Law US 2020 census will be printed without citizenship question

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The Supreme Court found Thursday that the Trump administration did not give an adequate reason for adding a citizenship question to the 2020 census, blocking the question for at least the time being.

The move is a surprise win for advocates who opposed the question's addition, arguing it will lead to an inaccurate population count. The administration had argued the question was needed to enforce the Voting Rights Act (VRA).

The justices sent the issue back to the Commerce Department to provide another explanation.

Chief Justice John Roberts joined with the court's liberal wing in delivering the court's opinion.



Roberts wrote "that the decision to reinstate a citizenship question cannot be adequately explained in terms of [the Department of Justice's] request for improved citizenship data to better enforce the VRA."

"Several points, considered together, reveal a significant mismatch between the decision [Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross] made and the rationale he provided."

Roberts pointed to evidence showing that Ross, whose department oversees the census, intended to include a citizenship question on the census "about a week into his tenure, but it contains no hint that he was considering VRA enforcement in connection with that project."



And he noted that the Justice Department didn't indicate any interest in the citizenship data until contacted by Commerce officials, and that the evidence "suggests that DOJ's interest was directed more to helping the Commerce Department than to securing the data."

"Altogether, the evidence tells a story that does not match the explanation the secretary gave for his decision," Roberts wrote.

"In the Secretary's telling, Commerce was simply acting on a routine data request from another agency. Yet the materials before us indicate that Commerce went to great lengths to elicit the request from DOJ (or any other willing agency)," he continued. "And unlike a typical case in which an agency may have both stated and unstated reasons for a decision, here the VRA enforcement rationale-the sole stated reason-seems to have been contrived. We are presented, in other words, with an explanation for agency action that is incongruent with what the record reveals about the agency's priorities and decisionmaking process."



However, the chief justice said that the decision to add the citizenship question was not "substantively invalid."

"But agencies must pursue their goals reasonably," Roberts said. "What was provided here was more of a distraction."

While Trump officials had pointed to the VRA as reason to add the citizenship question, critics argued that asking about citizenship status would lead to an undercount of the total population. Census data is used for items like drawing congressional districts and allocating federal funds to states, and opponents said an inaccurate population count would harm Americans and cause some to not receive needed funds.



Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor and Elana Kagan, the liberal members of the court, joined on the part of Roberts's opinion opposing the question.

Justices Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito, Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh dissented.

In a dissenting opinion, Thomas wrote that, "For the first time ever, the court invalidates an agency action solely because it questions the sincerity of the agency's otherwise adequate rationale."

"This conclusion is extraordinary," he wrote. "The court engages in an unauthorized inquiry into evidence not properly before us to reach an unsupported conclusion."

Groups that had challenged the citizenship question's addition to the census in court quickly celebrated the ruling.

New York Attorney General Letitia James, whose state had led the lawsuit presented before the Supreme Court, said that because of Thursday's ruling "the census will remain a tool for delivering on our government's promise of fairness and equity, and states, like New York, will not be shortchanged out of critical resources or political representation."

"Our democracy withstood this challenge, but make no mistake, many threats continue to lie ahead from the Trump administration and we will not stop fighting. Now, more than ever, the marginalized, the disenfranchised, and everyday people need us to stand firm in our fight for justice. After all, everyone counts, and therefore, everyone must be counted."

The ruling is handed down as the Commerce Department says it has a deadline of June 30 - Sunday - to start printing census materials.

And it comes as another lawsuit challenging the question plays out in federal court in Maryland.

The Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled this week that a district judge in Maryland could review whether there was a discriminatory intent behind the question's addition, in light of new evidence filed in the lawsuit. That opens the door for the judge to potentially block the question on those grounds, as it's a different legal question than the one presented to the Supreme Court.

That new evidence pertains to late Republican redistricting strategist Thomas Hofeller, as documents were recently uncovered from Hofeller's hard drives as part of a separate lawsuit in North Carolina that indicate he played a previously undisclosed role in the orchestration of the citizenship question.

The documents indicate that Hofeller conducted an unpublished study in 2015 that found asking about citizenship would help Republicans in redistricting, while hurting Latinx communities and Democrats.

It also suggests that Hofeller may have helped in the drafting of a memo used by the Trump administration to argue for the citizenship question. And emails also show that a Census Bureau staffer was in touch with Hofeller about the citizenship question back in 2015.

Documents relating to Hofeller's role have been filed in a pair of separate lawsuits challenging the citizenship question, in federal court in New York and Maryland. The New York lawsuit was the case under consideration by the Supreme Court

The ACLU has notified the Supreme Court of the evidence. And it requested that the justices send the case back down to a lower court, to allow new evidence to be officially added to the lawsuit - a motion the court is scheduled to discuss during a private conference Thursday.

But the Trump administration asked the justices to rule on whether the addition of the question violates equal protection claims, in an effort to preempt any action out of a lower court.

Groups challenging the citizenship question in federal court in Maryland also requested late Wednesday that District Judge George Hazel issue a preliminary injunction by Friday to block the question from appearing on the census.

Hazel, an Obama appointee, has asked the Trump administration to reply to that request by 8 p.m. Thursday.

Tldr the Court ruled the argument for why should the question be added was bad so it got blocked, it may still pass if a better argument is made up
EDIT: It will be officially printed without the question

EDIT 2: according to Trump that was fake news
 
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The question on the census is not the point of this thing, IMO. The idea is to expose as many people as possible who want to cover up the number of illegal immigrants in the country. Why don't they want the question to be asked? People will wonder.
They also nakedly want illegal immigrants to count for House Representation numbers despite that they can't vote and therefore doesn't count to be represented.
I mean, it's kinda hard to count illegals, isn't it?
It's like trying to count how many rats are infesting your house.
Probably. If they are going to count, they need to be counted as not part of the representative demography. It's going to be so great if the sanctuary city push back fires, and no illegals get counted to be represented, but they have to deal with all the social issues that comes with hundreds to thousands of free loaders clog the governmental social services, while the tax payers that pay for those social services flee.
I personally choose to believe that the 4D chess thing is just a meme and Trump just happens to randomly move his pieces around the board until suddenly his opponent is in check, over and over again, through a bizarre combination of confidence and luck.

I mean, not that it isn't fun to imagine that he's some grand Chessmaster playing a game on a level the dems can't even comprehend. It's just more fun to imagine that he's managing to win despite not knowing for sure how the pieces are supposed to move or what the victory conditions actually look like. He just bullies them with his smug fucking trump face until they're sure he's won, and that keeps them too busy to do anything about him.
Someone probably can't be that lucky so many times. Maybe he isn't playing "4D chess", but I think he's had his ear to the ground for decades despite being a rich guy. I also believe he is really pro-America, because if I know New Yorkers, they are really proud to be New Yorkers, and really proud to be American. That's why he's successful. Every other candidate rely on poll numbers.
Slaves couldn't vote.
Neither can non-citizens, yet the Democrats think they should also count towards House Representation. It's like poetry, it rhymes.
 
For anyone who doesn't like rifling through jargon, what this means is that the citizenship question isn't going to be on the 2020 Census, because the Supreme Court completely fucked that with their ruling, so fair enough. Everyone could sit around and scream about how unfair it was or how dumb the ruling was, but that doesn't change the outcome either way. With this executive order, that doesn't really matter now.

Every department and agency in the federal government will need to provide the Department of Commerce with all requested records regarding the number of citizens and non-citizens in the country, and then the Census Bureau can use this information--along with information collected through the questionnaire--to create the official census. This basically means that the functionality of the question is going to be a part of the census whether they like it or not, it won't even need to be a part of the actual questionnaire to do it, and it will actually be more accurate for it, since it's very easy to just lie or fail to hand in the census.

The census is fairly bare-bones, all things considered, but just sit back for a minute and think about all of the programs that illegals have available to them in sanctuary states and havens like California, and imagine all of the intricate, detailed paperwork that's covered in their names and exactly what they've been up to, where they've been working, how much money they're receiving in benefits, etc. All of that information is going to be used "against them" now. I'm just sitting here and pondering why it is that no one ever thought to try this before rather than to beat their faces against the Census Question Wall.

We've had the capability to do this the entire time, why didn't we?
Because Dolan Trump is the only smart and motivated president we've had in twenty years.
 
It's plain why Democrats push the census so hard. If Trump manages to somehow get the loads of illegals off the census records the Democrats stand to lose a lot of ooomph in the places where they are currently the strongest (the big cities). It's no wonder they're freaking out internally, they can't really get their usual lap dogs in the MSM to say out right that they need illegals to be count so that the big Democrat stronghold can stay strong and soak up the Fed'd funds and House Rep's, so they're having issues framing it in a way they can sell the idea to the moderate voter.

IE: we need to keep the census the same because.....uh racism! and...erm Orange Man Bad! and...because that's how its always been done! They really don't have a position to protest from without giving away the real reason they need to have the illegals counted. How do you justify giving American Citizens tax money to non-citizens who don't pay thier share of income tax. Tough sell even for the spin masters in the MSM.

If Trump does somehow manage to get the census results changed it may radically alter the power balance in the House and on certain important committees causing the Democrats no end of grief. And just wait until the apportions for the tax base money come around, I wonder how many of the major cities would see a serious reduction in funds once all the illegals are discounted.

Sorry San Fran, you can't claim funds based on the 8 million people you counted in your last census now you can only draw funds based on 6.5 million citizen. Uh-oh! All those free programs you used to buy your votes now are going to cost you a lot more to keep running.

This may seem like a trivial matter but it underpins a lot of the power of the major blue cities to push their agendas.




Shine on you crazy Trump diamond...shine on.
 
It's plain why Democrats push the census so hard. If Trump manages to somehow get the loads of illegals off the census records the Democrats stand to lose a lot of ooomph in the places where they are currently the strongest (the big cities). It's no wonder they're freaking out internally, they can't really get their usual lap dogs in the MSM to say out right that they need illegals to be count so that the big Democrat stronghold can stay strong and soak up the Fed'd funds and House Rep's, so they're having issues framing it in a way they can sell the idea to the moderate voter.

IE: we need to keep the census the same because.....uh racism! and...erm Orange Man Bad! and...because that's how its always been done! They really don't have a position to protest from without giving away the real reason they need to have the illegals counted. How do you justify giving American Citizens tax money to non-citizens who don't pay thier share of income tax. Tough sell even for the spin masters in the MSM.

If Trump does somehow manage to get the census results changed it may radically alter the power balance in the House and on certain important committees causing the Democrats no end of grief. And just wait until the apportions for the tax base money come around, I wonder how many of the major cities would see a serious reduction in funds once all the illegals are discounted.

Sorry San Fran, you can't claim funds based on the 8 million people you counted in your last census now you can only draw funds based on 6.5 million citizen. Uh-oh! All those free programs you used to buy your votes now are going to cost you a lot more to keep running.

This may seem like a trivial matter but it underpins a lot of the power of the major blue cities to push their agendas.




Shine on you crazy Trump diamond...shine on.

And this battlefield Democrats cant retreat from, even if they win after long drawn out fight they are gonna spent more resources than republicans. In best case scenario for them.
 
As someone who doesn't follow US politics to any degree: why should the decade-ly census not keep track of the number of people in the country who are not citizens, aside from "woke-agenda" bullshit?
 
As someone who doesn't follow US politics to any degree: why should the decade-ly census not keep track of the number of people in the country who are not citizens, aside from "woke-agenda" bullshit?
Because blue districts want non-citizens to drive their numbers up which will then be apportioned to their share of the electoral college and congressman despite not being allowed to vote.

Good job Trump. You turned another easy win into an unmitigated disaster. This is a cope and empty threat that will go nowhere just like his million deportations that were supposed to happen about a month ago now. President Kushner 2020 guys! Aren't you excited?
 
Sorry San Fran, you can't claim funds based on the 8 million people you counted in your last census now you can only draw funds based on 6.5 million citizen. Uh-oh! All those free programs you used to buy your votes now are going to cost you a lot more to keep running.

This may seem like a trivial matter but it underpins a lot of the power of the major blue cities to push their agendas.
This plus Trump closing the loophole that let states like California allow citizens to count their state/local income tax against their federal income taxes is going to fuck these yuppie strongholds into the dirt and I can't wait.
 
Because blue districts want non-citizens to drive their numbers up which will then be apportioned to their share of the electoral college and congressman despite not being allowed to vote.

Good job Trump. You turned another easy win into an unmitigated disaster. This is a cope and empty threat that will go nowhere just like his million deportations that were supposed to happen about a month ago now. President Kushner 2020 guys! Aren't you excited?
We've got the wall being built, a NAFTA reform ready for the books, just came out of a trade war with a favorable outcome and have the Mexicans picking up the slack on deportation. Just because there's a setback doesn't mean we're all doomed.
 
We've got the wall being built
What like 1.5 miles of fence in an area that isn't even particularly bad? lol ok. That boomer private wall thing has been as effective so far.

a NAFTA reform ready for the books, just came out of a trade war with a favorable outcome
He has done a good job on foreign policy and trade IMO

have the Mexicans picking up the slack on deportation
Yeah, because even Mexicans are sick of the fuller-indio trash that has been filing into their country. Wait in Mexico (actually implemented kinda?) and rejection of asylum after moving through a safe country (not implemented) would be great if they were actually being used as anything but lipservice.
 
Was this... 4d chess?

Like... Trump didn't really want the question, he just wanted the SCOTUS to say that it was legal or something, so they could do this weird information sharing that would be even bigger, badder, and more accurate then a questionaire people could lie on?

The only realm I think Trump is actually capable of, or even tries, playing 4d chess is in rhetoric and PR. And even then most of the time he's pretty straightforward.


As someone who doesn't follow US politics to any degree: why should the decade-ly census not keep track of the number of people in the country who are not citizens, aside from "woke-agenda" bullshit?

Democrats rely on not just undocumented aliens for apportionment but also use "immigration reform" as a vote getter for the legal Latino vote. That's really the main reason they maintain the Latino vote because, like black Americans, Latinos otherwise generally hold conservative values.
 
What like 1.5 miles of fence in an area that isn't even particularly bad? lol ok. That boomer private wall thing has been as effective so far.


He has done a good job on foreign policy and trade IMO


Yeah, because even Mexicans are sick of the fuller-indio trash that has been filing into their country. Wait in Mexico (actually implemented kinda?) and rejection of asylum after moving through a safe country (not implemented) would be great if they were actually being used as anything but lipservice.
There has been way more than a couple miles builf of wall especially if you include the prototypes out there and the Mexican efforts have been more than just lip service if even the MSM reports on it.
 
Summary of what I learned about civics in the past 4 years:

- Congress never does anything except make the country worse
- The president can do whatever the fuck he wants with executive orders
- A federal judge in the middle of nowhere can do whatever the fuck he wants, including overriding the above
- The Supreme Court can also do whatever the fuck they want, including overriding the above
- The president can phrase his executive orders slightly differently and bureaucrat his way around all of the above, allowing himself to do whatever the fuck he wants
 
Summary of what I learned about civics in the past 4 years:

- Congress never does anything except make the country worse
- The president can do whatever the fuck he wants with executive orders
- A federal judge in the middle of nowhere can do whatever the fuck he wants, including overriding the above
- The Supreme Court can also do whatever the fuck they want, including overriding the above
- The president can phrase his executive orders slightly differently and bureaucrat his way around all of the above, allowing himself to do whatever the fuck he wants
I mean you can complain about congress, but they're directly elected representatives. What does that say about the people who vote for these politicians?
 
Maybe Trump isn't that smart, but what does that say about all the other politicians?

I think having someone who is actually trying to do good things is why he's accomplishing things. The politicians mostly don't want to fix anything.
 
Summary of what I learned about civics in the past 4 years:

- Congress never does anything except make the country worse
- The president can do whatever the fuck he wants with executive orders
- A federal judge in the middle of nowhere can do whatever the fuck he wants, including overriding the above
- The Supreme Court can also do whatever the fuck they want, including overriding the above
- The president can phrase his executive orders slightly differently and bureaucrat his way around all of the above, allowing himself to do whatever the fuck he wants

You just learned that the last 4 years?

Shit son, how young are you?
 
Summary of what I learned about civics in the past 4 years:

- Congress never does anything except make the country worse
- The president can do whatever the fuck he wants with executive orders
- A federal judge in the middle of nowhere can do whatever the fuck he wants, including overriding the above
- The Supreme Court can also do whatever the fuck they want, including overriding the above
- The president can phrase his executive orders slightly differently and bureaucrat his way around all of the above, allowing himself to do whatever the fuck he wants
This is a funny post and a pretty accurate representation of the nonsense. I will probably poorly paraphrase it at some point.
 
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