[USIPS] Logo Design Collaboration

[DefinitelyNotMe]

Also did a middle point in terms of face added anger to the expression
Did a muscles mapping for the body

 

[Null]

I don't have a clear idea of what I want the face to look like. A doll face like in the sketches might work best to avoid the problem.

Angry is wrong. You have to strike a balance between weakness and strength. We're not strong but we're not weak. It's not easy but it's not impossible. We're determined but don't take it for granted.

 

[FamicomGorby]

Also did a middle point in terms of face added anger to the expression
Did a muscles mapping for a body

Maybe you want stern more than anger, like old WW2 era posters

 

[DefinitelyNotMe]

I don't have a clear idea of what I want the face to look like. A doll face like in the sketches might work best to avoid the problem.

Angry is wrong. You have to strike a balance between weakness and strength. We're not strong but we're not weak. It's not easy but it's not impossible. We're determined but don't take it for granted.

Do you want no facial features at all, or just have basics like nose, eyes, ears?

 

[Null]

I don't know.

 

[Silver Coin Anon]

Do you want no facial features at all, or just have basics like nose, eyes, ears?

I don't know.

I have no personal comment on how simple or complex a face should be, but some of the Christian portrayals of their martyrs have them in positions of absolute weakness but resolute in their faith with complex or simple faces. Some artists of history try to portray the martyrs and saints as being utterly passive but saved by God from their torment, but many strike a perfect balance. Most portray Christ as being UTTERLY TIRED but forced to carry - whereas some portray him as resolute in walking to his death, already beaten and bloodied. I particularly enjoy this one of him and his mother. Not to imply anything with talk about martyrs, but... it may fit you better than we can appreciate. The martyr would be a more complex face and the second with Jesus would be more simple faces.



As an aside to any readers, there are two general theories to block prints. You either print with ink in the grooves (Intaglio) or ink on the face (normal/wood block). But cutting is almost always done by pointed or rounded or square gravers to control line length and depth of cut. I hopefully demonstrated that in the image below.



Intaglio of multiple colors, where different blocks are made and printed one after the other.


Wood block where the material that is removed makes blank areas on the paper and the material that is left makes the black lines and shapes.


The "Sketchy" look that people think of with engravings is probably a result of one of these techniques being used since ink-printing using engraved blocks is not a 100% perfect process and some of them end up looking almost like a pencil sketch. Three random examples below of what has been done, from rather complex (Rembrandt, no less) to very simple.

 

[DefinitelyNotMe]

Did a couple sketches
Hope this helps
Ill think more about it tomorow

 

[Flaming_Barghast]

@Null Here's 2 joke versions

 

[DefinitelyNotMe]

I think I figured out the face.
I made a but more soft to show weakness of the person kept calm expression to show determination and made everything in hard shadows to hide most of the face features. Kept hair but made it simple. Maybe need some thicker outlining on top to keep the shape when its will be smaller.
What do you think?

 

[Null]

That is a incredible drawing. Can you make a version with curly hair? The back of the head seems to lack volume but the face is great.

 

[DefinitelyNotMe]

That is a incredible drawing. Can you make a version with curly hair? The back of the head seems to lack volume but the face is great.

i tried to put on the initial sketch and it looks about right
Yeah the back of the head is a bit off
sure ill add curls

 

[DefinitelyNotMe]

how is it?

 

[Null]

now we're cooking

 

[DefinitelyNotMe]

Done with the shading of the body and very rough version of the vector version
Auto tracing tend to simplify drawings
i can tilt the head if needed

 

[Null]

Don't go overboard on shading. I need it vectorable. I want strong outlines and then engraving lines for shading (i.e. like Benjamin Franklin on the $100).

 

[DefinitelyNotMe]

Don't go overboard on shading. I need it vectorable. I want strong outlines and then engraving lines for shading (i.e. like Benjamin Franklin on the $100).

do you mean more shades of gray or more contrast
i can set color of any of segments if needed

 

[Silver Coin Anon]

-snip-

Vectors for logos are usually 1, 2, or 3-tone on top of white. Note simplified logos like for cell-phone apps or like the Colorado flag. Your version should probably just have 1 or 2 like my GARBAGE 1-tone example I made in two minutes below.



Here is the original engraving the BEP used to make the one on the $100 and their final version.



You will see they used the standard method where they lined out the profile lines of his face for depth then used the line continuity/cross hatching for the shading.

 

[DefinitelyNotMe]

Vectors for logos are usually 1, 2, or 3-tone on top of white. Note simplified logos like for cell-phone apps or like the Colorado flag. Your version should probably just have 1 or 2 like my GARBAGE 1-tone example I made in two minutes below.

so more contrast
ill try to fuck more with settings and will comeback with a couple of versions
but do tell if i need to darken some spots
i need to do it with the pencil most likely

 

[Silver Coin Anon]

so more contrast
ill try to fuck more with settings and will comeback with a couple of versions

Personally I think you're on the right track here. You ever do vector graphics? I have the software and can help once the art is in a more final condition approved by Jersh.

 

[DefinitelyNotMe]

Personally I think you're on the right track here. You ever do vector graphics? I have the software and can help once the art is in a more final condition approved by Jersh.

im familiar with coreldraw
thats how i did these images, haven't opened it in months though