US 2022 Mid-Term Election

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Terrifik said:
how many time do we teach you this lesson you idiot republicans.
yes, Democrats were going to used mail in votes against you if if you didn't disagree about trump voting issue on 2020.
now goose egg o shucks we lost now republican will be forever minority speakers in both house & senate. OWO


INB4 the Meme 218-216 So close
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this main stream spin right now hasn't been updated unlike the senate chart.
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Here's what RCP has:

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You need two more. Just. Two. More.

If you fools cannot manage that, you deserve to be buried in wet concrete.
 
Kari Kamiya said:
This is the response I was waiting for. She's gonna contest it.
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Would love to be proven wrong on this, but suspect it'll matter as much as 2020. Unless Arizona this time happened to elect enough hardline Reps in the state legislature who care little for GOPe kickbacks and media ire, there will be a lot of noise with little action.
 
Mothra1988 said:
If you're saying stuff like this in a thread about mid-term elections:



than yeah, you need to fuck off. Null doesn't need more of you spergs causing problems. I don't really care if I was wrong about things or not. I like though that the biggest fed poster on the entire site @Cpl. Long Dong Silver neg rated me over that. Hilarious.
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By this logic posting about how school shootings happen in a thread on a school shooting is a threat to shoot up a school.
Mothra1988 said:
1. I never said election fraud didn't exist. I said it wasn't coordinated by some centralized cabal of jews like you think it is.
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Wow, there sure are a lot of "independent bad actors" out there who all happen to target elections in the same few states which they steal with the same set of tricks that just so happens always ensures the Democrat candidate wins by a similar percent of votes.

I mean LMAO it's more of a conspiracy to believe that nonsense than to believe the obvious conclusion that the DNC itself is coordinating election fraud.
Mothra1988 said:
LOL I was leaving on a vacation with my SO I had planned a year earlier. I was annoyed by the election results (and lack of results), but if you think you were on my mind, nope. Sorry, I wasn't going to give some paranoid internet lolicon more of my time while doing couple stuff. I have a real life.
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Your fap sessions to Donald Trump aren't vacations with your SO, sorry.
 
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Dems Trying To Claw Their Way To A Win Over Lauren Boebert

Gun-toting, Biden-heckling, MAGA fave Lauren Boebert continues to hold a razor-tight lead over Democratic challenger Adam Frisch. With 99% of the votes reported, the controversial Boebert is leading…
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Goodbye "fortifying elections", hello "curing ballots".
On Saturday, Frisch tweeted that his campaign needs volunteers to canvas the 3rd Congressional District to cure ballots. This is an effort by Democrats to reach out to voters who cast mail ballots but got rejected by their counties for minor errors in their mailed ballots.
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In other words, they're gonna "find" just enough ballots in a broom closet that are 100% Dem. I'm calling it now.
 
mandatorylurk said:
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It’s called “Kari Lake being The Hated Enemy.” It’s not difficult of a concept to comprehend.
MrJokerRager said:
AZ is fucked.

Charlie Kirk and his crew are coping hard over muh abortion, and not the obvious fraud.

What a cucked state, more cucked than GA and PA.

AZCalifornia here we come.
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You mean you aren’t already there. The state is already centered on the whims of Phoenix and Tucson.
WhimsicalTrolli said:
Even banana republics have fairer elections. There's no way in the 21st century to have delayed voting weeks or months after an election.
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MrJokerRager said:
IIRC did Kemp over in Georgia recuse himself as SoS, when he defeated Abrams the first time around?

Also Kari Lake gives a response.


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Kari Kamiya said:
This is the response I was waiting for. She's gonna contest it.
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Can’t wait for this to amount to nothing like in 2020 because of being The Hated Enemy. How long before the articles of everyone patting each other on the back?
Scale Smerch said:
Would love to be proven wrong on this, but suspect it'll matter as much as 2020. Unless Arizona this time happened to elect enough hardline Reps in the state legislature who care little for GOPe kickbacks and media ire, there will be a lot of noise with little action.
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Meat Target said:
talkingpointsmemo.com

Dems Trying To Claw Their Way To A Win Over Lauren Boebert

Gun-toting, Biden-heckling, MAGA fave Lauren Boebert continues to hold a razor-tight lead over Democratic challenger Adam Frisch. With 99% of the votes reported, the controversial Boebert is leading…
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Goodbye "fortifying elections", hello "curing ballots".

In other words, they're gonna "find" just enough ballots in a broom closet that are 100% Dem. I'm calling it now.
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Is it fedposting to ask if we should start the countdown for “patriots” to begin rejecting the rule of these voted people because they’re considered illegitimate in their eyes, or we see actions of an actual coup that puts 1/6 to shame, along with words of things happening to people due to “suspicion of being state assets?”
 
Fucky Chucky said:
It almost looks like a situation where voting isn't the best option.
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If voting isn’t the best option, what is? We already saw folks try going to Capitol Hill directly.

verissimus said:
Who in their right mind would ever allow the Right into the culture other than the church (and I use the word loosely to denote all the other denominations)? Hardly anyone. This is a complete pipedream.
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I believe the right knows this. That’s why you hear about trying to create a separate ecosystem so much from Andrew Torba.
 
Not sure if to classify this as "cope", "Rage Bait", or "a call to arms"

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Dangers of Democracy

by ThinkingWest The word “democracy” appears exactly zero times in the United States Constitution. And yet, no form of government is celebrated with the same…
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Dangers of Democracy​

OCTOBER 19, 2022
by ThinkingWest
The word “democracy” appears exactly zero times in the United States Constitution. And yet, no form of government is celebrated with the same fervency as democracy. Recently, the phrase “Our Democracy” has been co-opted by nearly every politician as an attempt to appeal to the populace’s supposedly unshakeable faith in the voting process. Appeals to the fragility of “Our Democracy” are commonly made by political figures hoping to discredit rivals; rivals they unhesitatingly accuse of threatening that ancient Athenian inheritance. A keen extraterrestrial might conclude that many of the developed nations of the world embrace democracy as religion.
But is this unquestioning reverence for a form of political governance healthy, reasonable, desirable? Does such reverence blind us to the shortcomings that democracy may possess relative to other political arrangements and lure us into complacent, even dangerous, self-satisfaction?
Let’s review a few of the major issues that beset democracies. The aim is not to condemn democracy as a form of governance, but to critique it such that we may be better informed of its imperfections. After all, politics of any form must involve human beings and human beings, despite their best intentions, are far from perfect.
1.) Democracy is only as Noble and Reasonable as its Voting Citizens
The first critique of democracy concerns the responsibility that citizens have to exhibit character in daily life and to stay well informed about the issues for which they vote. It does not matter how passionately a citizen may feel about a particular issue; if that passion is not tempered by objective investigation and the application of reason to the issue at hand, the voter abdicates a central responsibility as a citizen. No degree of passion is a substitute for clear-headed thinking. Understanding well the tendency that democratic citizens have towards this failure, Winston Churchill once quipped, “The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.” Unfortunately, many citizens of modern democracies fall prey to emotional pleas and assume that heartfelt emotion is sufficient to guide ones voting decisions. The media, with that oh-so-dangerous self-satisfaction, appeals to the smug assuredness of over-confident voters through emotionally manipulative means. The voters are constantly reassured that their viewpoint is the only reasonable one.
Democracy has yet to find a solution to the Dunning-Kruger effect, the phenomenon where the less a person knows about an issue, the more confident a person is in their knowledge about the issue. A 2018 study by Ian G Anson published in the journal Political Psychology investigated how the Dunning-Kruger effect affects citizens’ perceptions of their political knowledge. Anson examined over two thousand American adults via two online surveys which quizzed the participants on basic political knowledge. Most participants of the study performed poorly and those who performed poorest were more likely to be confident in their knowledge of politics than those that performed well 1.
The Dunning-Kruger effect, combined with patronizing and pandering from politicians and the press, results in a poorly informed, but highly opinionated public. A hyper-emotional public is incapable of cool-headed, rational debate and is, instead, prone to political provocation and manipulation by media and power-hungry politicians.
A successful democracy requires citizens to continuously revisit and revise their understanding of core issues in a level-headed manner. Such revision is best embarked upon with temperance and reason.


2.) Democracy Makes Neighbors Political Adversaries and Makes All Issues Political

A less considered shortcoming is the tendency for democracies to create adversity between citizens who hold differing political opinions. In the United States, this adversity has become so intense between Republicans and Democrats that distrust between members of opposing parties extends far beyond just political issues. Nearly every issue brought to the public eye, whether science, sports, movies, or music becomes irreversibly burdened with political interpretation, intention, and influence. Ideas and concerns submitted by one side of the political aisle are a priori rejected and condemned by the other side before the slightest consideration of the idea’s merits. This effect may be particularly amplified in a democratic political system where there are only two major parties. Then, nearly every political issue inherits a kind of adversity that is more likely to be absent when the number of available choices exceeds two.

The recent COVID-19 pandemic emphasizes the need to be aware of the tendency people have to view apolitical issues through partisan lenses. As thoughtful citizens we should be cognizant of this tendency when evaluating actions to take to solve these issues. A June 2020 article from FiveThirtyEight detailed the divergence of experiences between Republicans and Democrats during that time2. Republicans generally exhibited less concern about the pandemic while Democrats exhibited greater concern about it. The intent of this article is not to determine which political party was correct or incorrect about the pandemic, but to demonstrate how partisan politics played a crucial role in shaping people’s viewpoints about a major issue. One would presume that the pandemic should never have been a political issue. Instead, the pandemic and its mitigation efforts should have been matters of public health and science.



Ideally, an open scientific investigation and discussion should have been facilitated to find the best solutions to counter the pandemic while maintaining the minimum possible obstruction of freedoms upon citizens. Instead, political parties championed separate causes and blamed the opposition for any and all Covid-19 deaths. This turned the opposing party into literal “murderers” while one’s own party used these deaths to lobby for votes.

This is not to say that there were no valid issues that were brought up during the political chaos. Examples of valid points of disagreement included masking policies, vaccination mandates, lockdowns, and experimental drug treatments. However, actual open scientific debate on these issues was rarely carried out.

The COVID-19 pandemic response is just one example of where the political divide contaminates problem-solving and leads to further distrust between those that share different political opinions. As the political divide in America (and across the West) widens, more and more aspects of society become political, from sports to music to education. Nearly every aspect of life now contains political undertones, which only divides us further and makes cordial political dialogue near impossible. The U.S.’s current circumstance stands as an example of the tendency for democracies to politicize everything and divide its citizenry.

3.) Democracies Incur Great Opportunity Costs

Another drawback of modern democracy is the immense opportunity cost incurred by political campaigns. Time, money, energy, and attention are all consumed by political parties vying to ensure that their candidate is elected. Dozens, hundreds, and sometimes even thousands of people are employed for hours, days, and weeks to assist with a campaign on behalf of a candidate. And consider the fact that in a two-party system, one of these parties’ efforts will effectively be for nothing if it loses. Not only are political campaigns expensive, but they are also getting increasingly MORE expensive. In 2016 the total cost for presidential and congressional races was $7 billion. By 2020 that number doubled to more than $14.4 billion3.

Let’s consider what alternative investments could be made with $14.4 billion. For $400,000 each, $14.4 billion could buy 36,000 homes. Researchers from 23 countries suggest that $14 billion is the additional expenditure needed each year to eradicate world hunger by 2030. The National Cancer Institute estimates that the average cost of first-year cancer treatment is $42,000 4. At this price tag, $14 billion is enough to purchase a year’s worth of cancer treatment for over 330,000 people. Clearly, the extraordinary sums of money spent on political campaigns could be used for a variety of beneficial endeavors. These endeavors could have lasting, meaningful effects on the lives of countless people.

In addition to the monetary cost of campaigning, political involvement incurs a devastating mental toll on losers of election races. Regarding the 2016 presidential election, analysis suggests that in states that voted for Hillary Clinton in November 2016, there were a total of 54.6 million more days of poor mental health than in October 2016 5. Poor mental health leads to lower quality of life and lower productivity. Though poor mental health isn’t exclusive to democracies, it is a heavy opportunity cause to risk the mental health of half the country each election cycle. This problem is particularly strong in winner-take-all elections as in presidential races.

Another significant cost in democracies is the time and energy the politicians spent on campaigning and fundraising for the next election cycle. Not only must politicians work to enact new legislation, but they must also devote considerable resources to ensuring they maintain popular public opinion and are prepared financially for their upcoming reelection campaign. This diverts time, energy, and attention from passing legislation to lobbying voters and campaign donors. According to Rep. Rick Nolan in “60 Minutes” expose from CBS, members of Congress are encouraged to spend thirty hours per week in call centers for their respective parties asking for donations:

Rep. Rick Nolan: “Thirty hours is what they tell you you should spend. And it’s discouraging good people from running for public office. I could give you names of people who’ve said, “You know, I’d like to go to Washington and help fix problems, but I don’t want to go to Washington and become a mid-level telemarketer, dialing for dollars, for crying out loud.”
Interviewer: “You’re saying members of Congress are becoming like telemarketers?”
Rep. Rick Nolan: “Well, 30 hours a week, that’s a lot of telemarketing. Probably more than most telemarketers do.”
This emphasis on fundraising also results in fewer good people running for office according to Nolan – another opportunity cost of the current democratic process. 6

While political engagement is necessary for a functioning democracy, this engagement can incur a heavy cost on the people it purportedly serves. Current democracies risk turning politics into an industry unto itself. When the democratic process becomes an industry unto itself, it ceases to act on behalf of the people and instead serves the political actors.

4) Democracy is Expensive and Politicians Push Costs to Future Generations

The fourth flaw of democracy is the tendency for democracies to become more expensive over time as citizens vote for additional benefits from the government. Once a benefit is provided to citizens they will rarely vote to remove this benefit, especially when it is financed through tax dollars. This is particularly true when the benefit has been provided for several generations. Over time, this leads wealthy societies to become more dependent on the government to provide for the citizenry. Alexander Fraser Tytler, an influential professor of universal history in the 18th century and an expert on the rise and fall of civilizations summarized this tendency:

“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage.” 7




Tytler suggests that civilizations emerge out of hardship through great faith and courage. This struggle ultimately leads to liberty and abundance in which citizens are largely free to act as they see fit. But while desirable in their own right, liberty and abundance lead to selfishness and apathy when not tempered by discipline. Finally, when in a state of material wealth, a civilization returns to a state of dependence in which the citizenry chooses welfare and handouts over personal responsibility. This allows tyrants to exploit complacent citizens through false promises which leads to the final stage, the stage that defines most of human political history: bondage. Aristotle formulates Tytler’s cycle succinctly:

“Inevitably, masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies invariably give way to tyranny.”
-Aristotle
And the prolific historian Will Durant summarized this phenomenon even more simply:

“A civilization is born Stoic and dies Epicurean.”
-Will Durant
This trend toward dependence is evident in the amount of debt a democratic nation accrues. Consider that nine of the ten most indebted nations are considered democracies by the World Population Review 8,9. Only the tiny Asian nation of Bhutan (considered a “hybrid regime”) is not considered either a flawed or full democracy. The graph below demonstrates that democracies are particularly prone to spending beyond their means. Debt is money borrowed from future generations to pay for the expenses of the current generation. By voting themselves benefit after benefit, citizens vote themselves into being financial liabilities. These liabilities are expected to be paid for by future generations, creating an unsustainable financial trajectory. As we have seen from Tytler’s cycle of civilizations, this unstable financial path can then be exploited by opportunists willing to bribe citizens with additional benefits in exchange for their freedom. This results in a reduction of liberty and prosperity in society.

Conclusion

In conclusion, democracies come with flaws like all forms of government. Democracy’s tendency to reflect the vices of their citizenry and pit citizens against each other means that democratic nations should focus on the education and ethics of their populaces. Consequently, their voters can make informed and moral choices when selecting elected leaders. The high opportunity cost of political campaigns and the propensity for democracies to accrue large amounts of debt is also a serious flaw in democratic governments. Laws that limit campaign contributions and government spending constraints could mitigate these issues, though this is easier said than done. Voters and representatives alike will need to be cognizant of future generations when considering any increase in government benefits.

Overall, no form of government is perfect. It can be trendy to ridicule democratic government given the current state of the western world. However, let us refrain from unreflective and reckless criticism. Perhaps Winston Churchill’s wise assessment of the system is most appropriate:

“Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others.”
-Winston Churchill

Thinking West aims to revive the “Great Conversation” in our digital age through promoting the study of the great books of the western world, classical approaches to education, and through thoughtful commentary on current events, history, philosophy, culture, education, and religion.
We strive first and foremost to spark an appreciation for the values that built the West. Our content strives for depth and meaning in an era plagued by six second attention spans and clickbait headlines. We challenge ourselves and our readers to read, reflect, and speak out on ideas that matter.
Footnotes:

[1] https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/pops.12490

[2] https://fivethirtyeight.com/feature...-very-differently-is-that-making-people-sick/

[3] https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2021/02/2020-cycle-cost-14p4-billion-doubling-16/

[4] https://www.theguardian.com/global-...d-hunger-by-2030-would-cost-330bn-study-finds

[5] https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/presidential-election-results-may-impact-voters-mental-health

[6] https://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-are-members-of-congress-becoming-telemarketers/

[7] https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/108530-a-democracy-cannot-exist-as-a-permanent-form-of-government

[8] https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/democracy-countries

[9] https://www.stash.com/learn/10-countries-with-largest-national-debt-to-gdp/
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So just to get this straight: one your elections for state governor was between a news anchor and the person who was literally in charge of counting the votes? And the vote-counter just won by a razor-thin margin?

After this, I'm going to ignore any lectures about democracy I get from Americans (especially the ones putatively on my side). I've seen more honest elections in central Africa.
 
Save the Loli said:
By this logic posting about how school shootings happen in a thread on a school shooting is a threat to shoot up a school.
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No, you don't say absurd glowing Turner Diaries DOTR shit in a thread about US politicians. Anyways, you'll be the one getting knocks on your door so you can continue that if you want, dumbass. I just feel sorry for Josh having to deal with people who can't keep a lid on their autism in addition to the all the troons attacking KF from the outside.

Save the Loli said:
Wow, there sure are a lot of "independent bad actors" out there who all happen to target elections in the same few states which they steal with the same set of tricks that just so happens always ensures the Democrat candidate wins by a similar percent of votes.

I mean LMAO it's more of a conspiracy to believe that nonsense than to believe the obvious conclusion that the DNC itself is coordinating election fraud.
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Concluding that the DNC coordinated election fraud itself across Philadelphia, Maricopa County, and other inflection points in the country is stupid. Like those wine sipping country club establishment dinosaurs would get their hands dirty and commit massive conspiracy and fraud without a huge buffer to protect them that could get them sent to prison. Modern election fraud happens like it did in Florida before DeSantis got in power. You have one crook in charge in Brown County who looks the other way when the ideological nuts hired as poll workers start fucking with ballots they don't like etc. Then when DeSantis fires the bitch, it suddenly ends. If it was as bad as you suggest, simply having the right governor wouldn't end it.

Save the Loli said:
Your fap sessions to Donald Trump aren't vacations with your SO, sorry.
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Projection. Your name literally refers to your wank-off material, so obviously you assume other people can't have relationships since yours is with the imaginary minor in your avatar. You're also so fucking stupid you still don't know what gender/sex I am after arguing with me for probably 100 of these back and forths over a period of months. lol I'm sure you're incredibly invested in this rivalry you think you had with me in this thread, but I literally think/feel nothing about you when I'm not logged onto this website. The fact you were waiting here bursting at the seems for 5 days to say this stuff to me is beyond hilarious. LOL.
 
Random Internet Person said:
Is it fedposting to ask if we should start the countdown for “patriots” to begin rejecting the rule of these voted people because they’re considered illegitimate in their eyes, or we see actions of an actual coup that puts 1/6 to shame, along with words of things happening to people due to “suspicion of being state assets?”
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The "ballot box" and "bullet box" aren't mutually exclusive. Just look at the Battle of Athens in Tennessee. Fun fact about the Battle of Athens--the political machine who got BTFO there is still in power in Memphis to this day.
Mothra1988 said:
No, you don't say absurd glowing Turner Diaries DOTR shit in a thread about US politicians. Anyways, you'll be the one getting knocks on your door so you can continue that if you want, dumbass. I just feel sorry for Josh having to deal with people who can't keep a lid on their autism in addition to the all the troons attacking KF from the outside.
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So quoting verbatim one of the few good things I learned in college about how revolutions work is now "Turner Diaries" lol. Just tag Null or report my post if you think I'm "fedposting" instead of being a giant bleeding vagina about it.
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Concluding that the DNC coordinated election fraud itself across Philadelphia, Maricopa County, and other inflection points in the country is stupid. Like those wine sipping country club establishment dinosaurs would get their hands dirty and commit massive conspiracy and fraud without a huge buffer to protect them that could get them sent to prison. Modern election fraud happens like it did in Florida before DeSantis got in power. You have one crook in charge in Brown County who looks the other way when the ideological nuts hired as poll workers start fucking with ballots they don't like etc. Then when DeSantis fires the bitch, it suddenly ends. If it was as bad as you suggest, simply having the right governor wouldn't end it.
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Yes, uprooting bureaucrats across Florida and Ohio does end things. But until you do so, they're still taking orders from the DNC. Like why the hell would they do it if they won't get a headpat from the establishment at the end of it?
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Projection. Your name literally refers to your wank-off material, so obviously you assume other people can't have relationships since yours is with the imaginary minor in your avatar. You're also so fucking stupid you still don't know what gender/sex I am after arguing with me for probably 100 of these back and forths over a period of months. lol I'm sure you're incredibly invested in this rivalry you think you had with me in this thread, but I literally think/feel nothing about you when I'm not logged onto this website. The fact you were waiting here bursting at the seems for 5 days to say this stuff to me is beyond hilarious. LOL.
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You have a pathological obsession to defend Donald Trump (and occasionally his fellow botox-injected senior citizen Vic Mignogna). Don't care what gender you are, you're just a fag.

Now to be fair, I honestly wish I had been wrong so you could've laughed at me on 11/9. It sucks to be wrong about this because I'm going to suffer as an American and I'll see the commie journo rags cheering like always. It sucks that lots of good candidates who could've been huge players lost.
 
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Now to be fair, I honestly wish I had been wrong so you could've laughed at me on 11/9. It sucks to be wrong about this because I'm going to suffer as an American and I'll see the commie journo rags cheering like always. It sucks that lots of good candidates who could've been huge players lost.
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The thing that's so stupid about you is you didn't vote for Republicans and then still cry when they lost that society is fucked to make it seem like you're on the same side. Even if the media gaslit me when they acted like Republicans would have a wave, at least I voted for the right side instead of doing some pathetic juvenile protest vote like you did.

Save the Loli said:
So quoting verbatim one of the few good things I learned in college about how revolutions work is now "Turner Diaries" lol. Just tag Null or report my post if you think I'm "fedposting" instead of being a giant bleeding vagina about it.
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It's retarded verbiage like this. Stop playing stupid:

Save the Loli said:
before the people told the government to fuck off and started stringing up politicians.
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Save the Loli said:
You have a pathological obsession to defend Donald Trump (and occasionally his fellow botox-injected senior citizen Vic Mignogna). Don't care what gender you are, you're just a fag.
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Imagine attacking Vic Mignogna like a Twitter troon and thinking you can call anyone a faggot. lol Like I said, you're just another flavor of leftard. You hate Trump, don't vote for Republicans, and apparently even hate smeared metoo victims like Vic. Fuck off. lol
 
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