Disaster US Forces in Niger Ambushed, Killed - Three dead, two injured

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http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/10/04/us-forces-ambushed-in-niger-officials-say.html

Three U.S. Army Special Forces soldiers were killed and two others were wounded Wednesday in an ambush in the west African country of Niger.

U.S. Africa Command confirmed that a joint patrol of Green Berets and Nigerien soliders was attacked in the southwestern part of Niger, near the border with Mali. Officials told Fox News that between eight and 10 troops were part of the patrol.

Officials told the Associated Press that the commandos were likely attacked by Al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb.

The officials added that the two wounded U.S. soldiers were taken to Niamey, the capital, and are in stable condition.
 
Please no fucking Vietnam / Gulf War part XXXCWC in a Godless hellhole like Niger. Please, Trump, no.
 
Why the fuck are we in Niger? Obama era peacekeeping bullshit?

Even drones are worth too much to deal with Africa.
 
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army Green Berets were helping to train African armed forces to resist Al-Qaeda attacks, as they are both vulnerable and poor; ripe for radicalization. as many central African countries are Muslim or Christian (not so much Catholic), ideological violence is something many nations want to nip in the bud before it takes root. Africa already has an ethnic violence problem; not to mention economic or franchise warfare among each other. adding significant global religions to the conflict would be pretty bad.

for those that aren't aware, Green Berets are US Special Forces that specialize in training armies. the Montagnards are a recent prominent example, as are various high level recon and counter insurgency operations.
 
army Green Berets were helping to train African armed forces to resist Al-Qaeda attacks, as they are both vulnerable and poor; ripe for radicalization. as many central African countries are Muslim or Christian (not so much Catholic), ideological violence is something many nations want to nip in the bud before it takes root. Africa already has an ethnic violence problem; not to mention economic or franchise warfare among each other. adding significant global religions to the conflict would be pretty bad.

for those that aren't aware, Green Berets are US Special Forces that specialize in training armies. the Montagnards are a recent prominent example, as are various high level recon and counter insurgency operations.
If they were good people to start with they would reject Al-Qaeda. As almost any religion, culture, creed, would point out how disgusting their extremism is.

If you had to send 10 cops to my house, to tell me not to put my dick in a blender, and I shot some of them. Who's the bad guy? Let the guy put his cock in the blender.
 
If they were good people to start with they would reject Al-Qaeda. As almost any religion, culture, creed, would point out how disgusting their extremism is.

If you had to send 10 cops to my house, to tell me not to put my dick in a blender, and I shot some of them. Who's the bad guy? Let the guy put his cock in the blender.
Yeah, I don't know what we're doing in Niger. Not just from a non-interventionist standpoint, but Niger is firmly in the current French sphere of influence in Africa (aka Françafrique). Usually the French are pretty good about handling security issues in their old West African stomping grounds, and the only time they ask USA for backup is when they need air support or logistical support. The French army should be training these people of Niger, not USA.
 
army Green Berets were helping to train African armed forces to resist Al-Qaeda attacks

Well gee I hope these African armed forces don't use their training in the wrong way years after like how Al-Qaeda was trained by other special forces and intelligence agencies.

How about we let them kill each other instead of betting on which faction is better, giving them guns and training, and hoping our team wins like it's a sports game?

US interests are not in Niger or anywhere across the world. They are in the USA. Stop training and giving guns to fucking everyone.
 
US interests are not in Niger or anywhere across the world. They are in the USA. Stop training and giving guns to fucking everyone.
like it or not, the US effectively controls the planet, and has inherited the world as it's sole domain to exercise military power more or less without significant challenge other than public relations or monetary cost. Niger, Ghana, Benin, and many other African countries have been historically quite amenable to US Foreign Aid, and making friends with governments and people already sympathetic to us generally helps. likewise we don't really have any specific arms deals other than some select items to select nations. mostly spare parts or logistical/civil aid (medicine, machinery).

would you rather have them be spurned by the US, and then China, North Korea, or some other nation indoctrinate their cadre with possible anti-US sentiment? it's a a chance that's low cost that most are willing to make. unlike Arabs or the ME, Africans largely integrate very well and are mostly good people, compatible with western values.
 
and making friends with governments and people already sympathetic to us generally helps

I'd rather my tax dollars not be spent to train foreign armies and to bribe public officials with millions in "foreign aid" to run foreign governments via controlling the heads of state of foreign government. Other governments have the right to self determination without Americans coming in and telling them exactly how to run their countries, for the benefit of the USA to control more and more power.

I don't really care if Russia or any other entity trains an army or funds anti-American sentiment in Niger. If there becomes a hugely popular anti-American sentiment in Niger, simply tell Americans not to go to Niger because they'll kill you for being American. I don't care what happens in Niger. It doesn't affect America. It does not threaten American lives if Al-Qaeda kills some African military.

It is not our responsibility, our duty, or even our place to control conflicts half the world away.

It doesn't benefit me or the American people to run a shadow government controlling Niger, funding them, and training their military. It benefits the military industrial complex which seeks to control the entire worlds' governments.

Africans largely integrate very well and are mostly good people, compatible with western values.

I think Europe would disagree right about now. And I don't care about Africans integrating: Africans can live their own lives and run their own governments. Why do we have to mold them in our image? It's all the lust for power over as many governments and nations as possible.
 
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Other governments have the right to self determination without Americans coming in and telling them exactly how to run their countries, for the benefit of the USA to control more and more power.

It is not our responsibility, our duty, or even our place to control conflicts half the world away.

It doesn't benefit me or the American people to run a shadow government controlling Niger, funding them, and training their military. It benefits the military industrial complex which seeks to control the entire worlds' governments.
that's a bit of an overly simplified view of why US involvement to ameliorate anti-US sentiment is generally a good thing. it harms American interests if Boko Haram and Al-Qaeda manage to have an unstable African state with enough resources to secure a power base and declare sovereignty. likewise it would be quite a problem for people that aren't Muslims - like the vast majority of the African population (Islam is a North African thing, and population is far less). there more to it than this - i've spent some time in Africa doing all sorts of work, mostly security related. i'd be pretty sad if Accra or Kumasi got sacked and destroyed by extremists when the country has really come through and made all sort of strides in development.

I think Europe would disagree right about now.
Europe is not the US. other than the couple odd ball muslim immigrants, look at the large communities of Africans here in the US - they aspire, much like Asian immigrants, for something greater, largely because it takes a significant amount of success to complete immigration from Africa to the US.

perhaps try to volunteer overseas with an NGO to understand why it's generally a good thing. i can suggest some if you like.
 
it harms American interests if Boko Haram and Al-Qaeda manage to have an unstable African state

Al Qaeda is only as powerful and influential as it is today because its roots began at receiving US support and training from our military. We're solving the problem of having militias trained by the US going rogue, by training more vague elements who we hope don't turn out the same way. It doesn't seem very efficient to me.

Europe is not the US. other than the couple odd ball muslim immigrants, look at the large communities of Africans here in the US - they aspire, much like Asian immigrants, for something greater, largely because it takes a significant amount of success to complete immigration from Africa to the US.

That is because the USA has strict immigration controls, unlike Europe currently. While Africans flood into Europe and don't integrate, I would say that the average African does not integrate well into European or North American society. Just because the very few that did come to the USA have integrated somewhat, does not mean that it's the same for the vast majority of Africans.

What is stopping the groups the USA is currently training from becoming extremists? What's stopping this Niger army from becoming the next Boko Haram after Boko Haram is taken out?

The USA needs to wage its own wars instead of funding and supporting these militias using proxy wars because we cannot control these groups for decades after we pull out of their countries. It is a flawed strategy.

The instability of these countries are caused by one thing: violent mentalities and scarcity. Just because you stop Boko Haram or Al Qaeda, you will not end the centuries old problems of these countries have. You have to solve the root problem to the cause of this violence instead of giving one side more guns to quell the violence.
 
Al Qaeda is only as powerful and influential as it is today because its roots began at receiving US support and training from our military. We're solving the problem of having militias trained by the US going rogue, by training more vague elements who we hope don't turn out the same way. It doesn't seem very efficient to me.
Al-Qaeda has it's roots in Op Cyclone to utilize local elements to resist Soviet invasion. it was obviously encouraged to not necessarily be anti-US. it rose to prominence with radicalization during the Gulf War, of which i have some first hand experience. the involvement of the US in Iraq and Kuwait was a turning point that began anti-US sentiment. it is a mistake to assume that, barring a crystal ball or a policy of isolation, merely training current allies will always lead to problems in the future. unlike Al Qaeda, we are training organized government forces; not convenient mujahedin.


That is because the USA has strict immigration controls, unlike Europe currently. While Africans flood into Europe and don't integrate, I would say that the average African does not integrate well into European or North American society. Just because the very few that did come to the USA have integrated somewhat, does not mean that it's the same for the vast majority of Africans.
the majority of immigrants into Europe are either compatible (South African, for example) or are from former colonies that have history together (Tunisia, Morroco, Algeria). you'll notice that most of these are North African rather than not - this is an important distinction as North Africa is majority Muslim and in some places is open to radicalization much more readily than other parts of Africa where ethnic violence is much more common than any significant difference in religious or political outlooks.

What is stopping the groups the USA is currently training from becoming extremists? What's stopping this Niger army from becoming the next Boko Haram after Boko Haram is taken out?
the quality of training, and the array of forces against it as well as the stability of the government that mustered the army. once again, there is no magic crystal ball that can detect if whoever we are training will radicalize to attack us later. we can only use the information we have at the present to work with and hope to stem the spread of radicalization that we know of.

The instability of these countries are caused by one thing: violent mentalities and scarcity.
once again, you oversimplify things. in many locations, ethnic tensions are very high because of their long histories of warfare against each other, on top of colonialism introducing significant class disparities that have been grossly magnified over the centuries. Africa has always been a war-torn place, just as much as Europe has been, but whereas Europe has a strong backing of ethnic homogeneity, Africa does not. it is not simply a "violent mentality" problem. violence is a solution to a problem they perceive in the way the world is and that violence is encouraged by both their own culture and their government. in some ways it is self perpetuating, but ultimately to guide it along more constructive routes intervention is needed. already many many parts of Africa have calmed down. regional warlords are losing ground and men to successful, stable governments and states that people migrate to because farming and industry is more profitable and viable than scratching out a living in the sticks where your neighbors could raid your village for its livestock.

once again, i encourage you to read up a bit more on the continent and its history, as well as the current political climate among the states and actors there. it's quite interesting, really.
 
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