UN UK Parliament is imploding - And I love it.

The biggest two parties in Britain are apparently facing some massive challenges according to the paps.

The Tories are facing a leadership challenge, with election guru Lynton Crosby apparently planning to stab Theresa May in the back and installing Boris as PM.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-uk-boris-johnson-lynton-crosby-a8519096.html

Theresa May’s premiership has suffered a severe blow after reports emerged that Tory election-guru Sir Lynton Crosby is running a campaign to kill off her Brexit proposals.

Sir Lynton is said to have ordered allies to work with hardline Brexiteers in the European Research Group (ERG) of Tory MPs to bring Ms May’s ‘Chequers’ deal down, something that could well lead to her fall.

Many ERG members back Boris Johnson as a future leader, and with Sir Lynton also having run two successful mayoral campaigns for him, the strategist’s appearance now is seen as a sign of growing momentum behind the ex-foreign secretary’s ambitions.

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It came as Ms May attempted to stiffen her support among Brexiteers – who think her plans will keep the UK too closely aligned with Brussels, by saying she will not be pushed around by the EU in negotiations and repeating her vow to deliver on the 2016 referendum.

Sir Lynton, who also advised Tory leaders in the 2015 election victory and last year’s shock poll when the Tories lost their majority, has sent a senior member of his firm CTF Partners to work with the ERG, The Sunday Times reported.

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The newspaper reports that one option is to revive the campaign group Change Britain, with some seeing it as possible future platform for a Mr Johnson leadership drive.

But senior Tory sources were said to have warned that Mr Johnson’s leadership ambitions were destabilising Brexit and could lead to it falling through altogether.

The Sunday Times also reported that PM’s aides have held talks with senior civil servants about whether to call a general election if a Brexit deal is rejected by MPs.

With Brussels demanding further compromise, and a significant number on her own benches set to vote the deal down, let alone Labour, the odds are stacking up against Ms May’s deal passing through parliament.

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But the Prime Minister remained defiant and stood by her plan, writing in the Sunday Telegraph: “I will not be pushed into accepting compromises on the Chequers proposals that are not in our national interest.”

The PM also dismissed calls for a “People’s Vote” on the terms of withdrawal.

She said: “To ask the question all over again would be a gross betrayal of our democracy.”

The Independent has been running its own campaign for a Final Say referendum on whatever the outcome of Brexit is with almost three quarters of a million people having signed the petition.

Ms May also said Britain would get through a no-deal outcome and “thrive”.

But in the same newspaper high-profile Tory MP Nick Boles, who backed Remain at the referendum, came out against the Chequers deal.

He wrote that under current the plans, the UK faces “the humiliation of a deal dictated by Brussels”, which is treating the Chequers proposals as an “opening bid”

Whereas Labour is facing yet another no-confidence vote in Comrade Corbachev, and a party split when the moderates inevitably don't get their way because Momentum stuffed the ballots again.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/poli...plan-new-political-party-anti-semitism-crisis

THE LABOUR Party is in a fresh crisis after details emerged of a planned coup against Jeremy Corbyn via a vote of no confidence to aid a plot to form a new political party backed by opposition MPs.
By DAN FALVEY
PUBLISHED: 00:40, Sun, Sep 2, 2018 | UPDATED: 05:01, Sun, Sep 2, 2018

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Jeremy Corbyn faces a coup as MPs plot to form new political party (Image: GETTY)
Moderate MPs are hoping a no-confidence vote will help MPs feel safe in expressing their anger at the party’s leadership.

According to the Sunday Times, they hope the vote will give MPs the chance to see they are not alone in their frustrations and will give them the confidence to then quit the party and form a breakaway.

Shadow chancellor John McDonnell has said he is "worried and saddened" at the prospect of a split in Labour.

Mr McDonnell told the New Statesman: "Yes, I think there are people who are willing to leave the party.

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"I think I'm saddened by that. I really am saddened and I'm disappointed."

The plan to undermine the Labour leader is understood to have originated from MPs’ frustration at Mr Corbyn’s failure to tackle accusations of anti-Semitism within the party.

In July, Labour refused to back to full definition of anti-Semitism as set out by the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance, causing outrage among party members.

Since then dozens of allegations of anti-Semitism have plague Labour.

John McDonnell has admitted he is 'worried' by the prospect of a Labour split (Image: GETTY)

Veteran MP Frank Field resigned the Labour whip on Thursday (Image: GETTY)
Referring to concerns over anti-Semitism, Brexit and MPs' careers, Mr McDonnell said: "If those are the issues that people want to split on, these are all issues which can be dealt with within the party.

"And I don't see them as fundamental issues that would encourage a split because there are opportunities for people not just to express their views but actually sometimes to win the argument as well.

"So, I don't understand why there is this sort of pre-emptive move to split off.”

On Thursday veteran Labour MP Frank Fields resigned the Labour whip, after accusing the leadership of presiding over a party which is becoming a "force for anti-Semitism".

Following his decision, Ilford South MP Mike Gapes, who has served for 26 years, also threatened to quit.

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Speaking out against the culture within Labour under Mr Corbyn, Mr Gapes said: “I am agonising every day about the situation and the state of the Labour Party.

“I will make my own decision about how I deal with this in my own time.”

MPs last triggered a no-confidence vote against Mr Corbyn after the June 2016 EU referendum.

On that occasion the left-wing leader brushed aside a 172 to 40 defeat, insisting his mandate from grassroots members was more important.

In a plea to those considering quitting the party, Mr McDonnell said: “I think that open door is always there to prevent that happening, because any split is automatically damaging."

Even John 'I <3 the IRA' McDonnell is shitting bricks at this thought, so you know it's imminent.

 

[TowinKarz]

So Bunker Busters?

Anybody got an unused Tall Boy in their garage that used to belong to dear old Grandpa when he was in the Home Guard?

 

[Keep Yourself Safe]

Can't wait for Comrade Corbyn to become Chairman of the Supreme Soviet of Great Britain.

Pictured: The Supreme Leader showing how he feels about Israel and the EU.

 

[DangerousGas]

Boris is an arse. He's funny to watch, but is so incoherent he'd be flip-flopping all over the place far more than even May has managed. He's like a labrador with ADHD. The fact that he can quote classics does not directly correlate with intelligence, and I really wish more people would see that. Sure, it's impressive, being able to recite the works of plato, but an mp3 player can do that. He's never been able to give a straight answer with the slightest hint of consistency in his reasoning in his entire career, AFAIK.

Rees-Mogg really doesn't sit right with me, but at least he can retain a train of thought and carry it through.

Corbyn can just fuck off at this point. He was a good foil to Cameron, but his usefulness has long since evaporated.

 

[PS1gamenwatch]

I guess when Brexit happens, it won't be Brexit but Bre-boot. We don't need that shit here, leave.

 

[QB 290]

Reason number 5,000,000 to nuke London

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

So, according to a friend who's a pharmacist, the UK is planning to punish people who stockpile important medicine... looks like even the UK is preparing for Brexit to be a fucking desaster and this seems to indicate that a lot of people are getting squirmy.

 

[DangerousGas]

So, according to a friend who's a pharmacist, the UK is planning to punish people who stockpile important medicine... looks like even the UK is preparing for Brexit to be a fucking desaster and this seems to indicate that a lot of people are getting squirmy.

Whether they voted for or against, no-one is in favour of a no-deal brexit. That's entirely an invention of May.

 

[Chaos Theorist]

So, according to a friend who's a pharmacist, the UK is planning to punish people who stockpile important medicine... looks like even the UK is preparing for Brexit to be a fucking desaster and this seems to indicate that a lot of people are getting squirmy.

I expect actual riots if they fuck up getting stock to the supermarkets or cause mass employment with the current Job Centre situation

 

[whatever I feel like]

Yes, a wishy washy meet in the middle political party. That is surely what the general populous wants. Prepare for an even stronger Conservative majority, elected on an even smaller share of the vote, in that case. This isn't France where you can go against FN in the run off, divvying up your share of the pie between multiple parties is a total dinosaur move. The "moderate" faction should just fuck off to the Lib Dems in that case, as they did forty years ago.

 

[JohnDoe]

A big problem is that ever since the Brexit referendum the government has proved itself to be spineless and incompetent. There were only two viable options after that vote:
1) Give the people what they demanded and sever with the EU immediately
2) Tell the people "NO" in the most alpha-Chad way possible
Instead they decided to drag their feet, ask for more referendums (keep voting until you get something we'd like!) which undermines democracy and shows they are too spineless for (2) as above, keep crafting 'compromises' that don't meet the primary goal and generally just fuck up left right and center with no clear loyalty.

Everybody knows that a democracy has a number of weaknesses, but the UK government has been actively sabotaging their own credibility.

 

[BrunoMattei]

Weren't they supposed to leave the EU already?

 

[Malagor the dank omen]

Yeah, they were supposed to leave the EU spring this year, deal reached or not.
But they not leaving benefits both parties: the EU stays united and the UK doesn't have to pay the EU a bucketload of dosh for leaving without a deal

 

[JohnDoe]

Yeah, they were supposed to leave the EU spring this year, deal reached or not.
But they not leaving benefits both parties: the EU stays united and the UK doesn't have to pay the EU a bucketload of dosh for leaving without a deal

Is that really the case? It always sounded like propaganda floated by the globalists.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

1) Give the people what they demanded and sever with the EU immediately

This never was an option. There are a shitload of international treaties that need to be sorted out first. That is what is being done right now - to a rather unsatisfactory conclusion as you can see. And even assuming that severing things "immediately" had been policically even possible, it would have been a complete desaster for the UK, politically, economically and socially. There is literally no aspect of the brit's daily life that would not have been fucked raw with a cactus.

Instead they decided to drag their feet, ask for more referendums (keep voting until you get something we'd like!)

This never happened. There was precisely one referendum and the goverment acted upon it.
They are doing a piss poor job of it, but they respect the referendum all the same.

Weren't they supposed to leave the EU already?

and

Yeah, they were supposed to leave the EU spring this year, deal reached or not.

Nope. The phase to get everything sorted out before someone leaves the EU is scheduled to be 2 years in length (which is more than sensible, since a shitton of stuff has to be sorted out), so the planned date is -and always was- somewhere next spring around march.

 

[JohnDoe]

This never was an option.

If the UK is sovereign, it is. That is the definition of sovereign, and to state otherwise to cede authority and accept the yoke of vassaldom.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

If the UK is sovereign, it is. That is the definition of sovereign, and to state otherwise to cede authority and accept the yoke of vassaldom.

Even a sovereign nation has to adhere to and respect treaties that it has signed and can't just throw them into the garbage whenever they want the moment they want. They are expressing their sovereignity by leaving the EU, yet they have to play by the rules that they accepted when they joined.

That being said:
The UK and the EU are intertwined to a very high degree on pretty much every level.
Had they left with immediate effect, the residency and visa status of every EU citizen in the UK and vice versa would have been void until a new treaty is being made. Every border would have been closed (including the one on Ireland, carrying the high risk of inflaming a new conflict on the island). Economical partnerships would have been rendered inoperable. Money flows between the governments of the UK and the EU, that needs to be sorted out. Brexit is going to cost a lot of money and the cost needs to be split one way or the other.
As I said, there's apparently going to be an issue with obtaining certain medicine in the future (or at least a few important people fear that) and that is with over a year of back and forth between the UK and EU.

Whatever way you look at it, it would have been a desaster, insanely stupid and there would have been no reason and no advantage to do this. No matter how "sovereign" the UK is. To say otherwise just underestimates the complexity of international treaties such as this.

Need I remind you, the "worst case scenario" that is looming over the UK's head right now is a "Hard Brexit". Some aspects, such as residency status and the situation on Ireland have reached agreements, so there's at least that. Leaving immediately would have been even worse.

 

[HG 400]

Even a sovereign nation has to adhere to and respect treaties that it has signed

lmfao what world are you living in?

 

[Bad Times]

The funniest part is London is still a shithole.

Can't even get one city right. Might as well throw shit at the wall to see what sticks at the moment.

 

[JohnDoe]

Even a sovereign nation has to adhere to and respect treaties that it has signed and can't just throw them into the garbage whenever they want the moment they want. They are expressing their sovereignity by leaving the EU, yet they have to play by the rules that they accepted when they joined.

The bitter reality is that the UK can do as much as their military and economic power allow.

Had they left with immediate effect, the residency and visa status of every EU citizen in the UK and vice versa would have been void until a new treaty is being made. Every border would have been closed (including the one on Ireland, carrying the high risk of inflaming a new conflict on the island).

So you're saying the UK might have to deport people? Sounds like good practice for dumping all those migrants back into Africa.

Economical partnerships would have been rendered inoperable. Money flows between the governments of the UK and the EU, that needs to be sorted out. Brexit is going to cost a lot of money and the cost needs to be split one way or the other.

Brussels can field an army or try to seize British assets held within EU territories, assuming the member states agree that the claims are valid and must be enforced.

As I said, there's apparently going to be an issue with obtaining certain medicine in the future (or at least a few important people fear that) and that is with over a year of back and forth between the UK and EU.

You know who produces a lot of pharmaceuticals and would love to chaos bomb the EU by giving the UK ridiculously favorable trade agreements?

Whatever way you look at it, it would have been a desaster, insanely stupid and there would have been no reason and no advantage to do this. No matter how "sovereign" the UK is. To say otherwise just underestimates the complexity of international treaties such as this.

Need I remind you, the "worst case scenario" that is looming over the UK's head right now is a "Hard Brexit". Some aspects, such as residency status and the situation on Ireland have reached agreements, so there's at least that. Leaving immediately would have been even worse.

Something being complex or unpleasant does not mean impossible. Take it from the Americans, they've given forcible separation a try twice and know both sides of the outcome.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

lmfao what world are you living in?

The one without baby-stealing Dingos, mate.

The bitter reality is that the UK can do as much as their military and economic power allow.

Well, I guess we can agree that any decision that necessitates UK flexing its military muscles would be a pretty dire situation and an absolutely unnecessary escalation of the previous situation. They would be completely politically isolated afterwards - and it goes without saying, that's not an option.

So you're saying the UK might have to deport people?

Yeah. Professors, Doctors, executives in banks and companies, foreign experts, researchers, teachers... there's a lot of people from all sorts of backgrounds in the UK that are there on behalf of a university, company or the goverment itself to help them in various ways. People whom they have brought to their nation cause they need some expertise or work that they don't have on their disposal otherwise.
When I said that your suggestion would fuck over UK's society on every level, I was not exaggerating.

Brussels can field an army or try to seize British assets held within EU territories, assuming the member states agree.

Why should the UK escalate the Brexit to a point where nations start seizing each other's property, though? I can't help but feel that this highlights exactly why your suggestion is not politically possible. Or should I say: Not possible without desastrous ramifications? Sure, UK could have exited the EU by nuking itself back into the stoneage, that doesn't make that option viable or smart.

You know who produces a lot of pharmaceuticals and would love to chaos bomb the EU by giving the UK ridiculously favorable trade agreements?

Yeah. Too bad they already decided against that. Trump has already told May that he's not going to give her any neat trade agreements if she doesn't meet his specific """recommendations""" to a t.
How's that for sovereignity, anyway?