Vail Resorts Has an Epic Problem

  • Want to keep track of this thread?
    Accounts can bookmark posts, watch threads for updates, and jump back to where you stopped reading.
    Create account

Link. Archive.

Vail Resorts Has an Epic Problem​

From Stowe to Switzerland, Vail Resorts transformed skiing. Now, on one of the busiest ski weekends of the year, customers are pushing back.​

By Allison Pohle
Jan. 17, 2025 9:00 pm ET
1737225038842.png
There were long lines during the recent ski-patrol strike at Vail’s ski resort in Park City, Utah. Photo: Adam Shay

Vail Resorts became the biggest name in skiing by snapping up mountain destinations and transforming the lift ticket into an all-access pass. Now the company that reinvented the sport is facing big problems.

For the first time, the company recently disclosed, it sold fewer season lift tickets, known as Epic Passes, than it did the year before. The Epic Pass, which costs around $1,000 this season, offers unlimited access to 42 Vail properties around the world, from Stowe, Vt., to Whistler in Canada, to Andermatt in the Swiss Alps. The whole business model rests on the pass, and any diminished interest in it could spell trouble, compounding other issues the company has been grappling with. Chief among them: Growth in skiers has been muted for nearly 20 years.

The Vail method is to lock in customers with season passes and then charge for a growing number of extras like premium parking lots. The three-day Martin Luther King Jr. Day weekend is among the busiest of the year.

Its problems came to the fore over the recent holidays. A 12-day ski-patrol strike closed most runs at Park City, Utah, the company’s largest U.S. resort, leaving hundreds waiting on long lift lines, unable to ski most of the mountain and fuming on social media about ruined vacations. In recent years, its Whistler Blackcomb property in Canada was plagued by operational challenges, which Vail says it has been addressing, and by low snowfall. Referring to wait times as “epic” has become a running joke for frustrated Epic Pass holders.

Now, competitors have introduced rival multiresort megapasses.

More skiers are forgoing lift passes in favor of backcountry skiing. Vail’s stock, which peaked in November 2021 amid a pandemic boom in outdoor sports, has fallen by half in the three years since.
Vail changed the ski industry when it introduced the Epic Pass in 2008, at $579 for full access to six resorts. The price has increased almost every year to its current level. At the same time the company has raised the price of traditional lift tickets steeply, to around $300 a day in some cases.

The company kept acquiring resorts and adding them to the Epic Pass. In addition to securing skiers’ loyalty, the arrangement boosted revenue for Vail by creating a steady supply of customers for the company’s stable of hotels, restaurants, equipment shops and other slopeside amenities.

1737225160632.png
Whistler, in Canada, was plagued in recent years by challenges that Vail says it’s addressing. Photo: James MacDonald/Bloomberg News

And the passes helped the company spread risk to customers. The Epic Pass, which is nonrefundable, must be purchased before the season kicks into high gear, letting Vail enter winter with a healthy cash hoard. And if any of its resorts runs into a strike or a stretch without snow, the financial blow to Vail is cushioned.

Vail increasingly pushes customers to its passes, and passholders now account for 75% of skier visits to its resorts. But on the company’s most recent conference call discussing earnings, Chief Executive Kirsten Lynch said the number of passes the company sold in North America, its biggest and most important market, declined by 2%—the first decline since the pass was introduced. Revenue from pass sales nonetheless rose, thanks to an 8% price increase.

The company said it expects to sell 2.3 million Epic Passes globally. Lynch said during the call that she was pleased with the pass sales results.

Before the Epic Pass, Lynch said in an interview, feast-or-famine ruled the ski industry. Resorts depended primarily on traditional lift tickets for revenue. In years of poor conditions, ski areas couldn’t reinvest in workers or equipment. Getting skiers to commit in advance gives stability to the industry and allows the company the room to innovate, in much the same way annual Amazon Prime subscriptions have juiced the online retailer’s bottom line.


The driving force behind everything Vail does is the “guest experience,” a phrase Lynch repeated 11 times in the 30-minute interview.

“We’re not always perfect, but we do listen and we do take action and we do try to make investments back to improve the guest experience,” said Lynch, who has been Vail’s CEO for three years, after 10 years as its chief marketing officer. A lifelong skier, she previously worked in marketing at PepsiCo and Kraft Foods.

The decline in pass sales, Lynch said, was due to continued effects of “a post-Covid normalization” in travel patterns. Challenging weather last season, including light snowfall in some areas, also dampened this season’s sales, she said.

Vail had something distinctive with the Epic Pass but now faces growing competitive threats. The rival Ikon Pass, which costs closer to $1,500, is sold by the privately held Alterra Mountain Co. and offers skiers access to Steamboat, Deer Valley and Alterra’s 17 other resorts and more than 50 mountains around the world through partnerships. The Epic Pass offers access to more than 80 resorts worldwide, a mix of Vail-owned properties and partners. There is also the smaller Indy Pass, which offers access to many resorts, often locally owned, and the Mountain Collective Pass.

Vail and Alterra sell as many megapasses as they can, leading skiers to complain about overcrowding on the slopes. The rise of the megapass has also drawn more people to the marquee resorts since skiers can go to places like Vail in Colorado and Utah’s Snowbird using the same passes that get them on the lifts at smaller mountains far from the Rockies, like Hunter Mountain in New York, or Michigan’s Boyne Mountain.

1737225249237.png
Colorado’s Vail Ski Resort in the mid-1980s. Photo: S&G/PA Images/Getty Images

Vail Mountain opened in 1962. In 1992, Apollo Global Management, the private-equity firm, took over Gillett Holdings, the company that owned Vail and had gone bankrupt. Apollo restructured the company into Vail Resorts and took it public in 1997. By 2004, Apollo sold its stake in Vail. But Rob Katz, an Apollo employee who worked on forming Vail Resorts, stayed on the board, eventually becoming CEO. He is now executive chairman.

In the past decade, the company spent more than $1.9 billion to acquire 33 resorts. It looked for small resorts within driving distance of metropolitan areas in the hopes that skiers will also travel to its big, flagship resorts, where they’ll spend on lodging and dining.

Park City Mountain is the largest ski resort in the U.S., the result of the 2015 combination of Park City Mountain Resort and neighboring Canyons Resort. The resort has more than 7,300 acres of skiable terrain, with upwards of 300 trails, spanning many snowcapped peaks.

On Dec. 27, about 190 Park City ski patrollers walked off the job, striking for better pay and other improvements to deal with the high cost of living in a resort town.

Vail brought in managers and patrollers from other resorts. About 30 patrollers staffed the mountain during strike days, union members say, versus typical staffing of around 120. Vail said more than 30 patrollers were on duty during the strike but didn’t elaborate because it doesn’t publicly disclose staffing figures. With fewer patrollers available to evacuate injured skiers and head off potential avalanches, up to 85% of the skiable trails were closed during the strike.

The Tombstone Express, a six-person chairlift that serves as a major access point for the resort, closed during much of the strike, leaving limited terrain on much of the Canyons side of the mountain. Patrollers opened only as much terrain as was safe given limited staffing levels, Vail said, with priority for the most popular beginner and intermediate terrain.

Adam Shay with his wife and two teenage sons traveled to Park City from Wilmington, N.C., on New Year’s Eve for a five-night vacation. Shay knew the ski patrol was on strike, but hoped it would be resolved.

1737225298880.png
The Park City ski-patrol strike was resolved with raises and other benefits for patrollers. Photo: Daniel Carde/Zuma Press


On Jan. 2 at 8:20 a.m., the Shays got in line for the orange bubble chairlift on the Canyons side of the mountain. The lift was scheduled to open at 9 a.m. At 9:14, with snow softly falling, skiers in line began chanting: “Pay ski patrol.” The lift didn’t start ferrying skiers until 9:45 due to avalanche mitigation, he says, which was slowed by the strike.

Shay and his family spent $9,700 on the trip, including airfare, rooms at the Silverado Lodge, managed by Vail, and ski rentals from a Vail-operated gear store.

The long lines and limited terrain were due to mismanagement, he says, adding that Vail should have been prepared for the strike. “If this is how they’re going to treat people, it shows they don’t care about anything but selling passes to them and lodging to them, and not about their experience.”

The strike ended after 12 days on Jan. 8, with Vail agreeing to an average pay increase of $4 an hour for workers whose hourly wage now ranges from about $23 to $40, according to a union representative, and added benefits, including access to parental leave.

The company said this week that it will give passholders a credit for each day skied or snowboarded at Park City Mountain during the strike period to apply toward the purchase of an Epic Pass of equal or greater value next year

For years, Vail delivered the kind of growth Wall Street prizes by acquiring new resorts and convincing more skiers to purchase Epic Passes.

After Vail’s run of domestic acquisitions, growth is now harder to come by, said Chris Woronka, a Deutsche Bank analyst. The company has its sights on Europe, but it’s expensive to break into markets outside the U.S. Ski-resort operators are competing with any other way people can spend a vacation, he said, and also need to get younger people involved in the sport.

The rate for a beginner, full-day group ski lesson for kids aged 7 to 15 without Epic Passes at Vail Mountain this weekend was listed online as $409, plus $54 for equipment rental and $23 for a helmet. Epic passholders get a 20% discount.

Vail said it is working to build customer loyalty by investing in workers and technology, to acquire new resorts and to get customers to spend more on rentals and ski school. The company is also trying to sell more passes and become more efficient, it said.

1737225353717.png
Vail acquired Vermont’s Stowe Mountain in 2017. Photo: Scott Braaten/Stowe Mountain Resort/Associated Press

Vail will spend up to $254 million this year to make upgrades at its resorts, including installing a new gondola at Park City, which is to host Olympic events in 2034, and making changes at the newly acquired Crans-Montana resort in Switzerland.

In September, Vail Resorts announced a plan to save $100 million over the next two years. The company will lay off 14% of its corporate workforce and 0.2% of its front-line staff, and make changes like outsourcing call centers.

Vail acquired Stowe Mountain in 2017, a destination resort in a quintessential Vermont town. It was the company’s first East Coast acquisition. Vail invested in more efficient snow-making equipment and higher-speed chairlifts. Vail’s Epic Pass brought many more people to the resort, which is accessible by a winding mountain road.

Vail also did away with some local touches. Vail made unpopular changes to a once-free ski program for local schoolkids. In exchange for volunteering to teach during the Friday afternoon program, area residents could get a free lift ticket for the day, and one to use on a future day. The program now costs $68 for the season. Chaperones now get a ticket for the day, the company says, and another single-day ticket for every two days spent volunteering.

Deb Martin has skied at Stowe since the 1960s, and lived in the area since the ’70s. She can get to the mountain in 10 minutes from her house. In recent years, the traffic backup has prevented her from reaching the mountain on powder days. Her husband just bought his first set of backcountry equipment. “If it gets so bad,” she said, “we won’t buy a pass and will start backcountry skiing as our primary way to ski.”

Write to Allison Pohle at allison.pohle@wsj.com

Appeared in the January 18, 2025, print edition as 'Vail Resorts Has an Epic Problem'.


Link. Archive.
 
Vail pretty much shot themselves in the dick on this. Their idea to buy up a smaller ski areas in the midwest and mid-atlantic was solid; you tap into larger markets and offer those people the chance to take a trip to rockies or east coast on that same pass. Of course, since Vail owns so many hotels/condos at their big resorts, well, hell, you can lure those same visitors to stay on-site and rake in more money. Getting that massive amount of cash well before the season means they know, to a degree what a large portion of their revenues will be for the upcoming year and they can also grow that money a bit before burning it come late fall.

But it seems they underestimated how popular the passes would be and the WFH shift that led to the bay area people doing extended or permanent stints in tahoe as well as the rapid growth of denver. I-70 is a nightmare these days and unless you're through the tunnel or loveland pass by 7a on a saturday morning, well, enjoy the inevitable traffic jams westbound and having to leave by 3p or waiting until 7p to head back east to Denver on sunday evening to skip the traffic. A lot people are also turbo pissed about the parking situations and having to reserve online during holidays and weekends, let alone the premium lot issue. I'm not in the market anymore for any mega pass due to my location, but I'd think long and hard about getting one if I lived near a vail ski area.
 
Last time I looked, a room or condo runs $400+ a night, plus flights, plus gear, plus either the pass or lift tickets.

How many families can actually afford to spend $10,000 on a ski trip?

Does anyone else feel like we’re living in a massive bubble? I just can’t connect how much other people consume (stuff, trips, hobbies, whatever) with current cost-of-living. I make above-median income, have no debt, spend almost nothing on clothes/furniture/food, and can comfortably take 1-3 ski/dive/tourist trips per year—if I stay in hostels and book cheap flights.

This whole scenario feels like 2006-2007 spending craze all over again.
 
I'm on the rival Ikon pass from Alterra who operate on a similar business model but do it way better. Each Alterra owned resort is pretty much independently managed from one another, and maintains their unique pre-buyout characteristics for a better experience for all. They also apparently love to poach experienced mechanics and crew from Vail owned resorts with better pay and benefits. When Sierra at Tahoe in the Lake Tahoe area suffered extensive fire damage in 2021 Palisades Tahoe donated spare lift line while Mammoth Mountain (Both Palisades and Mammoth are Alterra owned) provided an installation crew free of charge to the resort while the Vail resorts were nowhere to be seen with aid, having to wait from their head office.

It's also insane to me how overpriced Colorado is compared to other parts of the country to ski/snowboard that are just as good or not better, like Utah. For the price of a 4-5 days in a hostel at the Dillon resevoir you can get an airbnb in Salt Lake City or motel room in Bend, Oregon for about 3 weeks.
 
Last time I looked, a room or condo runs $400+ a night, plus flights, plus gear, plus either the pass or lift tickets.

How many families can actually afford to spend $10,000 on a ski trip?
They expect to be global vacation spots where the wealthy of the world can stay. It's almost comical because the workforce there is so utterly fucked it is funny. You can't have a 20-something working at Starbucks near the hotel lobby for minimum wage, and you expect them to somehow be in a commute range.

Not a single local Colorado person, for the most part, can afford to live anywhere near there. They expect people to commute from, like, fucking Grand Junction, lmao - or even better, expecting wealthy families who live in the area to stay there as snowbirds and have their kids and family work the areas there. Due to I-70 sucking shit to drive and the wealthy of the world seeing that the 80's ski craze is dead, I imagine that these resorts are going to implode one day in the near future.
 
Last time I looked, a room or condo runs $400+ a night, plus flights, plus gear, plus either the pass or lift tickets.

How many families can actually afford to spend $10,000 on a ski trip?

Does anyone else feel like we’re living in a massive bubble? I just can’t connect how much other people consume (stuff, trips, hobbies, whatever) with current cost-of-living. I make above-median income, have no debt, spend almost nothing on clothes/furniture/food, and can comfortably take 1-3 ski/dive/tourist trips per year—if I stay in hostels and book cheap flights.

This whole scenario feels like 2006-2007 spending craze all over again.

Cheapest condo slopeside at Breckinridge next Friday, for two people, is $500 per night.

I have no idea how a famly of four can afford a full blown cross-the-country ski vacation. It's always been expensive but it was never this wild. Fuck it, throw on the VISA card and worry about it later. Who needs to invest for the future when you can get those sweet Instagram pics.

Not a single local Colorado person, for the most part, can afford to live anywhere near there. They expect people to commute from, like, fucking Grand Junction, lmao - or even better, expecting wealthy families who live in the area to stay there as snowbirds and have their kids and family work the areas there. Due to I-70 sucking shit to drive and the wealthy of the world seeing that the 80's ski craze is dead, I imagine that these resorts are going to implode one day in the near future.

Pre-'rona I applied for a professional job in Georgetown, the last town before the tunnel heading west on I-70 and the cost for housing was steep even on a good salary. It's like doubled in price since 2020. I know Vail offers employee housing, but where the fuck do the people who actually run the town like nurses and electricians and even accountants or whatever, where do they live? Nobody wants to be 30 years old and have 5 roommates just to live in a ski town.
 
It's like doubled in price since 2020. I know Vail offers employee housing, but where the fuck do the people who actually run the town like nurses and electricians and even accountants or whatever, where do they live?
Nurse? Pf - It's Vail. Every single one of those dudes is getting a flight for life heli ride to St. Marys in GJ. For service providers and the like, I assume it's old heads from Eagle or the like who just haven't died or moved yet.
 
I'm not a skifag but this sounds fucking miserable.

For that kind of money, I want it to be exclusive.

Exclusive as in I don't want to see another person.

The hotel from "Succession" sounds way more my speed.

 
Fuck it, throw on the VISA card and worry about it later. Who needs to invest for the future when you can get those sweet Instagram pics.
Agreed; this is the only way I can make sense of it. The nation (globe?) is heading into an enormous debt crisis because the income—the real value of income, as in the relative scarcity of skilled labor—cannot match the ease of everyone using credit. I just keep looking at California real estate prices and Afterpay ads, and I’m waiting for the other shoe to drop.
They expect to be global vacation spots where the wealthy of the world can stay. It's almost comical because the workforce there is so utterly fucked it is funny.
And, honestly, Colorado is fun because Coloradans are fun, but a lot of the terrain isn’t AMAZING. I liked Montana and Canada better for skiing; CO just had the edge in expense and convenience.
 
Nurse? Pf - It's Vail. Every single one of those dudes is getting a flight for life heli ride to St. Marys in GJ. For service providers and the like, I assume it's old heads from Eagle or the like who just haven't died or moved yet.

I meant Vail Resorts in general offering dorms. Zillow has a 2bd/2ba small condo in the Dillion/Silverthorn area at 349k, plus an eye watering HOA monthly fee. That's the cheapest 2bd except for one gutted condo, in the resevoir area. And the numbers shoot up from there. That's nuts. Dude at the gas station or a waitress isn't going to ever afford that or hell, even afford to rent a place like that.

a lot of the terrain isn’t AMAZING. I liked Montana and Canada better for skiing; CO just had the edge in expense and convenience.

Agreed, it's very good but until recently had the access and dedicated snow sport specific infrastructure edge over SLC and Reno/Tahoe. The Canadian BC Rockies were amazing, but had to drive in from Calgary. It's probably a screaming deal right now with the very weak Loonie.
 
I meant Vail Resorts in general offering dorms. Zillow has a 2bd/2ba small condo in the Dillion/Silverthorn area at 349k, plus an eye watering HOA monthly fee. That's the cheapest 2bd except for one gutted condo, in the resevoir area. And the numbers shoot up from there. That's nuts. Dude at the gas station or a waitress isn't going to ever afford that or hell, even afford to rent a place like that.
Speaking of expensive digs in these areas, it always is prime comedy to read about though.

1737236267494.png

1737236286677.png
 
Back
Top Bottom