Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines: 2 - I want to believe, but...

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Secret Asshole said:
Its already a Steam best seller. Jesus christ. Preordering on Steam is only going to get worse because of the paranoia of it going to Epic.

Also VtMR had always been a bit SJW like. The pronouns thing probably won't matter because of you're a thin blood they'll probably just refer to you as some disgusting creature.

Also in the lore, thin bloods stuck and nobody wants to be associated with them.
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Yeah psychologically I think Metro pulling that last minute exclusitivity really frustrated a lot of people.
While I am a total softie for cult classic games I cannot buy a game until there's at least a gameplay trailer.

As for pronouns I agree, especially when you set your game in freaking Seattle.
 
CD Projekt doesn't do preorders until the game is completed. They could be making massive bank but they're like the only decent gaming company left.

Cardenio said:
Yeah psychologically I think Metro pulling that last minute exclusitivity really frustrated a lot of people.

While I am a total softie for cult classic games I cannot buy a game until there's at least a gameplay trailer.
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I think so too. There's going to be this fear and we're going to see a resurgence in preorders on Steam so that people won't be forced onto the Epic store, which no one seems to like. For me, my life is so busy I typically only play one game at a time and that's Warframe since a lot of it is mindless. Which means I have no rush for Epic exclusives.

I also won't preorder because there is no gameplay footage or any sort of description of mechanics.
 
CD Projekt being decent? Yeaaaah, not really they just have a better PR going for em and people buy their "we wuv gamers" tripe. At best, they are like all other companies, they just know how to play their audience better. Also them not taking pre orders? Witcher 3 wasnt even completed when they took pre orders for it on steam, not mention missing its deadlines twice.
 
The gender pronoun stuff is a red flag, but crossdresser/trans characters have been a thing for a very long time, it's fine if handled like a non-idiot.

The punching up comment is a flashing waving red flag that's on fire. Nobody says that unless it's woke garbage. I predict an early look at the game to reveal nothing but trans garbage, a backlash based on that, and one million "Here's why gamers are bad and wrong again gamergate did 9/11" articles.

Also... I played the first one, hearing how awesome it was and... I dunno, just got bored after a short time. I mean, it's an awfully closed in "open world"...

And yeah, even with the fixes, patches, etc I still had to do some hacks to get around game breaking bugs.
 
The tired cat said:
CD Projekt being decent? Yeaaaah, not really they just have a better PR going for em and people buy their "we wuv gamers" tripe. At best, they are like all other companies, they just know how to play their audience better. Also them not taking pre orders? Witcher 3 wasnt even completed when they took pre orders for it on steam, not mention missing its deadlines twice.
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Look, CD Projekt has no microtransactions and loot boxes. Their cosmetic DLC is free and their paid DLC is more like old school expansion packs. In terms of modern gaming that is godly, especially with other AAA pubs. And even if they do Epic exclusives and GoG, I love GoG so I can just buy from there. I don't have Witcher 3 or Thronebreaker on Steam. I prefer to support them directly.

Also not going to lie, I would preorder Cyberpunk 2020 right now if it were up. They are the only company I do this for. And if they fuck me over, well, then I will never do it again.
 
Corbin Dallas Multipass said:
The gender pronoun stuff is a red flag, but crossdresser/trans characters have been a thing for a very long time, it's fine if handled like a non-idiot.
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Powerlevelling a bit here.

I was in the Detroit punk/industrial/goth scene throughout the 90s, and when VTM hit the shelves, live-action playing became big amongst the club regulars almost immediately.

I remember people playing more than a few drag/trans/gay characters, which fit for the time/place those games were taking place. The worst players were always those running with blatant self-insert or Mary Sue characters, but they tended not to last very long (usually for general faggotry and creeper behavior).

But generally, trans/drag/gay characters played well within the game's archetype and clan framework. It definitely added bits of awkward humor and unintended intrigue, which helped keep things from going stale or turning into a LARP vampire soap opera.

However, I fail to see how LGBT characters will be parlayed into this new game without all the SJW shit.... which is conspicuous in it's absence from those tabletop and live sessions, now that I think back on it. And I highly doubt the old fags & queens who played will be excited about the SJW bullshit either.

Also... I played the first one, hearing how awesome it was and... I dunno, just got bored after a short time. I mean, it's an awfully closed in "open world"...

And yeah, even with the fixes, patches, etc I still had to do some hacks to get around game breaking bugs.
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Every single OG VTM player that I knew who bought the PC game (myself included), promptly went back to tabletop. I can't think of anyone who had the patience to play, much less mod, a buggy game that failed our optimistically modest expectations.

Those I knew who kept up with PC VTM were mostly fans of the original RPG but didn't have friends who played that lived close enough; or did, but had been kicked for being fags/spergs/creeps.

It has parallels in AD&D with the kids who wouldn't shut up about Dragonlance or Drow elves, owned every single sourcebook & novel, made ref sheets & quests all day, but never actually played AD&D outside of Azure Bonds (etc) on PC.

They seemed to be the ones who turned into modders..... and/or Minecrafting 40yr old virgins.
 
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Well, lets be real theres also the 3rd side who never played the LARP or the table RPG an for em both Bloodlines and Requime was a sort gateway to getting into this, well was for me since before the games never heard of VTM
 
The tired cat said:
Well, lets be real theres also the 3rd side who never played the LARP or the table RPG an for em both Bloodlines and Requime was a sort gateway to getting into this, well was for me since before the games never heard of VTM
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Many who started VTM on paper did have an elitist attitude when the PC adaptation was released (as with any analog-to-digital game), so they were in effect Never Trumpers.

Before I left the scene, maybe a year after the PC release, there had been a hugely welcome (and needed) influx of players, many of whom were younger and quite good, who meshed perfectly with the radical upstart clans.

Unfortunately, a lot of them also had a distaste for following rules, and character-breaking squabbles became far too common, which is one of main reasons I stopped (aside from being a Late Chad and actually adulting).
 
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Tor Lugosi said:
"Punching up instead of down"
"Taking political stances on what we think are right and wrong."

lol two of the easiest, most common sources of blood in the first one were homeless people and prostitutes

Cyberpunk 2077 can't come soon enough.
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This is what worries me more then the gender bending stuff. Honestly it could be entertaining to have troon as an option on charachter creation and could lead to some interesting dialogue and roleplay. Done right it could be pretty fun.

What worries me is if instead they turn it into preaching the gospel of Woke. Which seems to be heavily implied. The vampires in the tabletop and in the orginal Bloodlines game are NOT heroes. Not even the "good guys". There are no good guys. The closest faction to "Good" would be the Anarchs, and they are chaotic neutral at best who will happily fuck hookers and then murder them to get their rocks off. Every other faction in the game is some grade of evil. Camarilla (Lawful), the Chinks (Pure) or the the Tzmisce faction (Chaotic). There is no "Social Justice" to be found, and if they try and shoehorn it in the game will be a bastardization of its self.
 
Islamic Creampie said:
What the fuck is this?

https://twitter.com/ImperatorOfPuns/status/1109088809659060225

Not being familiar with Vampire other than hearing good things about the original PC game and that 90's WWE wrestler, is the stuff from those tweets actually indicative of how the game currently is? Because now it seems everything is pointing to this being a massive dumpster fire in the making.
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Did you know that White Wolf also included a section in v5 about the massacring of gay people in Chechnya? And it was so bad they got into actual shit from the Chechnya government and were forced to assimilate into Paradox and let Paradox make all the future World of Darkness content? I am not even making this up: https://www.white-wolf.com/newsblog/a-message-from-white-wolf
A Message From White Wolf
Hello everyone,

My name is Shams Jorjani, VP of Business Development at Paradox Interactive and interim manager at White Wolf Publishing. I wanted to inform you of some changes that will be implemented at White Wolf, starting immediately.

Sales and printing of the V5 Camarilla and Anarch books will be temporarily suspended. The section on Chechnya will be removed in both the print and PDF versions of the Camarilla book. We anticipate that this will require about three weeks. This means shipping will be delayed; if you have pre-ordered a copy of Camarilla or Anarchs, further information will follow via e-mail.

In practical terms, White Wolf will no longer function as a separate entity. The White Wolf team will be restructured and integrated directly into Paradox Interactive, and I will be temporarily managing things during this process. We are recruiting new leadership to guide White Wolf both creatively and commercially into the future, a process that has been ongoing since September.

Going forward, White Wolf will focus on brand management. This means White Wolf will develop the guiding principles for its vision of the World of Darkness, and give licensees the tools they need to create new, excellent products in this story world. White Wolf will no longer develop and publish these products internally. This has always been the intended goal for White Wolf as a company, and it is now time to enact it.

The World of Darkness has always been about horror, and horror is about exploring the darkest parts of our society, our culture, and ourselves. Horror should not be afraid to explore difficult or sensitive topics, but it should never do so without understanding who those topics are about and what it means to them. Real evil does exist in the world, and we can’t ever excuse its real perpetrators or cheapen the suffering of its real victims.

In the Chechnya chapter of the V5 Camarilla book, we lost sight of this. The result was a chapter that dealt with a real-world, ongoing tragedy in a crude and disrespectful way. We should have identified this either during the creative process or in editing. This did not happen, and for this we apologize.

We ask for your patience while we implement these changes. In the meantime, let’s keep talking. I’m available for any and all thoughts, comments and feedback, on shams.jorjani@paradoxinteractive.com.
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It actually has raised my hopes up because at least Paradox is now in charge of the game without White Wolf's influence.
 
Islamic Creampie said:
What the fuck is this?

https://twitter.com/ImperatorOfPuns/status/1109088809659060225

Not being familiar with Vampire other than hearing good things about the original PC game and that 90's WWE wrestler, is the stuff from those tweets actually indicative of how the game currently is? Because now it seems everything is pointing to this being a massive dumpster fire in the making.
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Oh, yeah it's been kinda a thing even with the previous vampire books where they would put real life stuff. But, with the modern setting they went over board, then again this was a problem with modern day vampire. Aside from this stuff, some of the clans are questionable to say the least.
 
As a huge fan of VTM, having been an avid player of both the tabletop and LARP versions, I am saddened by this news.

Paradox Interactive already fucked up bad with the setting changes made in VTM 5th Edition, which was so bad that it alienated both the old fans of the game and the dangerhair demographic they were trying to win over (one supplement in particular was so bad that Paradox shut down the White Wolf sub-studio and licensed out the remaining books to Modiphius Publishing)

Now we've got a long-awaited sequel that has a seemingly rushed release date, no actual gameplay footage, and the press release is giving some really bad "woke" vibes.

Personally, the transgender stuff doesn't bother me in and of itself, but the references to "punching up" and the fact that Paradox tried pandering to the dangerhairs before with V5 (not to mention that the closely related company Onyx Path is run by a mix of troons, dangerhairs, and other SJW types) and I have a really bad feeling that this game is going to sink faster than the Lusitania.

As a Vampire fan, I am not amused. This feels like a virtue-signalling cash-grab for Paradox and possibly a last-ditch effort to salvage the brand following the failure of V5 and the uproars over Zak Sabbath (who only did some artwork as a freelancer) and the Chechnya chapter in one of their supplements.

My hope for the future of VTM is dim. Since Paradox bought White Wolf in 2015, the only decent things to come out of that were a decent documentary and more importantly, the Storyteller's Vault.

TL;DR-This game is gonna suck worse than Duke Nukem Forever and Fallout 76 combined.
 
Syaoran Li said:
Now we've got a long-awaited sequel that has a seemingly rushed release date, no actual gameplay footage, and the press release is giving some really bad "woke" vibes.
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Wait, is March 2020 is even considered a rushed release date? I mean, I'm not super familiar with game development, but I'm just curious since if they have till next year well there's potential.
 
The tired cat said:
Wait, is March 2020 is even considered a rushed release date? I mean, I'm not super familiar with game development, but I'm just curious since if they have till next year well there's potential.
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Normally it wouldn't be, but considering this is supposed to be a AAA title and we don't even know what the gameplay actually looks like, I've got a bad feeling about a release date.

Usually with a teaser trailer like the one we got, they wouldn't have a set release date or even an estimated one.
 
Islamic Creampie said:
What the fuck is this?

https://twitter.com/ImperatorOfPuns/status/1109088809659060225

Not being familiar with Vampire other than hearing good things about the original PC game and that 90's WWE wrestler, is the stuff from those tweets actually indicative of how the game currently is? Because now it seems everything is pointing to this being a massive dumpster fire in the making.
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Hahahah, well at least most of the comments are horrified instead of "Yaaaaas slay kween"
 
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