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Found this on the Danger Mouse page...
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Are you kidding me? As far as I know about this male gaze thing, I thought that was when the camera focuses on women CONSTANTLY, in a SEXUAL way. This example clearly doesn't fit that. Whoever edited this in is either so wokeness obsessed that he inserts that obsession in places out of context, or so creepy that he got sexually aroused at that scene and isn't self-aware that nobody else would have that reaction.

"Probably unintentional", then don't bother putting it in if the tiny part of your brain not afflicted by decay signals to you that your inference doesn't entirely add up.

I'm leaning towards the latter, I don't think even progressivism-preoccupied hardliners would be that stupid to read a sexual meaning into that at all. TV Tropes does have quite a reputation for sexual deviancy anyhow...
 
Jack Haywood said:
This example clearly doesn't fit that. Whoever edited this in is either so wokeness obsessed that he inserts that obsession in places out of context, or so creepy that he got sexually aroused at that scene and isn't self-aware that nobody else would have that reaction.
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I'm going with the latter. Whoever wrote that probably has porn of his weird fucking ship or has personally made it in MS Paint. I wouldn't rule out both, that he is super woke and also a completely autistic pervert.
 
Jack Haywood said:
Found this on the Danger Mouse page...
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Are you kidding me? As far as I know about this male gaze thing, I thought that was when the camera focuses on women CONSTANTLY, in a SEXUAL way. This example clearly doesn't fit that. Whoever edited this in is either so wokeness obsessed that he inserts that obsession in places out of context, or so creepy that he got sexually aroused at that scene and isn't self-aware that nobody else would have that reaction.

"Probably unintentional", then don't bother putting it in if the tiny part of your brain not afflicted by decay signals to you that your inference doesn't entirely add up.

I'm leaning towards the latter, I don't think even progressivism-preoccupied hardliners would be that stupid to read a sexual meaning into that at all. TV Tropes does have quite a reputation for sexual deviancy anyhow...
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They'll lust after anything, if Fetish Fuel was anything to go by.
 
Is it possible that so many tropers are 'woke' because they feel guilty about their own sexual desires?A sense of shame is making them be too woke while at the same time wanting stuff that is clearly out there or illegal.
 
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Are they supporting blackwashing?:story: And again with the "muh extremely problematic "gay" character!".
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I don't know if Nigger Isaac or Feminist Carmilla was more frustrating. Why not just give them new names? Neither of them were even the same character. I don't think anyone would have thrown a fit if Isaac didn't show up, nobody but me gives a fuck about Curse of Darkness anyway.
 
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Katy Perry / YMMV - TV Tropes

Alternate Aesop Interpretation: "E.T.": Multicultural relationships are ok, or Rape Is Love? This mainly depends on whether or not you're listening to the Kanye West version. The party line for "Chained To The Rhythm" and "Witness" is "becoming …
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As expected 'Ur so gay' and 'I kissed a girl' are not woke.I always thought I kissed a girl would be acceptable to the gay community.Then again i never listened to closely too the lyrics.
 
iafiv said:
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Katy Perry / YMMV - TV Tropes

Alternate Aesop Interpretation: "E.T.": Multicultural relationships are ok, or Rape Is Love? This mainly depends on whether or not you're listening to the Kanye West version. The party line for "Chained To The Rhythm" and "Witness" is "becoming …
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As expected 'Ur so gay' and 'I kissed a girl' are not woke.I always thought I kissed a girl would be acceptable to the gay community.Then again i never listened to closely too the lyrics.
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People caught on to Katy's virtue signalling pretty quick. Even at the time a lot of folk in the LGBT community were pissed she was trying to piggy back their movement with that shitty song.
 
Apparently a story written 800 years ago is not woke enough for TVTropes, and thus, cannot be enjoyed.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/YMMV/ArabianNights

Values Dissonance: Like crazy. Many/most of the stories portray women as devious, immoral, unfaithful, foolish, and untrustworthy, and there's something of an obsession with women cheating on their husbands with black men, as if that's particularly egregious. Beating one's wife is treated as acceptable and even laudable. It's not uncommon for male characters to have sex with women who aren't their wives, and this isn't treated as morally objectionable, whereas a woman cheating is treated as a justly capital offense.
  • One notable instance is in the fourth voyage of Sinbad, in which he murders and robs innocent people for their food and jewelry to survive a little while longer in a pit. He apparently didn't even bother to look for an escape, seeing as he easily finds one later, just by following a wild animal that was snacking on all the corpses.
  • Another one being the story of a King discovering his wife was cheating on him with what later translations claim to be the ugliest man on earth. Apparently more accurate translations were simply that she was cheating on him with a black slave.
  • In one story, a man murders his wife after concluding, after a comment from a random person on the street (who has an apple that her husband travelled a great distance to give to her), that she's unfaithful to him. Immediately after this, he learns that he was wrong. When the sultan learns of the murder and the man tells him this story, the sultan orders the death of the man who falsely claimed the wife was cheating, but appoints the murderer to a high position.
  • On the other hand, in the first section of the King 'Umar ibn al-Nu'man stories we meet a group of warrior women whose leader can fight a warrior prince to a stalemate... She is then drugged and raped by the King, so she flees in 'dishonour'. So close to being ahead of its time.
  • For that matter, the framing device of the three years before Scheherezade marries the king. At no point is Shahryar called out on the fact that he's killed a thousand innocent women, just because he was deceived by one, nor does he ever admit he was wrong or try to atone. And we're supposed to be happy that Scheherezade ends up with him!
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Apparently a story written 800 years is not woke enough for TVTropes, and thus, cannot be enjoyed.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/YMMV/ArabianNights
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Double irony when you consider how woke a lot of TV Tropers are and how many woke people white knight Arabs (especially the Muslim ones) even though this story would have been perfectly in tune with the culture and times of Arabic culture (and again, Arabic Muslims), as the majority of the work itself was created during the Islamic Golden age of the Abbasid Caliphate. (from 7th-12th century AD)
 
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If Arabian nights is not woke enough then pretty much everything made before 2008 is unacceptable.Its not like european culture was 'woke circa 1000'.Tropers should be more focused on how the actions portray the attitudes of the time and why.For example why would cheating by a woman be treated in such a negative way not the fact that its treated badly should count.Why were people back then so 'offended' by this?Instead of mentioning how they were 'offended' its a lot better to focus on the 'why' and what did people in the past think about this stuff how did they end up thinking that.But that would demand tropers actually know things like history and culture beyond the surface level.If you really want to analyse past culture starting with 'this culture sucked because they didn't think like us' doesn't tell you anything.Plus isn't the framing device of Arabian nights a wife telling her king husband who is killing people for no reason a story each night to postpone her execution?So the framing device could actually be considered sorta progressive since it subtly implies that maybe murder is not a solution to marital problems??
 
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I was reading some TV tropes entries about the Nightmare on Elm Street series.

Holy shit, the page on the second one is just full of stupid.

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  • It's not hard to argue that the entire sequence leading up to Schneider's death was a shared dream created by Freddy, possibly with some sleep-walking involved to get the participants to the gym showers at the end. The entire sequence does play out like a sexual fantasy between two closeted gay men: the younger goes to a gay bar, where his coach is waiting to "punish" him for underaged drinking. This interpretation changes Schneider from a predator to a gay man who sometimes fantasizes about younger men. It also makes his death far more horrifying, as you realize that he likely believed he was being punished for his sexual desires.
  • Is Jessie gay? Or is he someone with deep rooted psycho-sexual issues as a result of his tumultuous relationship with his father? His running away from making out with Lisa could alternately be interpreted as him being afraid of intimacy due to associating sex with violence.
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Maybe the gay rapist coach was actually innocent guys! That poor, poor man! Also some "this troper" one handed typing going on there?

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    : Lisa Webber. Initially, she was The Scrappy purely for her association with the film, but recent years have turned her into a far more divisive character. Some franchise fans feel that, despite this film's flaws, Lisa stands out as a likeable and tough Final Girl who defeats Freddy. On the other hand, quite a few fans dislike Lisa for her clumsy involvement with the Homoerotic Subtext and, in particular, taking the co-lead role fromGrady, who most fans would agree had a closer relationship with Jesse and who definitely fits in better with the previously mentioned subtext. Really, whether or not one likes her comes down to what one thinks about the incredibly divisive Homoerotic Subtext. If the person liked it, they'll probably dislike Lisa. If they disliked it, she'll be seen as a saving grace of the movie. Actually, it is possible to like both the homoerotic subtext and Lisa. The ending can be allegorically interpreted as her seeing Jesse for who he really is, and showing him love anyway. Maybe she's attracted to him, but it doesn't matter, she'd rather him be gay and happy than closeted and miserable.
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OK, so this is all the work of one gay troper right? I saw the second nightmare on elm street, and I don't remember it being super gay...

Critical backlash meaning, in this case, "I personally don't like it because everything is about gay people and must reflect current year views."

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    : Many gay horror fans have claimed the movie as their own, with Jesse's sexual confusion reflecting their experiences.
    [*]Germans Love David Hasselhoff: The film was extremely well-received in Europe, as residents of those countries caught (and loved) the sexual overtones. This overseas popularity is what convinced producers that they had a profitable franchise on their hands.
    [*]Ho Yay: Whatever the people may think of the movie, it's definitely the most homoerotic Elm Streetfilm to date, and one of the gayest horror movies ever made.
    • In the Nightmare documentary Never Sleep Again, the subject is talked about at length. It reveals that the writer actually did it on purpose, but not even the producer realized it until it was too late. Robert Englund has gone on record saying that he thinks that Freddy in this film represents Jesse's repressed homosexual desires. Mark Patton (who played Jesse) came out as gay after the film was released, and thinks that his self-doubts about his sexuality at the time the movie was shot carried over into his performance. A lot of other people have commented on it, too:
    • The Glitter Dome can attest to that.
    • Tim Dirk's Filmsite.org is more intellectual in its analysis, but the homoerotic content is spelled out even further.
    • This funny recut of a scene in the film actually makes it look like a teen drama about someone coming to terms with his sexuality.
    [*]Sophomore Slump: While it's not generally regarded as the worst film in the series (Freddy's Dead: The Final Nightmare and the remake are widely regarded as being far worse, and a fair few also consider the fourth and fifthfilms to be worse), it's still considered noticeably weaker than the films either side of it. While the Homoerotic Subtext is now often seen as a strength of the film rather than something to be mocked, criticisms remain about this film's tenuous connection to the first, Jesse not being a particularly effective or interesting protagonist without reaching into said subtext, the silly nature of Coach Schneider's death, some of the film's other Jump Scaremoments, and the climatic party massacre feeling more like something from a Halloween or Friday the 13th film.
    [*]Values Dissonance: By 80's standards, Jesse is a textbook case of what was regarded as a closeted homosexual. However, over 30 years later, due to comparatively greater tolerance and understanding of homosexuality, especially in regards to most people knowing gays can run the same range of personalities as straight people, and the subtext of the film comes off as more of a parody than anything else.
    [*]Vindicated by History: Of a sorts. While it’s not as highly ranked as some of the other sequels, it has been viewed more favorably in recent years as one of the better entries, with many praising it for still keeping Freddy as an intimidating and creepy force, some impressive gore effects, and even some enjoy it for what they see as an allegory for opening up to your sexuality. It helps too regarding the former point since the later sequels suffered from making Freddy too comedic to take seriously.
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@GethN7 do you find rogue tropers often do something like this and make an entries page all about their dumb gay thing?


Holy shit, not just the one dude I guess, the gays have decided the second freddy kreuger movie is about them. The homoerotic subtext is a strength. Of the second movie about freddy kreuger. Jesus...
 
Corbin Dallas Multipass said:
I was reading some TV tropes entries about the Nightmare on Elm Street series.

Holy shit, the page on the second one is just full of stupid.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AlternativeCharacterInterpretation
Maybe the gay rapist coach was actually innocent guys! That poor, poor man! Also some "this troper" one handed typing going on there?

OK, so this is all the work of one gay troper right? I saw the second nightmare on elm street, and I don't remember it being super gay...

Critical backlash meaning, in this case, "I personally don't like it because everything is about gay people and must reflect current year views."

@GethN7 do you find rogue tropers often do something like this and make an entries page all about their dumb gay thing?


Holy shit, not just the one dude I guess, the gays have decided the second freddy kreuger movie is about them. The homoerotic subtext is a strength. Of the second movie about freddy kreuger. Jesus...
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We've had a few rogue culture warriors show up, but they made themselves pretty obvious and that has tapered off to nothing when it became pretty clear we were not a propaganda arm. Discouraging direct porting of TV Tropes stuff except what you wrote yourself has prevented a lot of this.

Of course, there is likely another reason for this, one that is probably my fault, but it has ironically prevented a lot of cancer.

Early on in ATT's existence, back when I was balls deep in GamerGate, yours truly did a lot of advertising ourselves as a less ideologically motivated alternative to TVT, our firm anti-censorship policy particularly well advertised.

While it immediately served as a crucifix against ideological vampires from one direction, we did attract some of those ancom deviants who write with one hand who thought it was a free for all before we told them to fuck off too, and word on the street has gotten to the point we usually attract the middle of the road types who know to keep their soapbox at home and to type with both hands.

Of course, some of the culture warriors made some good points early on about some of the more fucked up crap (which is why Troper's Tales and Fetish Fuel we elected to keep dead and let it stay dead), and when their complaints were based on sanity, we have given them some consideration insofar as it didn't compromise our site mission to cover anything so long as it was legal to discuss and which we would cover in a dispassionate, ideologically neutral fashion.
 
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