US 2022 Mid-Term Election

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This is the opinion of people about the current state of the country, and not one incumbent politician got unseated.
Literally bug people.
 
mindlessobserver said:
The simple truth is I feel this election has cemented the cold civil war theory. I doubt there was much chicanery. People think this because it seems incomprehensible that anyone would vote for the ruling party given its track record of the last few years. Or that they would literally elect a man for Senate who has done absolutely nothing in his life and can't even speak a coherent sentence.

Sad truth is governing fundentals no longer matter. It's all about who supports the tribe of the voters in question. Worse, those tribal lines are now politically delineated along state lines to the point the winner can be declared before a single vote is tabulated.

This will not end well in the long run. But I see no way to stop the March of history. America's leadership class is completely out of touch, and high on its own farts.
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That's the inevitable end result of all democratic systems imo. It's why I'm so anti-politics.
 
They finally called it for Wisconsin? Okay, now I can relax. Hopefully good news out of Nevada and House elections go well.
 
Dr J said:
It's not that people like DeSantis more than him. It's that Trump's enemies (Paul Ryan, Karl Rove, Mitch McConnell, Kevin McCarthy) are lining up behind DeSantis in an effort to destroy him. He takes this really personally because DeSantis was a friend, and Trump is more-or-less responsible for his career. Remember, DeSantis was nobody before he ran for Governor, and he was down in the polls until Trump endorsed him. Because of that endorsement DeSantis was able to pull off a slim .4% win and now he's the best Governor in the country who TROUNCED his opponent second time around.

It is true that Trump has a fragile ego, but to see a popular conservative whose career you helped build turn around and cosy up to Paul Ryan would piss off anybody
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By coincidence, American Thinker posted an article on the subject.
www.americanthinker.com

The Establishment Is Trying to Divide and Conquer MAGA

There are videos making the rounds showing President Trump standing on stage in Miami's pouring rain while imploring Americans to get out and vote. The metaphor is striking. There's Trump, battling the ele...
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November 9, 2022

The Establishment Is Trying to Divide and Conquer MAGA​

By J.B. Shurk

There are videos making the rounds showing President Trump standing on stage in Miami's pouring rain while imploring Americans to get out and vote. The metaphor is striking. There's Trump, battling the elements, lively as ever, refusing to give up, insisting on finishing what he's started. Citizen Free Press appropriately notes that "President Trump is truly a force of nature."

I know that the months ahead will make for some spirited political debate among friends, but I encourage you to cement in your minds this quintessential image of Trump unbroken and unbowed. Whatever else can be said about the man (and there is plenty), he remains the only leader in our times unafraid to stand alone. When other self-proclaimed allies run the other way or look for somewhere safe to weather the approaching storm, Trump stands inside the tempest, demanding that it give up and surrender. That's something that will forever separate him from those who pretend to be him.

It has become normal to deconstruct Trump's public appeal to something as basic as he fights! Yet it is not just that Trump fights; it is why he fights that has attracted such a diverse voting coalition unlike any other political movement today.
Consider the Republican Party's consensus issues before Donald Trump descended the golden escalator and changed everything. By and large, Republican politicians defended the endless wars in Afghanistan and Iraq without question. They ignored the harms of illegal immigration as a taboo issue equated with racism. And they dismissed discussion of revitalizing American industry and manufacturing as unrealistic in a globalist system where cheap slave labor is plentiful overseas.

Republicans touted free trade, strong defense, and conservative values. In practice, however, respect for free trade amounted to enormous international trade deals that often benefited multinational corporations and foreign financial titans at the expense of local American companies and their blue-collar workforces. Military might consisted of waging wars with no discernible end in sight for aims that were frustratingly unclear. And defense of conservative values remained, at best, wishy-washy and often resembled nothing more than a lackadaisical endorsement of the same secular values first practiced by a progressively more radical political left only years before.

Republican Party leaders and their corporate lobbyists essentially manipulated and shamed hardworking, family-oriented, religiously observant, patriotic Americans into believing that respect for "free trade" requires them to sacrifice their jobs and savings; that their love of country requires their families to fight unending and often unwinnable wars; that their humanitarian spirit requires them to welcome millions of foreign nationals pouring through America's lawless, open borders; and that their dedication to morality and virtue paradoxically requires them to abandon truth and embrace the progressives' secular faith.
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TheSaintEaon said:
Trump is perfectly wiling to attack his best ally in the Reddest State because he doesn't like that, according to the media, some people might like DeSantis more than him.
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If Trump had a better strategic grasp, he'd publicly welcome a 2024 primary challenge from DeSantis. As it is, Trump behaves as if he's somehow entitled to the nomination because the Democrats blatantly stole the 2020 election--and please, let's just dispense with the notion they didn't steal the 2020 election. That night I watched a mathematically impossible simultaneous count freeze in several key swing states and knew--like everyone with a brain knew--the fix was in. Let's put that aside.

If Trump publicly welcomes a primary challenge from DeSantis, then it would show voters he's serious about the process and knows GOP presidential candidates aren't anointed. They fight for it. They get down in the mud and the blood and they earn it. Another thing: Trump isn't popular with all Republican voters but many of those with reservations about the man--let's call them not-NeverTrumpers--put aside their dislike and pulled the lever for him in the general election in 2016 and again in 2020. They won't put that dislike aside now. They want a choice. To be honest, I want a choice. I like Ron DeSantis. I like Rand Paul. Let's hear them out.
 

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LeChampion1992 said:
The problem with most of these people is they believe they're oppressing you for your own good. These are the people who will line you up into cattle cars because they think to themselves "I'm doing the right thing these people are evil."
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Don't forget to pull out the CS Lewis quote, extended version.

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.
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E: I'm slow and someone already posted the short version
 
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The GOPe is already saying that Trump announcing next week will cost the GA runoff, which is stupid. Where was the good alternative to Walker in GA from esteemed Kemp and Raffensperger if that was the case? Walker was actually a good choice for GA being a sports icon and being more down to earth, even with his family issues, that is what should have been in other states. Why not look at how messed up the GA elections are run, which Kemp and Raffensperger try and say are super ok now but still seem to have the same issues in the same places.

Really if Desantis wants to really win me over, send his elections people to every state to show "this is how it's done, we'll give it to you for free." Put them on the defense for having shitty elections, make them say they're proud of 3am vote counting. That is what I really hope for if Lake wins, if only to get things to the point where the Supreme Court has to say something, because this shit can't continue. It's pretty thunk provoking that only when it would benefit republicans that the vote time was not extended in AZ last night...
 
Central PA kiwi here. I’m seeing a lot of you piss and moan about us electing “a retard.” Let me remind you racist fascist filth that REPRESENTATION MATTERS!

But, seriously, let me offer my analysis on the subject - I’ll focus on the Fetterman/Oz race since that’s the interesting one.

First off, before you ask, I voted 3rd party, so I was going to lose no matter what, making me (perhaps) a more neutral observer here.

PA is a weird state. Electorally, we’re a “purple” state, and culturally, we’ve been described as “Philly and Pittsburgh with Kentucky in-between” and I don’t think that’s right, exactly - we’re not nearly as Jesusy as the South is - there are some parallels. Historically, the state’s interior has been focused on resource extraction (lumber, coal, nowadays fracking has become huge) and manufacturing (Pittsburgh + a huge number of mill towns along our waterways.) In much of the state, the first day of deer season is an unofficial holiday - we’re big on hunting and fishing here.

Historically, the democrats had a tight partnership with unions. That hasn’t been true for the better part of 50 years, but there are a lot of boomer democrats here who are loyal democrats pretty much out of inertia - they recall the good-paying jobs the union-staffed mills used to provide, and still see the democrats as the party of the working man. Later Gen X and younger folks don’t have that association, even if they happen to work in a unionized plant. They lean republican for cultural reasons, or that they believe that “lower taxes” are somehow going to trickle down to them.

The ugly reality is, of course, that neither party has any idea what the hell to do about America’s mothballed manufacturing base, and fracking is, particularly for democrats who purport to care about the environment, a devil’s bargain - high paying jobs at the cost of substantial environmental damage. “Climate change” is pretty abstract, but, “the fish are all dead/can’t be safely eaten” is very real to guys who are out fishing every weekend!

Fetterman has been a fixture in the western part of the state for a good 15 years. He’s very consciously tried to position himself as an old school, mill-town, union Democrat, of a sort which seems functionally almost extinct in the modern Democratic party. There’s a lot of critique of Fetterman that this is mostly a pose; i.e. that he hasn’t worked mill jobs, went to Harvard, etc, instead of coming up “organically,” which does carry some weight. Still, the image of a hoodie-wearing blue collar everyman was enough to endear him to the PA Democratic party, so even in light of his stroke just before the Democratic primary.

Now, Oz is a truly bizarre choice for PA; I’m surprised that even with Trump’s help he was able to win the nomination. Fetterman’s campaign was able to make a lot of hay by repeatedly pointing out that Oz doesn’t even live here; he’s from across the bridge in New Jersey. I’ve lived a couple of places where residents on one state make jokes about residents of another: in New England everyone shits on Massholes, Virginians sneer at those sister-fuckers in West Virginia, and here in PA we mock people from New Jersey, so this plays in very well to existing tropes. Also worth thinking about is that in the modern Democratic party it would be extremely déclassé to go after Oz for being Turkish or a Muslim, but going after him for being from New Jersey allows democrats to launder their loathing of “the foreigner” in a way that has at least a veneer of respectability.

Fetterman’s team was playing it cagey in keeping him out of the spotlight, but refusing to debate Oz at all raised too many questions about Fetterman’s health status, so he agreed to a debate in late October. It didn’t go particularly well for Fetterman; he was never that articulate a speaker (which may be intentional on his part) but seemed to be struggling with some degree of speech aphasia, to the point his polling dropped noticeably in the wake of the debate.

On Tuesday, PA residents had a rough choice: a blue-collar wannabe with some degree of brain damage, or an “out of state” guy who was best known for hawking snake oil with Oprah? A lot of pundits want to claim that Democrats were able to stop the red wave because young people came out, but I kind of suspect the old boomer democrats were the folks who really saved Fetterman, albeit for reasons that are based more on nostalgia than clear thinking.

(For the curious: Mastriano lost because he’s a tubby, unlikable wop whose entire platform was, “No abortions and gay marriage,” which are issues that PA folks are simply not *that* fired up about.)
 
Übertroon said:
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This is the opinion of people about the current state of the country, and not one incumbent politician got unseated.
Literally bug people.
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Part of the problem is the nature of politics and the money involved typically means you're getting the kind of dishonest, corrupt people who are willing to play those games. I think the thought process is more along the lines of "the devil you know" rather than any actual support for these incumbents.

I also think the Republicans really botched their messaging on Roe v. Wade going into this election. All they should have said is that it will be left up to the states to determine and that the Congress will respect those laws no matter what form they take. Part of the issue with campaigning as 'pro-life' is the Republicans have been doing it for years to get conservative votes...while doing absolutely nothing about abortion whatsoever.

Sort of gets hard to believe them after the 30th year of doing nothing, Some of these Republican candidates were extremely weak on top of it...I mean Dr. Oz? Herschel Walker!? Come on.
 
mindlessobserver said:
The simple truth is I feel this election has cemented the cold civil war theory. I doubt there was much chicanery. People think this because it seems incomprehensible that anyone would vote for the ruling party given its track record of the last few years. Or that they would literally elect a man for Senate who has done absolutely nothing in his life and can't even speak a coherent sentence.

Sad truth is governing fundentals no longer matter. It's all about who supports the tribe of the voters in question. Worse, those tribal lines are now politically delineated along state lines to the point the winner can be declared before a single vote is tabulated.

This will not end well in the long run. But I see no way to stop the March of history. America's leadership class is completely out of touch, and high on its own farts.
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>doubt there was much chicanery
>what is the 1965 immigration act
>niggers and the childless are allowed to vote
>people who watch cable television are allowed to vote
just because it's been made legal doesn't mean it isn't chicanery

But even besides that, it's not like there was any less turnout manipulation than has been going on for decades. When you have reliable population groups who vote your way it isn't hard to spend money selectively improving their turnout. Not that that is the only thing going on. Who's to say, but florida is perhaps more representative of the case where this manipulation is limited. Though I don't want to give too much credit to Desantis, as he has the mandate of the regime to challenge Trump.
 
I'm convinced we need another Harambe every few years for some PA shitposters to throw off the votes and give the Amish some leeway to work their non-Satanic magic.
 
Retards are going to vote in an obvious Uniparty plant and then cry that nothing changes in 2024.

It's like poetry, it rhymes. I think I'm just finished caring and just await whatever collapse does or doesn't come.
 
Well, staying up all night having a panic attack was fun (no it wasn't) but now that they're calling Wisconsin I feel confident in my predictions. GOP picks up Nevada and then maybe Georgia in the run-offs. Arizona I'm not optimistic about but don't count it out yet. House races will narrowly go to Republicans.
 
DicksOutForKiwigglers said:
Well, staying up all night having a panic attack was fun (no it wasn't) but now that they're calling Wisconsin I feel confident in my predictions. GOP picks up Nevada and then maybe Georgia in the run-offs. Arizona I'm not optimistic about but don't count it out yet. House races will narrowly go to Republicans.
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So many people who lived through the last two years decided that, yes, they'd like more of that.

The red flag for me was that Fox News exit poll where a majority said they believe the government should be doing more.
 
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