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[Steamboat_Bill]

Not to get too far off-topic, but I honestly think the Woke Left as a whole is the result of natural outrage the Millennials had over the Great Recession and the old Religious Right of their youths colliding with Cold War era "active measures" that eventually became self-sustaining.

Keep in mind that Yuri Bezemenov mentioned that the KGB intended for their infiltration efforts to become self-sustaining after a certain point. It's possible that programs that began in the 60's and 70's could've kept on going by themselves after the Soviet Union fell.

Plus there's the issue of China picking up where the USSR left off, since the CCP placed a bigger emphasis on deception and subversion than the Soviets did. A lot of the corporations that control this country de facto are also deeply in bed with the Chinese government since it's a very lucrative market.

You know, the Soviet infiltrators were known for being very easy to spot...

 

[Syaoran Li]

You know, the Soviet infiltrators were known for being very easy to spot...

Assuming you're not being sarcastic, there's a reason why they only successfully infiltrated academia and the media in America and why it didn't become apparent for the rest of the nation until long after the Cold War ended

Academia in the 1960's was already heavily left-leaning and had a disdain for the conservative Protestant culture of the rest of the country. The disdain and resentment made it easier for commie infiltration.

The media was in a similar position as well.

Traditionalist Protestant moral conservatives basically screwed the pooch for all of us since there's entire generations who can't grasp the concept of left-wing moral authoritarians. The rise of the Religious Right in the 80's and 90's and their close alliance with the neocon movement in the Bush years only made that issue a lot worse.

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

Assuming you're not being sarcastic, there's a reason why they only successfully infiltrated academia and the media in America and why it didn't become apparent for the rest of the nation until long after the Cold War ended

Academia in the 1960's was already heavily left-leaning and had a disdain for the conservative Protestant culture of the rest of the country. The disdain and resentment made it easier for commie infiltration.

The media was in a similar position as well.

Traditionalist Protestant moral conservatives basically screwed the pooch for all of us since there's entire generations who can't grasp the concept of left-wing moral authoritarians. The rise of the Religious Right in the 80's and 90's and their close alliance with the neocon movement in the Bush years only made that issue a lot worse.

Yes, it was sarcasm. When the Soviets tried to infiltrate trade unions the people running them could spot them a mile away.

Do you know who Sam Marcy and Bob Avakian are, incidentally?

 

[Syaoran Li]

Yes, it was sarcasm. When the Soviets tried to infiltrate trade unions the people running them could spot them a mile away.

Do you know who Sam Marcy and Bob Avakian are, incidentally?

I do,

Sam Marcy was the leader of the Workers World Party back in the 60's and 70's and Bob Avakian was with the SDS and Weather Underground.

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

I do,

Sam Marcy was the leader of the Workers World Party back in the 60's and 70's and Bob Avakian was with the SDS and Weather Underground.

Then you know why I don't fear Communists. They don't appeal to anyone who doesn't have the same ideological basis as them, and they are absolutely terrible at propagating their ideas. If you've met the Bob Avakian people, you know what I mean.

 

[Syaoran Li]

Then you know why I don't fear Communists. They don't appeal to anyone who doesn't have the same ideological basis as them, and they are absolutely terrible at propagating their ideas. If you've met the Bob Avakian people, you know what I mean.

I think the only reason why they got as successful as they did this go round is because a lot of Millennials got indoctrinated in college and because the Religious Right really shat the bed hard back in the 2000's with their austere moral conservatism

Most of all, it's because the neoliberal corporate bigwigs view them as useful idiots and give them power, same as the neocon corporatists did with the Religious Right back in the day

 

[Berrakh]

Maybe people's legitimate distaste for the government's actions was co-opted by communist agents? Or is that too bigbrained for tvtropes?

 

[AnOminous]

Yes, it was sarcasm. When the Soviets tried to infiltrate trade unions the people running them could spot them a mile away.

Do you know who Sam Marcy and Bob Avakian are, incidentally?

I hate the WWP and RCP so fucking much.

Then you know why I don't fear Communists.

I am a little more concerned with the RCP types who have always been involved in traditional left-wing but not overtly commie protests like those against both Iraq wars. They make themselves somewhat useful in organizing things like busing people there and back and ensuring the actual human transportation necessary for large scale protests goes well.

And then they inevitably hijack the proceedings for some kind of fundraising for terrorists like Hezbollah. I mean this shit happens every time. Obviously the solution is go there on your own dime or take their free ride and then cause a ruckus against their inevitable commie bullshit.

But this is always a thing in the rare protests these days that are actually against something worth protesting, like an unnecessary war. Notice how all the war protesting went away when Obama was President? Even though he started a few. I forgot, we don't call them wars now.

 

[Berrakh]

Maybe people's legitimate distaste for the government's actions was co-opted by communist agents? Or is that too bigbrained for tvtropes?

Thinking about this more this is a pretty good case that these people are Commie Simps. They reflexvely believe the KGB was not coopting legitimate protest movements but they think the CIA's involvement with anything makes it illegitimate at the same time. So, in a subtle way that even they are unaware of, they think that the KGB is more honorable than the CIA.

 

[Chin of Campbell]

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[Berrakh]

The term Mary Sue is kinda bad though. Not because it's SEXIST but because it's one of those terms that people use loosely when accusing and strictly when defending. Like Rey does have flaws but they're very gemeric and calculated to just engender more sympathy or identification. They're not risky while Luke was at least whiny and had someone cool like Han to steal his thunder a little.
I remember Moviebob and many others saying that Rey's flaw is she overcorrects past mistakes. Which is a pretty generic flaw for a protagonist to have. Think about how many protagonists have that flaw. It' s a lot because it's easy to write drama with.
And tbh, saying that the criticism of Rey is sexist because Luke went through the same arc is such an amazing own goal. Imagine bickering with retards online just to get them to admit that Rey is still not a good character because she's derivative.
To me this has always been the most decisive factor for me disliking a character: if even granting the other side's arguments doesn't make me like them. Other characters I usually don't like but don't dislike either. They just don't connect for me but I understand what people could like or what the creators were trying to do. They're not inherently flawed or broken at the foundation for me.

 

[NerdShamer]

@Berrakh Star Wars went to shit as soon as it was leased out to the comic book writers.

 

[Berrakh]

@Berrakh Star Wars went to shit as soon as it was leased out to the comic book writers.

Star Wars was always doomed because one side is autistic as fuck and thinks their Fictional Space Fact Checklist constitutes real criticism of a story. And the other is cringe and thinks their Insectionali Trope Checklist constitutes good writing.

 

[NerdShamer]

Star Wars was always doomed because one side is autistic as fuck and thinks their Fictional Space Fact Checklist constitutes real criticism of a story. And the other is cringe and thinks their Insectionali Trope Checklist constitutes good writing.

No, I was talking about Lucas popping a boner over the Ewoks after ROTJ. But I'm not surprised that the fanbase is a sperg magnet.

 

[Flaming Insignias]

The term Mary Sue is kinda bad though. Not because it's SEXIST but because it's one of those terms that people use loosely when accusing and strictly when defending. Like Rey does have flaws but they're very gemeric and calculated to just engender more sympathy or identification. They're not risky while Luke was at least whiny and had someone cool like Han to steal his thunder a little.
I remember Moviebob and many others saying that Rey's flaw is she overcorrects past mistakes. Which is a pretty generic flaw for a protagonist to have. Think about how many protagonists have that flaw. It' s a lot because it's easy to write drama with.
And tbh, saying that the criticism of Rey is sexist because Luke went through the same arc is such an amazing own goal. Imagine bickering with retards online just to get them to admit that Rey is still not a good character because she's derivative.
To me this has always been the most decisive factor for me disliking a character: if even granting the other side's arguments doesn't make me like them. Other characters I usually don't like but don't dislike either. They just don't connect for me but I understand what people could like or what the creators were trying to do. They're not inherently flawed or broken at the foundation for me.

Technically speaking, a lot of Mary Sues do have attempts to try to depict them as flawed. However, said flaws are typically negligible or backhanded flaws such as “too nice and too beautiful.” Either way, the flat character arc with minimal challenge both physically and psychologically is considered the key indicator of what makes a Mary Sue character.

 

[Berrakh]

Technically speaking, a lot of Mary Sues do have attempts to try to depict them as flawed. However, said flaws are typically negligible or backhanded flaws such as “too nice and too beautiful.” Either way, the flat character arc with minimal challenge both physically and psychologically is considered the key indicator of what makes a Mary Sue character.

Yes. This. There needs to be a term for flaws which are backhanded as you say. The equivalent of saying "sometimes I work too hard" when an interviewer asks you about your weaknesses. That's what I was getting at. People defending a Sue point to these sorts of token flaws. And sometimes some characters are disingenuously called Mary Sues because they're presented as a paragon in some respects. Usually they aren't the main characters or the sole focus of the story. Nobody calls Gandalf a Mary Sue for this reason.

No, I was talking about Lucas popping a boner over the Ewoks after ROTJ. But I'm not surprised that the fanbase is a sperg magnet.

I meant when it left his control. It has an infantile following. I basically just summed up the fandom war spawned by the sequels. The latter group did needlessly defend the sequel trilogy but it's partly motivated by a healthy skepticism of the former, who largely criticized it.

 

[The Cunting Death]

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HAHAHAHAHA GO FUCK YOURSELVES

What a load of horseshit
If anything, I saw RENEWED interest in that term, even among normalfags
Whoever wrote that, drink bleach

 

[NerdShamer]

Cabin fever is hitting TVT pretty hard.

 

[Shaka Brah]

Maybe people's legitimate distaste for the government's actions was co-opted by communist agents? Or is that too bigbrained for tvtropes?

Neolibs and Neocons managed to turn the legitimate anger against Jewish Neoconservatism and globalist interventionism into anger towards anti-interventionist and largely White political institutions. It's really one of the most impressive scams in American political history.

Cabin fever is hitting TVT pretty hard.

The mods locked the thread and banned the only person with any sense, of course. No reason to allow the truth to get in the way of apocalyptic screaming.

 

[NerdShamer]

The mods locked the thread and banned the only person with any sense, of course. No reason to allow the truth to get in the way of apocalyptic screaming.

TvTropes: "HA HA! GOVT. PRINTING MACHINE WENT BRRRRRR!"


Yeah, you can't keep doing this. I guess never heard of inflation.