US US Politics General - Discussion of President Biden and other politicians

 

[MirrorNoir]

Impeachment of Joe Biden will be a waste of time because he will not be alive by that time

Impeachment would serve two purposes:

1. To irrevocably scar Biden's legacy by having him have more impeachments levied against him than Trump as far as him being the new high score in that notorious category

2. To dig up all sorts of shit Biden's done for the public since a couple of impeachment trials will allow them to paint the dots for the masses about all of the vile shit that Biden's done and how the Democrats protected him. Especially since, unlike Clinton, Biden doesn't have a booming economy to make people make a Faustian bargain to turn a blind eye to his shit.

 

[Kuritan Deplorable]

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Pakis in man dresses can make a decent rifle; we invented the modern rifle. I can tell you have never worked with, or made anything, with your own hands. Red states have thousands of trained gunsmiths, machinists, metal workers, electricians, boilermakers and mechanics. Russia can and will starve Europe out of the raw materials needed for your fancy toys, and even if the coastal elites could get them, they lack any manufacturing capacity since they dismantled it and sent it to China. Who will step in? Mexico? Brazil? Argentina? Canada? Canada, which is also doubling down on shutting off farming and oil production.

If you reply with the "B-But fighters! Bombs! Tanks!" the Paki's next door neighbors beat us without those.

You ask the wrong question: how will blue states get food and fuel if they have not the means or, most importantly, the skills required to farm or refine petroleum, and cannot rely on imports.

Its worth remembering the only substantial differences between modern weapons and the first generation of smokeless powder weapons is design knowledge and tooling precision. Metal quality was a concern back then but more from inconsistent manufacturing and testing, less so from "the steels weren't possible to make" - the high strength alloys required were novel, but hardly an impossibility. What sets us apart is the tolerances we can achieve with modern machining and the fact we have generations of bad and good ideas to look over and loot from. You barely even need electricity for them, being relegated to plating and driving other chemical processes to treat the metals. While a good bluing is important for a weapon to last, if you're just arming insurrectionists, automotive steels left in the white will still go bang.

It wouldn't take an exceptionally talented gunsmith to set up a shop to clone or repair parts for an AR15. Any half decent metal shop would have the bare minimum to do the work, and those sorts of sites are a dime a dozen out anywhere you have industry, resource extraction, or trucking. Not having 'quite' the right equipment is gonna lead to some losses in mechanical accuracy, but not enough to make a significant difference - If 50 year old Afghani AK's cleaned with used motor oil and fired vaguely "in that direction" were enough to wound and kill US Marines, Bubba's Ford-AR150 struggling against mechanical limits at 500m instead of 800m isn't going to be a terrible loss.

I do think its important to acknowledge this isn't an exclusive red state advantage - Blue states will have the tooling too, and even most cities would have the equipment. The difference is mostly going to be the gunsmith population, I do not know a single, not one, openly lefty gunsmith. Gun shop owners, sure, but the guy who's actually fixing guns? Never seen anything further left than "disillusioned centrist". Not sure if its something about how an engineer is gonna view the tool as opposed to the normies, but its stood out to me.

 

[RandomTwitterGuy]

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Pakis in man dresses can make a decent rifle; we invented the modern rifle. I can tell you have never worked with, or made anything, with your own hands. Red states have thousands of trained gunsmiths, machinists, metal workers, electricians, boilermakers and mechanics. Russia can and will starve Europe out of the raw materials needed for your fancy toys, and even if the coastal elites could get them, they lack any manufacturing capacity since they dismantled it and sent it to China. Who will step in? Mexico? Brazil? Argentina? Canada? Canada, which is also doubling down on shutting off farming and oil production.

I love this because it hammers that the INCEL LARPER here has never worked a day in the production or even knows what we do there.

So I have done everything from farm work, assembly work, and machine tender. This was before I went into white-collar work. So i have seen the entire line and what goes into modern production. From the small 5-man machine shops getting new machines to a massive 1000 having to get an entire overhaul of the machine cells. I have seen it all, so i also know how things are done. If you do anything complex, then building it yourself tends to be the slow option.

If you reply with the "B-But fighters! Bombs! Tanks!" the Paki's next door neighbors beat us without those.

You will need to make Bomb Tanks and everything else.
Your little self-made AR-15 is not going to do SHIT vs a tank or stop a drone from bombing your ass. We have seen that drones will be a major problem from now on. So how will you create a system to stop them and get a replacement for defenses against them?

You will need programming, chips, electronics, and a fuck ton of things to get this working. Yes, you can make a lot of this yourself, but can you make enough and fast enough? while your industrial bases are getting missle struck.

You ask the wrong question: how will blue states get food and fuel if they have not the means or, most importantly, the skills required to farm or refine petroleum, and cannot rely on imports.

Europe, Mexico, Canada, Korea, Japan, and so on. All these countries have a fuck ton of people with the right skills.
Now i get it that you have never spoken with another human being, and you a living the incel basement lifestyle, but why would they have a skill shortage for anything?

The big problem is fielding a modern advanced army and supplying it. Do the Red states have a strong enough navy to blockade the blue states or vice versa? Because if not, then this war will be about who has the best friends willing to send them goods and gear to support their side of the war.
Whoever controls imports will WIN.

 

[Kane Lives]

Its worth remembering the only substantial differences between modern weapons and the first generation of smokeless powder weapons is design knowledge and tooling precision. Metal quality was a concern back then but more from inconsistent manufacturing and testing, less so from "the steels weren't possible to make" - the high strength alloys required were novel, but hardly an impossibility. What sets us apart is the tolerances we can achieve with modern machining and the fact we have generations of bad and good ideas to look over and loot from. You barely even need electricity for them, being relegated to plating and driving other chemical processes to treat the metals. While a good bluing is important for a weapon to last, if you're just arming insurrectionists, automotive steels left in the white will still go bang.

It wouldn't take an exceptionally talented gunsmith to set up a shop to clone or repair parts for an AR15. Any half decent metal shop would have the bare minimum to do the work, and those sorts of sites are a dime a dozen out anywhere you have industry, resource extraction, or trucking. Not having 'quite' the right equipment is gonna lead to some losses in mechanical accuracy, but not enough to make a significant difference - If 50 year old Afghani AK's cleaned with used motor oil and fired vaguely "in that direction" were enough to wound and kill US Marines, Bubba's Ford-AR150 struggling against mechanical limits at 500m instead of 800m isn't going to be a terrible loss.

I do think its important to acknowledge this isn't an exclusive red state advantage - Blue states will have the tooling too, and even most cities would have the equipment. The difference is mostly going to be the gunsmith population, I do not know a single, not one, openly lefty gunsmith. Gun shop owners, sure, but the guy who's actually fixing guns? Never seen anything further left than "disillusioned centrist". Not sure if its something about how an engineer is gonna view the tool as opposed to the normies, but its stood out to me.

I'll just point out that Shinzo "Have Sex" Abe was shot by a homemade shotgun that some autist in no-gun Nippon land rigged up with parts he bought from the hardware store. If he can do it, I bet you millions others are capable of doing it as well. By design, it will never be as capable or reliable as machine-produced gun, but when it's the difference between life and death...

 

[Feline Supremacist]

I love this because it hammers that the INCEL LARPER here has never worked a day in the production or even knows what we do there.

So I have done everything from farm work, assembly work, and machine tender. This was before I went into white-collar work. So i have seen the entire line and what goes into modern production. From the small 5-man machine shops getting new machines to a massive 1000 having to get an entire overhaul of the machine cells. I have seen it all, so i also know how things are done. If you do anything complex, then building it yourself tends to be the slow option.



You will need to make Bomb Tanks and everything else.
Your little self-made AR-15 is not going to do SHIT vs a tank or stop a drone from bombing your ass. We have seen that drones will be a major problem from now on. So how will you create a system to stop them and get a replacement for defenses against them?

You will need programming, chips, electronics, and a fuck ton of things to get this working. Yes, you can make a lot of this yourself, but can you make enough and fast enough? while your industrial bases are getting missle struck.



Europe, Mexico, Canada, Korea, Japan, and so on. All these countries have a fuck ton of people with the right skills.
Now i get it that you have never spoken with another human being, and you a living the incel basement lifestyle, but why would they have a skill shortage for anything?

The big problem is fielding a modern advanced army and supplying it. Do the Red states have a strong enough navy to blockade the blue states or vice versa? Because if not, then this war will be about who has the best friends willing to send them goods and gear to support their side of the war.
Whoever controls imports will WIN.

I don't believe Afghanistan has had any factories and factory workers, much less with the latest and greatest, since the 1970s, yet those goat fuckers embarrassed us up to the last minute, and they managed to eat too, without importing food

Kemal Ataturk fended off the entire West when the Ottomans were busted and had to conscript schoolgirls to make bullets in classrooms, and send the Greeks packing off Smyrna for good.

I can tell you are a dalit pajeet daddy gave the dipstick to every night as you keep proving don't know shit with every post.

 

[RandomTwitterGuy]

I don't believe Afghanistan has had any factories and factory workers, much less with the latest and greatest, since the 1970s, yet those goat fuckers embarrassed us up to the last minute, and they managed to eat too, without importing food

This only helps to reinforce the idea that you are an Incel with no human interactions.

Kemal Ataturk fended off the entire West when the Ottomans were busted and had to conscript schoolgirls to make bullets in classrooms, and send the Greeks packing off Smyrna for good.

You compare a war that would be over 100 years ago with a modern civil war. I wonder if the way war is fought, and the equipment is changed in over 100 YEARS. Also, Afghanistan is a different case as that was not a civil war, but an insurgency.

That means the goal for the Insurgents is not to control land, hold infrastructure, or anything else, but to make it costly for the invaders. Nothing more, nothing less.
In a civil war, this would not be the case it would be ARMY on ARMY action, more like what we see in Ukraine.

I can tell you are a dalit pajeet daddy gave the dipstick to every night as you keep proving don't know shit with every post.

A war is won by logistics, supplies, and men.
How will you provide your red state army with all it needs? So i ask again as you pivot away from the question.

Will the Red states have a strong enough navy/Airforce to stop imports to blue states from their allies the Europeans, Canadiens, Koreans, Japanse, and whoever else will be willing to send experts, food, and potentially soldiers?. Because if you can not, then how can you strike at ammo production, food production, training, and everything else?

Also, how is your homemade cave gun going to stop my drone from bombing your retarded fat ass?.

 

[LUNEKO]

Buddies i think you got the wrong door, the russian v nato slapfight thread is 2 subforums down

 

[Bungle]

Your little self-made AR-15 is not going to do SHIT vs a tank or stop a drone from bombing your ass. We have seen that drones will be a major problem from now on. So how will you create a system to stop them and get a replacement for defenses against them?

The U.S. basically said the same thing for the last 20 fuckin years and we got our ass handed to us by a bunch of plucky brown dudes in a desert that basically had nothing but a few ancient AKs, some IEDs whipped up in a cave, and a twinkle in their eyes.

At the end of the day drones, tanks, whatever-the-hell else can't hold street corners you need boots on the ground, and when potentially half the country is strapped that becomes very hard to do.

 

[Easy J]

This only helps to reinforce the idea that you are an Incel with no human interactions.



You compare a war that would be over 100 years ago with a modern civil war. I wonder if the way war is fought, and the equipment is changed in over 100 YEARS. Also, Afghanistan is a different case as that was not a civil war, but an insurgency.

That means the goal for the Insurgents is not to control land, hold infrastructure, or anything else, but to make it costly for the invaders. Nothing more, nothing less.
In a civil war, this would not be the case it would be ARMY on ARMY action, more like what we see in Ukraine.



A war is won by logistics, supplies, and men.
How will you provide your red state army with all it needs? So i ask again as you pivot away from the question.

Will the Red states have a strong enough navy/Airforce to stop imports to blue states from their allies the Europeans, Canadiens, Koreans, Japanse, and whoever else will be willing to send experts, food, and potentially soldiers?. Because if you can not, then how can you strike at ammo production, food production, training, and everything else?

Also, how is your homemade cave gun going to stop my drone from bombing your retarded fat ass?.

You gave bigger, tougher kids your lunch money, didn't you?

 

[DicksOutForBurgers]

This only helps to reinforce the idea that you are an Incel with no human interactions.



You compare a war that would be over 100 years ago with a modern civil war. I wonder if the way war is fought, and the equipment is changed in over 100 YEARS. Also, Afghanistan is a different case as that was not a civil war, but an insurgency.

That means the goal for the Insurgents is not to control land, hold infrastructure, or anything else, but to make it costly for the invaders. Nothing more, nothing less.
In a civil war, this would not be the case it would be ARMY on ARMY action, more like what we see in Ukraine.



A war is won by logistics, supplies, and men.
How will you provide your red state army with all it needs? So i ask again as you pivot away from the question.

Will the Red states have a strong enough navy/Airforce to stop imports to blue states from their allies the Europeans, Canadiens, Koreans, Japanse, and whoever else will be willing to send experts, food, and potentially soldiers?. Because if you can not, then how can you strike at ammo production, food production, training, and everything else?

Also, how is your homemade cave gun going to stop my drone from bombing your retarded fat ass?.

The only issue with this is that in a civil war scenario, in the US, drones will be out of the question. You're not going to drop bombs on your own cities, where rebels will definitely be held up in. There is this retarded idea that both sides are going to be in strictly blue or red states. That's not how it's going to work out. Realistically, you'll have "resistances" of blues and reds popping up in both sides territories. Congressmen aren't going to allow a drone strike half a mile away from their neighborhood when a group of upper New Yorkers decide to start blowing up infrastructure. That means the fight is going to be very boots on the ground and very disorganized. You'll have cells disconnected from each other fighting mini-civil wars all over the country. Realistically, it ends with Balkanization or the collapse of the United States. No one wins.

Edit: Also, contrarily. I don't think a second civil war will last very long. The American populace is soft and within a year most people would be exhausted and unwilling to fight.

 

[soy_king]

The only issue with this is that in a civil war scenario, in the US, drones will be out of the question. You're not going to drop bombs on your own cities, where rebels will definitely be held up in. There is this retarded idea that both sides are going to be in strictly blue or red states. That's not how it's going to work out. Realistically, you'll have "resistances" of blues and reds popping up in both sides territories. Congressmen aren't going to allow a drone strike half a mile away from their neighborhood when a group of upper New Yorkers decide to start blowing up infrastructure. That means the fight is going to be very boots on the ground and very disorganized. You'll have cells disconnected from each other fighting mini-civil wars all over the country. Realistically, it ends with Balkanization or the collapse of the United States. No one wins.

Edit: Also, contrarily. I don't think a second civil war will last very long. The American populace is soft and within a year most people would be exhausted and unwilling to fight.

that's only for the first few months. any potential conflict would end up with the stabilization of front lines and the elimination of these cells after a few weeks of intense fighting.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

This only helps to reinforce the idea that you are an Incel with no human interactions.



You compare a war that would be over 100 years ago with a modern civil war. I wonder if the way war is fought, and the equipment is changed in over 100 YEARS. Also, Afghanistan is a different case as that was not a civil war, but an insurgency.

That means the goal for the Insurgents is not to control land, hold infrastructure, or anything else, but to make it costly for the invaders. Nothing more, nothing less.
In a civil war, this would not be the case it would be ARMY on ARMY action, more like what we see in Ukraine.



A war is won by logistics, supplies, and men.
How will you provide your red state army with all it needs? So i ask again as you pivot away from the question.

Will the Red states have a strong enough navy/Airforce to stop imports to blue states from their allies the Europeans, Canadiens, Koreans, Japanse, and whoever else will be willing to send experts, food, and potentially soldiers?. Because if you can not, then how can you strike at ammo production, food production, training, and everything else?

Also, how is your homemade cave gun going to stop my drone from bombing your retarded fat ass?.

Listen dalit, this is not your designated shitting thread, it's over here.

All civil wars begin as insurgencies you smoothbrain, and having advanced technology is no guarantee of success. That goes for the Turkish War of Independence, the Roman Empire or the Ukies getting their shit pushed in by old fashioned artillery right now, which by the way, dashes your hopes the japs, commie gooks or frozen Euros will save your stinky butt when they hoard all their food and tech for themselves.

I can tell you never had to defend your life with a weapon, but if all the cannon fodder are like you, the USA in its current form is hosed. Which works for me.

 

[FAQnews Correspondent]

Listen dalit, this is not your designated shitting thread, it's over here.

All civil wars begin as insurgencies you smoothbrain, and having advanced technology is no guarantee of success. That goes for the Turkish War of Independence, the Roman Empire or the Ukies getting their shit pushed in by old fashioned artillery right now, which by the way, dashes your hopes the japs, commie gooks or frozen Euros will save your stinky butt when they hoard all their food and tech for themselves.

I can tell you never had to defend your life with a weapon, but if all the cannon fodder are like you, the USA in its current form is hosed. Which works for me.

Oh yeah? Well, have sex, INCEL. I win, right? Is that how it works?

 

[not william stenchever]

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Pakis in man dresses can make a decent rifle; we invented the modern rifle. I can tell you have never worked with, or made anything, with your own hands. Red states have thousands of trained gunsmiths, machinists, metal workers, electricians, boilermakers and mechanics. Russia can and will starve Europe out of the raw materials needed for your fancy toys, and even if the coastal elites could get them, they lack any manufacturing capacity since they dismantled it and sent it to China. Who will step in? Mexico? Brazil? Argentina? Canada? Canada, which is also doubling down on shutting off farming and oil production.

If you reply with the "B-But fighters! Bombs! Tanks!" the Paki's next door neighbors beat us without those.

You ask the wrong question: how will blue states get food and fuel if they have not the means or, most importantly, the skills required to farm or refine petroleum, and cannot rely on imports.

The loose long sleeved clothing near spinning machinery is making my asshole pucker but then again I am not of the Inshallah culture. "I have been snagged by the lathe, god wills it."

 

[namelesstacotruck]

There wont be a civil war. Because there are no organized groups that could act as counter government. (The glowies make sure of that)

Any civil war will be deemed a war on terror and buck breaking of rural/red areas. If actual states broke off we are in "here be dragons" territory. The whole world is dependent on the global order that America has. And even China probably doesnt feel its ready yet to take over.

The worlds financial and internet backbones are all in the US, and all the current territorial guarantees are backed by the US. A civil war means the collapse of global finance and all borders are up for review.

Other nations are gonna have trouble intervening when they arent getting American food imports. And how are they getting troops to the US in the first place without the American military? China has to worry about Japan and India.

The idea that other countries will intervene with troops in the US is pretty laughable because at that point the petro dollar would have collapsed the American food imports would have stopped and they would have serious shit ready to pop off in their own back yard.

Ive not seen any evidence that anyone red is willing to fight though. Being red means you have a family/job/stuff to lose. Nothing left to lose for Americans is another "here be dragons" moment. Nobody know what might happen.

 

[Slappy McGherkin]

Nobody know what might happen.

Some of us would rather not even speculate what would happen. The thought of what it would mean to this country, to the world in general, is way too apocalyptic.

 

[mold]

civil war and secession talk is psyops to make people do things other than participate in ordinary politics

 

[Feline Supremacist]

civil war and secession talk is psyops to make people do things other than participate in ordinary politics

I've seen stable and well off countries erupt into civil war; nobody thinks it will happen but then it does. Even the Ukraine/Russian conflict took everyone by surprise; there are videos of people saying "Nah, won't happen" right up until the moment the first tanks rolled over the border..

 

[(‿ˠ‿)]

I love this because it hammers that the INCEL LARPER here has never worked a day in the production or even knows what we do there.

So I have done everything from farm work, assembly work, and machine tender. This was before I went into white-collar work. So i have seen the entire line and what goes into modern production. From the small 5-man machine shops getting new machines to a massive 1000 having to get an entire overhaul of the machine cells. I have seen it all, so i also know how things are done. If you do anything complex, then building it yourself tends to be the slow option.



You will need to make Bomb Tanks and everything else.
Your little self-made AR-15 is not going to do SHIT vs a tank or stop a drone from bombing your ass. We have seen that drones will be a major problem from now on. So how will you create a system to stop them and get a replacement for defenses against them?

You will need programming, chips, electronics, and a fuck ton of things to get this working. Yes, you can make a lot of this yourself, but can you make enough and fast enough? while your industrial bases are getting missle struck.



Europe, Mexico, Canada, Korea, Japan, and so on. All these countries have a fuck ton of people with the right skills.
Now i get it that you have never spoken with another human being, and you a living the incel basement lifestyle, but why would they have a skill shortage for anything?

The big problem is fielding a modern advanced army and supplying it. Do the Red states have a strong enough navy to blockade the blue states or vice versa? Because if not, then this war will be about who has the best friends willing to send them goods and gear to support their side of the war.
Whoever controls imports will WIN.

the really weird thing about your argument is that you seem to assume that a parallel society and industry needs to be raised in order to draw a line in the sand, that newly built redneck F-15s need to take off to fight the existing F-15s controlled by the bugmen, or else they can just be used with impunity. as many other people have pointed out, using those weapons here is not like using them in Afghanistan. Nor would a current civil war be like the last civil war, where the technological level was "most people grew food and walked everywhere and shit in holes in the ground." In 1863 the country could fracture and both halves could remain fairly self-sufficient because bleeding-edge tech was the the double expansion steam engine and you could make due without it, not so much now, and that goes both ways HARD. Everything is now so interconnected, and modern people so risk-adverse, that a disease whose primary victims were the elderly already on death's door just brought society to a screeching halt for two years. You actually think american civil war wouldn't be far worse, causing the self-immolation of the nation, and by extension the rest of the world? Wow.

The results of turning military weapons against US citizens would be near-instant economic and political suicide. This country is barely being kept afloat by already-malfunctioning JIT supply lines that could totally collapse if things got worse, the conspicuous consumption of goods and services made too expensive by inflation and paid for with credit and QE, and the fragile assumption this unsustainable model will continue to be sustainable because the US has always been stable and reliable in the worst of times. If an actual shooting war starts with F-15s dropping JDAMs into populated areas? It will instantly shatter that illusion and set off a cascade of economic disaster. There's also going to be massive collateral damage that will weaken the blue public's appetite for war unless they're complete and total sociopaths like you, just like in every other conflict that involves dropping bombs, but this time it's going to be much harder to ignore when it's happening 12 miles away and any bad intel could mean your family is next.

The economy is so fragile that most market indexes are down 14-18% ytd simply because the fed has raised interest rates to a whopping 2.5% and that alone significantly affects future growth projections, imagine the utter implosion that would follow the disruption caused by civil war. Inflation is already around 8.6%, and that's extremely optimistic considering they've long been cooking those books to make things look better than things are. It's more like 14% if you go by the more realistic statistical models from 80s, and regardless it would utterly spiral out of control if goods get even harder to obtain or the government has to print more money to cover the inevitable increased costs and tax shortfalls of a civil war. Foreign investors are instantly going to get cold feet, and half the country is of course not going to eagerly invest in a system that wants to dronestrike them and the other half will get real nervous about throwing money into markets after they inevitably eat shit. The housing market is starting to look shaky now, and would definitely tank in open conflict, because who's going to continue to buy a 1986 ranch home for 400k as everything figuratively (or literally) burns down around them? Any public official that has majority control of the government is going to do everything they can to avoid conflict, because they know that they're just going to be king of the ashes if they win. Skirmishes and guerilla warfare could destabilize the nation without much risk, or is the government just going go insane and blow up every car they see near public infrastructure?

and before you also accuse me of being some incel larper who's never worked in my life, my powerleveling boomer ass has made a career out of aerospace and defense. I've built 15s, 18s, and 35s in the past and now I'm contracting elsewhere in the industry. It's true that the industry to create weapons is almost always located in urban areas and controlled by urbanites. It's also almost universally true that like 80% of the workforce that actually makes this stuff are conservatives who commute in from the suburbs and rural areas, and a war against them would ironically disrupt the new supply of munitions and maintainers. Is the national guard going to march these people back on the job and make them produce the things being used to kill them at gunpoint? The military cannot currently meet it's recruitment goals, because just like in manufacturing the people willing to sign up are from red states and they no longer think the country is worth dying for, and it's only gonna get worse. Are tptb gonna shoot themselves in the foot even harder by reinstating the draft, so they have an angry force of citizens held at gunpoint so they can hold other angry production workers at gunpoint?

Most urbanites seem to see production work as below them, and for those that don't, they usually seem to enter the industry behind the curve. Seems like most never had a need to develop fabrication skills or mechanical aptitude to make ends meet, unlike poor hicks. If even a fraction of the conservative workers left the program I'm currently working on it would grind to a halt, skilled manufacturing is full of positions that you cannot quickly replace and defense is even worse because so many positions require a security clearance. You can't even legally replace those positions with foreign nationals, assuming they'd even send them to help us when their own industries are also struggling to fill their positions. Why would they hurt themselves to prop us up when most of the world quietly resents us, and wishes we'd get knocked off the perch to their benefit? You're making a lot of dumb assumptions for someone acting so smug, lmao

Anyway it seems obvious to most sane people that you cannot drop bombs on the opposition labor force that feeds everyone, or actually builds the things that keep this country running, and not expect to go down in history as a retard who failed at their job as a diplomat and won anything but the most pyrrhic of victories. Lincoln came out the civil war looking good because one of the main issues of contention was morally reprehensible, the conflict's battle lines were usually clearly drawn and innocent civilians weren't being killed with Hellfires from murder robots, and he became a martyr which always instantly gives you like +10 to rep. now imagine how history would look back at the people who ordered AGM-65s fired at main street all to ultimately enforce pointless wedge bullshit like tranny bathroom mandates and bans on pistol braces, you'd have to be insane to think they're going to be celebrated instead of condemned as the ones who finally caused the collapse of american dominance

 

[Getting tard comed]

I've seen stable and well off countries erupt into civil war; nobody thinks it will happen but then it does. Even the Ukraine/Russian conflict took everyone by surprise; there are videos of people saying "Nah, won't happen" right up until the moment the first tanks rolled over the border..

I am on the record of saying it wouldn't happen several times on this forum. Legit thought it was just posturing.

You never know when SHTF until it does.