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BONE_Buddy said:
Yeah, not only does that number not surprise me, it wouldn't surprise me if it was higher. I hear that a bunch got smuggled/bought their way out, but nevertheless it would justify that $100 Million "humanitarian" payment we gave to the Taliban as well. There is just no way we got anywhere close to everyone out, even those who were based in Kabul had a really hard time. And these fuckers want to tell me that aid workers in ultra-rural fucking middle of nowhere Afghanistan made it out!

I fail to mention the discrepancy between pre-panic evacuation start numbers and post-panic evacuation start, which raises more than a few eyebrows.

I was real steaming mad at the time it was going on, and as so many of my buddies have told me, a drunk PFC could have done a better job. Quite frankly I am still mad, but the world "moved on".
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There are some Pakistani youtubers doing gun reviews with all that weaponry left behind.
 
MrJokerRager said:
There are some Pakistani youtubers doing gun reviews with all that weaponry left behind.
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I can only imagine they must envy the excess the Americans have, considering they could write off all that equipment and still keep trucking like it's a win.
 
Kane Lives said:
I can only imagine they must envy the excess the Americans have, considering they could write off all that equipment and still keep trucking like it's a win.
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Well, it's not like it's the government that paid for it. It was just the unwashed plebs paying for it with their tax money and blood.
 
Kane Lives said:
I can only imagine they must envy the excess the Americans have, considering they could write off all that equipment and still keep trucking like it's a win.
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There were also the pallets of cash. Like so much cash that they could fill every pot hole in my city with the physical cash bricks and still have left over.
 
pwnest injun said:
There were also the pallets of cash. Like so much cash that they could fill every pot hole in my city with the physical cash bricks and still have left over.
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Why are you talking like that money would ever go anywhere in American infrastructure besides politician's pockets?
 
AnotherPleb said:
Why are you talking like that money would ever go anywhere in American infrastructure besides politician's pockets?
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Well even if it were in their pockets we could still fill the potholes if we...wait no that's in minecraft sorry.
 
Oats12345 said:
True. Do you know that Fraiser was ment to be a bleeding heart Democrat in the show and we all know that Kelsy Grammer is a Republican in real life. I guess certain actors are able to separate themselves form their characters beliefs.
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Stoneheart is right. Frasier was a send up of Democrats now that I think about it. Every episode was Frasier trying to move up in society by lying or pretending to be something he wasn't only to be smacked down again. That the elites were just as fucked up as the pub Frasier left in "Cheers."

Really, he should have just stayed at that pub.
thx1138 said:
"We're pulling out in 1 hour, here's a crate of thermite, go nuts."

WHY WAS THIS NOT THE NUMBER FUCKING ONE ORDER GIVEN AT MILITARY INSTALLATIONS AUGUST 16TH. WHY. GOD. F UCKING. DAMMIT.
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Axios has a report that a lot of stuff hadn't been decided by August 15th. Like, Biden's administration was completely and utterly unprepared for the Taliban to roll in Kabul like they never left.

Granted 20 odd years and "emergency pull out" should be set in stone but apparently not.
 
Kuritan Deplorable said:
Hyperfixation, to the expense of other important matters. Seething rage at anything and anyone that contradicts them and proves them wrong. Ineffectual gaslighting, handicapped by their own inability to keep a narrative straight. Complete inability to read a room or understand the people. A near fanatical obsession with 'science' and stats to try and explain people and the world instead of observing and picking up cues like a normal person. Doubling down on things that make people go what the fuck, on the vain hope that if they power through it will make sense in the end.

Guys, is the Democratic Establishment Autistic?
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it's more arrogance from people who think they are the smartest people in the room, let alone the nation, combined with a notion of 'knowing what's best for everyone", a combination of Scarlet O'Hara-esque "I'll think about it tomorrow"ism and 5D chess involving putting off solving issues needing solving so they can use the carrot of fixing them to keep voter turn-out high (see student loan debt forgiveness), and a sense of "never again!"ism born out of how far the Democrats fell under Bush II after the Clinton years and how 9-11 truly made it so that the GOP was on the brink of a permanent super-majority.

Stoneheart said:
have you seen the show? they are making fun of democrats the whole time.
Fraiser is pathetic.
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Not exactly.

While Fraiser DOES spoof and mock the liberal elites, the show itself hinges a lot on a long game character growth arc started on Cheers. That Fraiser began his existence as a snooty liberal elite who none the less, ends up via Diane hanging out with a bunch of blue collar types who under normal circumstances he would NEVER hang out with and over the course of Cheers, he manages to remove the stick firmly wedged up his ass and become less of a snob and more willing to treat the poor and middle class types as equals and not be snot nosed about it, to the point that he (post-spin off retcon) told everyone his dad was dead and that he had no siblings.

This transfers over to Fraiser proper, where Fraiser's still part of the liberal elite but is far more humble and willing to treat poor and working class folks like Roz, Daphney, etc like equals and actually be friends with them. Along with reconciling with his blue collar police officer father who pre-Cheers Fraiser disowned to the point of telling people he was dead.

Opposite him is Niles, who in terms of dynamics, is what Fraiser was when we were first introduced to him and would have become had he never met Diane, Sam, etc. Snobby, snotty, dislike poor people, and living (unhappily) with his wife among the liberal elites of Seattle.

The dynamic of the brothers is that Fraiser's grown as a person and becoming the catalyst of growth for Niles, especially since it's through Fraiser that Niles meets Daphney, a poor Scottish immigrant who is working as a live in nurse for their dad, who shakes Niles up inside and ultimately leads him to end his loveless nightmare marriage with Maris and facilitates Niles's growth as a human being.
 
MirrorNoir said:
it's more arrogance from people who think they are the smartest people in the room, let alone the nation, combined with a notion of 'knowing what's best for everyone", a combination of Scarlet O'Hara-esque "I'll think about it tomorrow"ism and 5D chess involving putting off solving issues needing solving so they can use the carrot of fixing them to keep voter turn-out high (see student loan debt forgiveness), and a sense of "never again!"ism born out of how far the Democrats fell under Bush II after the Clinton years and how 9-11 truly made it so that the GOP was on the brink of a permanent super-majority.
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Ok, so here is what I don't get, nobody likes the "smartest guy in the room", not to mention that this notion also morphs into the "holier than thou" self-righteous virtuosity that seems to be associated with the democrats.

I get that you gotta send the message of standing for the right and just causes and all that jazz, but is the democrat's bubble so thick that they can't see how offputting and unpleaseant they come across to anyone else looking from the outside, regardless of what polices or political inclinations people might have?

I mean, fuck, even their more recent charismatic leaders like Obama or even AOC can barely disguise their contempt for the people whenever they don't get a reaction they expect, a attitude of "Why won't these idiots just LISTEN TO ME!" that people do pick up behind their smiles and glass eyed looks.

Was Bill Clinton the last person on the democratic party that knew how to act like a human being? And not some philosopher king descended from the heavens to guide us to Xanadu or some shit.

Because objectvely, the Democrats shouldn't be losing elections, at all. They dominate the mass culture, the social medias and most of the press, and the grip they have on these is very strong, so, again, why can't they grasp the simple notion that no one likes this "we know better whats best" attitude and just adress the public as if they were their equals, and not some cattle that is about to get "educated", or if they have all the solution for all the problem, and all people have to do is just trust "their betters", when said "betters" know nothing about their lives.

I can't remeber where i've got it, and google isn't helping (and it was in portuguese), but once I've read that "politics is the art to shake hands and look people in the eye", and the meaning is simple, you gotta be one of the people to win them over, and a fucking billionaire weirdo with a crazy comb over managed to do that, how come there isn't a single leader on the democratic party that can do that?
 
Bolo said:
Because objectvely, the Democrats shouldn't be losing elections, at all. They dominate the mass culture, the social medias and most of the press, and the grip they have on these is very strong, so, again, why can't they grasp the simple notion that no one likes this "we know better whats best" attitude and just adress the public as if they were their equals, and not some cattle that is about to get "educated", or if they have all the solution for all the problem, and all people have to do is just trust "their betters", when said "betters" know nothing about their lives.
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It's just what they believe. It's not the goal to give you what you want or what you think is best for you. They're going to give you what they think is best for them and you. We're the ones that are wrong/stupid/uneducated/unreasonable/illogical for not being receptive to the message.
 
Kuritan Deplorable said:
Hyperfixation, to the expense of other important matters. Seething rage at anything and anyone that contradicts them and proves them wrong. Ineffectual gaslighting, handicapped by their own inability to keep a narrative straight. Complete inability to read a room or understand the people. A near fanatical obsession with 'science' and stats to try and explain people and the world instead of observing and picking up cues like a normal person. Doubling down on things that make people go what the fuck, on the vain hope that if they power through it will make sense in the end.

Guys, is the Democratic Establishment Autistic?
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Democrats are wordcels, Republicans are shape-rotators.
 
thx1138 said:
"We're pulling out in 1 hour, here's a crate of thermite, go nuts."

WHY WAS THIS NOT THE NUMBER FUCKING ONE ORDER GIVEN AT MILITARY INSTALLATIONS AUGUST 16TH. WHY. GOD. F UCKING. DAMMIT.
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I have a tinfoil idea that the reason why US Marines and soldiers were forced to clean up Hamid Karzai Airport and not scuttle everything was due to some secret agreement with the Taliban and the Biden Administration to keep them from swarming the Airport and causing mayhem in exchange for any military equipment left behind. I wouldn't be surprised if there was some Iran Contra tier dealings where the Taliban are going to get spare parts and ammunition in exchange for not lynching Americans. Fuck I remember being told in bootcamp to burn everything with JP8 if we needed to abandon military equipment.
 
MG-34 said:
I have a tinfoil idea that the reason why US Marines and soldiers were forced to clean up Hamid Karzai Airport and not scuttle everything was due to some secret agreement with the Taliban and the Biden Administration to keep them from swarming the Airport and causing mayhem in exchange for any military equipment left behind. I wouldn't be surprised if there was some Iran Contra tier dealings where the Taliban are going to get spare parts and ammunition in exchange for not lynching Americans. Fuck I remember being told in bootcamp to burn everything with JP8 if we needed to abandon military equipment.
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Theory I heard was that this is in exchange for cockblocking China's efforts in Central Asia.
 
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