Valorant

[CaptainShitlord]

How pathetic do you have to be to pay thousands of dollars to cheat in Valorant?

 

[Your Starter for 10]

Can't we hate both riot and the fags using hardware level cheats?

This feels like two different specicies of vermin fighting.

This is always the sensible plan. Just sit back and laugh at whichever side is sneeding. Perhaps a word or two of encouragement should the malding decrease in volume, the same as you would in any spectator sport.

And when it dies down or becomes boring you move onto the next spergfight.

The Buddhists have a name for this endless cycle: The Food Pyramid.

 

[HX-2]

I'm all for banning cheaters but this is a bit much. They will be in a world of hurt if a false positive wrecks the wrong person's PC.

Enabling IOMMU will NOT wreck your PC, and if it does, then it is the fault of Windows or the system vendor.

 

[Numbers]

How pathetic do you have to be to pay thousands of dollars to cheat in Valorant?

well I mean they are playing Valorant in the first place.

 

[Aborted Drink Combo]

Cheat device: Hi, I'm a humble NVMe drive. Let me touch your no-no place
Anticheat: Windows, this thing is acting sus, it's touching me in no-no places
Windows: Lemme check
Windows checks
Windows: Wait this isn't an NVMe drive, and it's touching no-no places. IOMMU, That's not allowed.
IOMMU: YOU CAN'T TALK TO HER ANY MORE.
Cheat Device:

They hated him because he spoke the truth (autistically).

Vanguard just flags it, Windows is what is "bricking" computers. Also nothing is actually being bricked, Windows stops sperging if you remove the DMA card. Then you can just reformat, put the DMA card back in, and go back to being a nigger faggot cheater in games that don't use Vanguard.

 

[geckogoy]

It's not a "random device bricked at will." It's a device that tries to spoof an NVMe drive so it can attack the memory of a running program. This is full-on malware behavior. If nobody should be allowed to write software that responds to an attack like this, you're basically saying malware defense should be illegal.

This is deeply retarded btw

Software running on some guy's computer is not entitled to defend itself against the user and it should be illegal for it to attempt to do so

 

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Valorant players don't own the Valorant servers. Bringing a cheat device violates the T&Cs.

You don't own the YouTube servers. Adblock violates the T&Cs. You should be in a tiger cage in a concentration camp, you cuck.

They hated him because he spoke the truth (autistically).

Vanguard just flags it, Windows is what is "bricking" computers. Also nothing is actually being bricked, Windows stops sperging if you remove the DMA card. Then you can just reformat, put the DMA card back in, and go back to being a nigger faggot cheater in games that don't use Vanguard.

As long as my malicious actions exploit Windows functionality that's fine? Ahhhhh, so if my infostealer malware uses a Windows function to encrypt all your data with a key that you have to pay me to get access to, that's Microsoft's fault too?

How pathetic do you have to be to pay thousands of dollars to cheat in Valorant?

As pathetic as someone who thinks that 550 Euros is 6000 USD (retards like you or @The Ugly One).

 

[Whiskey]

This is deeply retarded btw

Software running on some guy's computer is not entitled to defend itself against the user and it should be illegal for it to attempt to do so

I would like to agree. I see the danger in this but it only harms losers, so far. Its like a vigilante murdering homeless fent addicts. Sure its *wrong* but im enjoying all the copper in my walls.

 

[acid_ra1n]

people always tell me im crazy when i call this stuff malware

 

[autistic dog]

It is always funny when some group of sperg losers forces another group to go nuclear on them. In this case a million dollar company was so ass mad about cheaters that they tried to destroy their hardware and failed. Now the cheating hardware gets a huge Streisand effect and will release a firmware update within a week to block this attack vector. Maybe someone will figure out something useful for this DMA bullshit like decoding encrypted video streams.

 

[The Ugly One]

Dude calm down youre the reason devs use floating point integers so we cant add fucking currency to some slog of a game with cheat engine. fuck all the way off with your noise.

I changed my mind. I don't see any risks at all in allowing device spoofing to enable RCEs. This is good and in fact it should be illegal to stop this.

It bricked the device

It didn't.

, and sounds like it even bricked connected pc too.

It didn't.

As already mentioned, you need to do a full os reinstall to undo the damage they did to your computer.

It didn't damage the computer at all.

Read about what happened. Jesus fuck, this is like when I tried to explain TPM to paranoid retards who think it sends your porn collection to Israel. Here's what happened:

1. RAC recognized a suspicious device that was
   1. Spoofing a benign device
   2. Directly accessing an unauthorized memory space (read: another program's memory space) and injecting unauthorized code.
2. Windows has security features to block, in general, anything that does these things, because this is how about 99.99% of malware works, and there is no legitimate reason to do either thing.
3. Windows verified that this device was, in fact, doing this. This resulted in the device being blocked from accessing the computer's memory at the IOMMU level. The IOMMU is a device that controls all device access to I/O. A specific feature of the IOMMU is blocking access requests to unauthorized memory. This what it is supposed to do.
4. The block is effectively permanent until you do a system wipe and restore.

Nobody's hardware got damaged. Nobody's PC got bricked. A device that tried to access computer memory in a way no device should ever be allowed to do got blocked from accessing computer memory. This made the device useless, as it has no purpose other than accessing memory it's not authorized to access.

 

[CarlKingofDucks]

Im still not convinced why I should care that someone trying to cheat had their day fucked up

 

[geckogoy]

Im still not convinced why I should care that someone trying to cheat had their day fucked up

Well its sortof like this: Guy tried to cheat, so valorant told microsoft to make his computer stop talking to his NVM drive, forcing him at a minimum to reinstall windows

Personally I think it should be illegal to sell an operating system with the ability to do that, except to people who thought it was a good idea. They should also have a cock and balls branded onto their forehead with a hot iron every year until they die to remind them of their folly and also as an example to others

 

[Day of the Cope]

Im still not convinced why I should care that someone trying to cheat had their day fucked up

"You went over the speed limit. For that, we're having your car turned into a cube."

 

[Staffy]

I keep mistaking this for Apex Legends. Do they both play similarly and have a really shitty anticheat software?

 

[Whiskey]

"You went over the speed limit. For that, we're having your car turned into a cube."

Pretty based not gonna lie.

 

[Tap Water Enjoyer]

I keep mistaking this for Apex Legends. Do they both play similarly and have a really shitty anticheat software?

This would take you a grand total of 30 seconds to look it up and yet here you are asking to be spoonfed like a faggot.

 

[Staffy]

This would take you a grand total of 30 seconds to look it up and yet here you are asking to be spoonfed like a faggot.

Why would I be bothered to look up slop games I won't even play? STFU, newfag.

 

[Abernathy]

This isn't about whatever linux fork you jerk off on. The topic is "riot games is fucking gay"

The topic is invasive corpo malware. I'd say Windows is very on-topic here. You're going to get a pride flag in your search bar soon.

 

[Breahna]

Im still not convinced why I should care that someone trying to cheat had their day fucked up

Because the same way your day can get fucked up for cheating (deserved) is the exact same way your day can get fucked up for cybercrime reasons.
Do you really trust companies with modern hiring standards with that level of access to your computer?

The Crowdstrike incident that happened within living memory was made possible by the fact that Crowdstrike has kernel level access, just like Riot Vanguard anti-cheat. This essentially shut down a good part of the corporate sector worldwide, along with airports, rail hubs and so on, for a day or two. It would have taken a lot longer to solve if it wasn't a mistake from an otherwise good company with plenty of actual competent programmers to throw at the problem.

What if next time it's not even a jeetcode error? I can't think of a much better way for a bad actor (state-sponsored or not) to get access to a bunch of high-powered PCs for malicious purposes at once than managing to hijack anti-cheat software for a game.

Here's another example: in 2017, the biggest freight company in the world, Maersk, got shut down so hard that they only managed to get back their ransomware'd database because an agency of theirs in Africa hadn't connected to the Internet for a couple of weeks.
How did this happen? An automatic update to a word processing software a branch used. Again, global shipping ground to a halt for two weeks because of an automatic update.