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US is not a democracy – Putin​

The US has become a global laughing stock by criticizing democratic processes in other nations while suppressing a presidential candidate in its own election, Russian leader Vladimir Putin has claimed.

Speaking to journalists in Moscow early on Monday morning, shortly after preliminary results indicated he would be reelected with 87% of the vote in the Russian presidential election, Putin stated that the “whole world is laughing at what is happening” in the US.

“We are behaving with more restraint than their opponents in other countries, but this is just a catastrophe, not a democracy – that’s what it is,” the Russian leader added.

Putin claimed that the current US administration is using all its resources to attack a candidate for this year’s presidential election, seemingly referring to Donald Trump. The former US leader is facing a litany of lawsuits despite being the presumptive Republican nominee for the vote in November.

In a pre-election interview earlier this week, Putin insisted that Russia does not meddle in foreign elections and will work with any elected US president.

“I think it’s obvious to everyone that the American political system cannot claim to be democratic in any sense of the word,” he said in an interview with journalist Dmitry Kiselyov. Putin refused to comment further on the current presidential campaign in the US, but described the atmosphere as becoming “increasingly uncivilized.”

 

[Night Crawler]

Putin is right. The US isn't a democracy it's a constitutional republic with democratic principles. Not a pure democracy. The US has no business criticizing any other countries elections after what happened in 2020. It really didn't before that either. But definitely not after 2020. You can throw the way they have treated Trump in there as well. With the Joe Biden white house directly interfering in the election in multiple different ways. There is nothing democratic about what the US is doing now with Trump.

But on the other hand, Russia isn't any better. Yeah, they had an election and only Putin was on the ballot. They just killed one of his rivals over there. I'm sure the Democrats would love to do that to Trump but they haven't gone that far. As bad as things are over here Russia is still much worse in its own special ways. Nigger tier levels of corruption being one of them.

 

[Garamok]

Only because you are intimately familiar with one poison while the other one is just hypothetical abstraction to you. A very cozy opinion to have, since you weren't drafted into Russia's war yourself, you can cheer them on without worrying about losing a family member or anything.

Easy to say when you're not the one being poisoned or thrown out the window for what you thought, said or did.

I wonder what our Russian farmers (who live in Russia and didn't grow up in a Western country) have to say

Maybe Americans and Europeans are still brainwashed into loving their tranny worshipping country, I'm definitely disillusioned. This whole tranny thing and leftist stuff will only get worse. Germans are currently working on getting the right wing party AfD banned (https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/politik/deutschland/afd-verbot-spd-klausurtagung-demokratie-100.html). SPD is the social party and they're currently in power with other social parties. After they ban the AfD, there won't be a right wing party in Germany. You can't tell me that is better than living under Putin.

Here it's in English: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68029232

 

[Justa Grata Honoria]

I am going to say this in Russia you need to show yourself in person with id to vote and counting doesn't take more than day . Unlike some countries.Just saying

 

[Agamemnon Busmalis]

I wonder what our Russian farmers (who live in Russia and didn't grow up in a Western country) have to say

If they're not on a VPN they'd better only say what the state wants them to say. Otherwise a future on the frontlines of the Donbas is in the cards.

Maybe Americans and Europeans are still brainwashed into loving their tranny worshipping country, I'm definitely disillusioned. This whole tranny thing and leftist stuff will only get worse. Germans are currently working on getting the right wing party AfD banned (https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/politik/deutschland/afd-verbot-spd-klausurtagung-demokratie-100.html). SPD is the social party and they're currently in power with other social parties. After they ban the AfD, there won't be a right wing party in Germany. You can't tell me that is better than living under Putin.

So why don't you immigrate to Russia then? It's weird nobody ever does that despite those same people telling us how much better and superior to the West it is in every single way.

It's because deep down they know it's not better at all, in fact it's infinitely worse in every way that matters, and they are just desperate for a savior to swoop in and solve all of the things in the West they don't like. Not really any different from the Communist China simps, honestly.

 

[Kankichi Ryotsu]

I'm so tired of the democracy buzzword. It's a political system like any other, but people put it on a pedestal as if it were the epitome of human civilization. The reality is that it's just another way the oligarchs legitimize themselves, there's nothing to be proud of as a democrat.

 

[Coptakhenaten]

Even the more radically left wing founding fathers like Jefferson were Democratic Republicans, but not Democrats. Not a single state of the union speech from any of the founding fathers mentions democracy, and the federalist papers outright savages democracy. The president was not supposed to be voted by popular vote, the senate neither, nor was universal suffrage a thing to be suggested. These safeguards are good things, because as it has been proven a popular state will willingly throw away all liberties and human dignity if the masses are afraid. There is no strong captain at the helm, it's a bunch of petulant manbabies.

"Our Democracy" is not unique from a People's Republic or Volksgemeinschaft. The will of the people or workers or whatever demographic and all altruistic/humanistic concepts of government needs to end. Humans aren't supreme, human worship of any form is cancer. Democracy is cancer.

 

[Agamemnon Busmalis]

I'm so tired of the democracy buzzword. It's a political system like any other, but people put it on a pedestal as if it were the epitome of human civilization. The reality is that it's just another way the oligarchs legitimize themselves, there's nothing to be proud of as a democrat.

That's because there's an underlying ideology that believes liberal democracy is the epitome of human civilization. There was a book by Francis Fukuyama written a little more than 30 years ago called "The End of History" that makes this exact argument.

Of course nobody predicting the end of history in 1992 expected a non-democratic great power like China to rise to the level of influence it did in the ensuing decades. Back then, they were barely out of the bicycles and Mao suits era and their economy was maybe the size of Florida's.

I am going to say this in Russia you need to show yourself in person with id to vote and counting doesn't take more than day . Unlike some countries. Just saying

It's pretty easy to count the votes in one day when the election results are predetermined.

That being said there's no excuse why we can't hold elections without these delays and issues. India does it successfully with an electorate probably twice the size of the total US population.

 

[Lone MacReady II]

Word to Seth Rich.

And General Patton, and Kennedy...

That's because there's an underlying ideology that believes liberal democracy is the epitome of human civilization. There was a book by Francis Fukuyama written a little more than 30 years ago called "The End of History" that makes this exact argument.

Of course nobody predicting the end of history in 1992 expected a non-democratic great power like China to rise to the level of influence it did in the ensuing decades. Back then, they were barely out of the bicycles and Mao suits era and their economy was maybe the size of Florida's.

You can thank Americanda's unelected Banker owners for giving China the life it has now, including all our factories...

I wonder what our Russian farmers (who live in Russia and didn't grow up in a Western country) have to say

Maybe Americans and Europeans are still brainwashed into loving their tranny worshipping country, I'm definitely disillusioned. This whole tranny thing and leftist stuff will only get worse. America's client state puppets are currently working on getting the right wing party AfD banned (https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/politik/deutschland/afd-verbot-spd-klausurtagung-demokratie-100.html). SPD is the social party and they're currently in power with other social parties. After they ban the AfD, there won't be a right wing party in Occupied Germany. You can't tell me that is better than living under Putin.

Here it's in English: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68029232

FIFY.

 

[Garamok]

I am going to say this in Russia you need to show yourself in person with id to vote and counting doesn't take more than day . Unlike some countries.Just saying

In Central Europe it's similar: but we also have voting via mail where the government sends you the ballot per mail and you have time to send it until the voting day and you can do it even if you live outside of the country but still have the citizenship. And those take a few days longer because it takes a while until all the mail ballots arrive.

If they're not on a VPN they'd better only say what the state wants them to say. Otherwise a future on the frontlines of the Donbas is in the cards.

@IKOL what's your take on this?

So why don't you immigrate to Russia then? It's weird nobody ever does that despite those same people telling us how much better and superior to the West it is in every single way.

Most likely because deep down they know it's not better at all, in fact it's infinitely worse, and are just desperate for some savior to swoop in and solve all of the things in the West they don't like.

Well, you know, some people are born with family members who they want to see and take care of. Even if flying back and forth directly was possible, it would still cost a shit ton of money and unless you're filthy rich, you would only be able to make that trip maybe 3 times a year. You'd have to stay for a few days to make the trip worth the travel time. I can't imagine anyone who would enjoy an 11 hour flight only to spend a few hours with their family and then have to fly back home 11 hours.... sounds awful.

 

[Agamemnon Busmalis]

Well, you know, some people are born with family members who they want to see and take care of. Even if flying back and forth directly was possible, it would still cost a shit ton of money and unless you're filthy rich, you would only be able to make that trip maybe 3 times a year. You'd have to stay for a few days to make the trip worth the travel time. I can't imagine anyone who would enjoy an 11 hour flight only to spend a few hours with their family and then have to fly back home 11 hours.... sounds awful.

100% agree, family is always a barrier to emigration unless you have little or nothing to lose. It's very tough going to a completely new country with a distinct language and culture without family and friends as a support network.

However, if you seriously believe your country is that broken and another country is so much better and full of opportunities you'd do everything and anything to immigrate there and bring your family with you. Cost would not be an issue, you'd work like a dog and scrape and save every penny to make it possible. Tens of millions of Europeans did just that emigrating to the Americas in the 19th century.

Unless those family members don't want to go to Russia, which doesn't make any sense given the Third Rome is a faultless, based utopia in every single way. Must need more exposure to Tucker Carlson fondling bread to encourage properly guided thinking.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

Surprised he only gave himself 83% of the vote, that's magnanimous.

Putin wins with 51%: "He's clearly trying to make it look close so people don't suspect anything."

Putin wins with 99%: "Well of course he got 99%, he rigged it."

Putin wins with 80%: "Surprised he didn't rig it harder."

 

[Agamemnon Busmalis]

Putin wins with 51%: "He's clearly trying to make it look close so people don't suspect anything."

Putin wins with 99%: "Well of course he got 99%, he rigged it."

Putin wins with 80%: "Surprised he didn't rig it harder."

Honestly, I have never doubted for a second Putin won the elections through 2012 fair and square. He was genuinely popular and completely transformed Russia's economic and social landscape bringing it out of the chaos of the 1990s into a prolonged period of prosperity.

Why he decided to stop doing what was working spectacularly and go off on these disastrous wars instead is just insane to me. Imagine if the money and resources pissed away on this war in Ukraine had been invested in Russian infrastructure or manufacturing, or to provide more tax incentives and subsidies for skilled immigrants and larger families?

You could ask the same questions about the Iraq War here in the US, for that matter.

 

[dustbuster]

Putin is wrong, and I say this sadly.

The US started as a representative republic.
Then they started allowing niggers and women to vote, and allowed popular election of senators, vastly diluting state power.
After that, they started popularly electing JUDGES.
After that, the vast plundering of the public coffers began and has been accelerating since, along with tyrannical micro-management "for our own good" and "by popular will"

The united states may not be all the way there, but it has every socio-political illness brought on by democracy.

The US is a democracy.

 

[Night Crawler]

I am going to say this in Russia you need to show yourself in person with id to vote and counting doesn't take more than day . Unlike some countries.Just saying

With only one choice on the ballot voting is a waste of time.

 

[TheDarknessGrows]

He's right, the USA is not a democracy. It's a constitutional republic (or an oligarchy, depending on who you speak with.)

The founding fathers were saying this centuries ago. But keep saying it because it pisses off the traitors in our government.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

So why don't you immigrate to Russia then? It's weird nobody ever does that despite those same people telling us how much better and superior to the West it is in every single way.

It's because deep down they know it's not better at all, in fact it's infinitely worse in every way that matters, and they are just desperate for a savior to swoop in and solve all of the things in the West they don't like. Not really any different from the Communist China simps, honestly.

Russia to the right, is like Canada to leftists - A supposed promised land that they'll not live in even for a million dollars because it's cold, full of middle easterns, and has shit welfare and health system.

 

[Harbinger of Kali Yuga]

I am going to say this in Russia you need to show yourself in person with id to vote and counting doesn't take more than day . Unlike some countries.Just saying

Imagine thinking this was an insightful comment when discussing Russia's entirely rigged election. The election may be rigged, but at least the count takes less than a day.

 

[Justa Grata Honoria]

Imagine thinking this was an insightful comment when discussing Russia's entirely rigged election. The election may be rigged, but at least the count takes less than a day.

You know i would agree with you if he was do nothing guy but here are some stats why the russians prefer him over dunno everybody else



If anyone can correct this with appropriate stats i would greatly appreciate this

Btw fun fact Russia has 90+ per cent home ownership unlike some other countries who you can't afford a shoebox or an acre of land

 

[Da Grim Reaper]

America is a democracy

Can Americans vote for a third party, or even independent?
It doesn't seem that democratic to only have the same two parties exchanging power over and over again, while they intentionally leave problems unsolved as a way to keep the people desperate and voting.

 

[AgendaPoster]

Well, he's correct. I think oligarchy is best describing it. Of course, I am sure Putin would love us to believe Russia is democratic. And here's the main issue with how democracy is thrown around - each time you hear both Putin or Biden say it, they mean Liberal Democracy. But democracy can be illiberal. Putin might actually have a democratic illiberal Russia in his hands. Since it's so closed, it's hard to extract true poll numbers and the amount of support, and since opposition is violently repressed, it makes it lean quite hard into an autocracy/oligarchy too.
All propaganda comes from a core of truth, and yeah, the US and its allies are definitely not democratic.