchers also found menthol in “fruit” and “cucumber” flavors, though not in the other four flavors.

“We did not expect to find menthol in a flavor labeled ‘fruit,’” says Julie Zimmerman, PhD, who is the corresponding author of the study, professor of chemical and environmental engineering, and principal investigator of the analytical lab core of Yale’s Center for Tobacco Regulatory Science (TCORS).

Menthol has long been used in cigarettes because its well-known cooling and soothing effects help mask the irritation caused by smoking, says Sven-Eric Jordt, PhD, a TCORS member and associate professor of anesthesiology, pharmacology, and cancer biology at Duke University. “Since the 1970s, the tobacco industry has been using synthetic menthol in cigarettes because it covers up the naturally irritating effects of nicotine,” Jordt says.

Nicotine, the addictive ingredient in cigarettes and some vape pods, is a naturally bitter substance that automatically irritates fine nerve endings in our throats, nasal passages, and respiratory tract, Jordt explains.

Menthol interacts with cold-sensing nerve endings in the respiratory tract and skin to create an analgesic or numbing effect. That’s why menthol is used in everything from cough drops to pain relief ointment for sore muscles.

“We believe that menthol acts the same way in e-cigarette vapor as it does in regular cigarettes” in that it dulls the body’s knee-jerk reaction to reject the harsh bitterness of nicotine and irritating flavor chemicals, Jordt says.

Early marketing campaigns touted e-cigarettes as less harmful than combustible ones, but this has not been proven. A comprehensive report published by the National Academy of Science, Engineering and Medicine states that “whether e-cigarettes have an overall positive or negative impact on public health is currently unknown.”

For his part, Jordt says he hopes that, as a result of this study, the FDA begins to study the short- and long-term effects of inhaled acetals. “We want these companies to be more transparent about what’s in their liquids,” he says.

“These findings raise further concerns about the potential toxicity of e-cigarettes, especially for youth,” says Suchitra Krishnan-Sarin, PhD, professor of psychiatry, who leads TCORS, which provided funding for this research.

To learn more visit yalemedicine.org.

Seriously, it's like y'all are dying to get your own horrorcow goblin baby threads.

Rude.

 

[2WokeB4BrainPills]

On one hand vaping is def better than smoking. However, it is also a near-certainty that the wild west of unregulated e juice flavorings is producing shit that is genuinely bad. I strongly suspect in the future we will find a lot of these flavorings are carcinogenic with long term lung exposure. This is why, when I vaped I always used un-flavored liquid.

But I still don't do it anymore. I think the harms of nicotine in isolation are underestimated, and this has lead to an overly flippant attitude towards it "it's no worse than a cup of coffee!" that will have big consequences. I think there's reasonably good evidence to suggest it will predispose users to cardiovascular issues of all kinds like heart attacks, DVT, pulmonary embolisms, and strokes.

I also suspect nicotine on its own will end up being associated with various oropharyngeal cancers and lung cancers. Not because it is directly carcinogenic, but because it suppresses the bodies natural tumor-fighting abilities.

Add all that up and I'd wager we'll see a big wave of never-smokers hitting their 40s and 50s and suddenly getting cancers, strokes, etc that could only be due to vaping. As many as smoking? No. But smoking kills a fuckton of people, so it should make you really nervous if you're betting your life that one component of that is actually totally fine by itself. I love nicotine. Still miss it, in fact. But I don't plan on being part of that wave if I can help it.

 

[L50LasPak]

"Natural and artificial flavoring" is not one ingredient, it's a shitton of different ingredients. Do you think chocolate flavoring (for example) is itty bitty chocolate bars? Everything is chemicals, and basically none of them have been tested for safe use in this type of inhalers. Safe to eat != safe to breathe != safe to rub on skin != safe to inject into the bloodstream. Seriously, it's like y'all are dying to get your own horrorcow goblin baby threads.

In fairness, I did almost have a heart attack when I saw Propylene Glycol until I realized I was confusing it with Ethylene Glycol.

 

[Dan Abrams]

I blow clouds, and is it gay, sure. It's nice to do when playing World of Warcraft I guess. I think we all need to accept that vaping is going to be a thing from now on and rather than ban it all and force it underground, where even more harmful products will come out, it needs to be researched and certified by some regulatory agency so we all know exactly what is in the products and what kind of health effects you can potentially expect. We do this exact same thing with alcohol, an insanely harmful and commonly abused drug that kills 80,000 people a year. I haven't noticed any health effects myself and my cardio is as good as it has ever been, but at the same time I recognize that inhaling any particulate matter into your lungs cannot be a good thing. I don't see myself vaping in 10 or even 5 years and I'm not worried about creating a lifelong addiction as I can stop vaping for days at a time and be fine.

It's just such obvious tobacco lobbyist bullshit what is happening now when actual legit vaping products haven't caused any of the current illnesses. Vaping has been around since at least 2007 and just NOW in the last 2 months it's murdering children? And all it takes for kids to try addictive drugs is when you flavor it like watermelon or chocolate? Where are their parents?

(THIS IS OKAY AND DOESN'T ENCOURAGE CHILDREN TO TRY AN ADDICTIVE DRUG)