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[Flexo]

All of this just because some people didn't get characters they wanted to be called Complete Monsters? That's some of the most petty bullshit I ever heard, though I guess I'm not too terribly shocked.

So here's the other thing I don't get:
How was it a debate about whether Aku was a complete monster? The opening of the show he literally calls himself "the shape shifting master of evil" how is that NOT a complete monster?

 

[NerdShamer]

So here's the other thing I don't get:
How was it a debate about whether Aku was a complete monster? The opening of the show he literally calls himself "the shape shifting master of evil" how is that NOT a complete monster?

Because he's funny and the "enslaving the galaxy" bit mainly happened off-screen, which used to violate the extremely autistic standards that the site had, at one point

 

[Flexo]

Because he's funny and the "enslaving the galaxy" bit mainly happened off-screen, which used to violate the extremely autistic standards that the site had, at one point

I used to be on there enough I could ALMOST see the point... if the show didn't keep showing on screen his enslavement.

Maybe they should just split it. Complete monster in story and "audience loathing" entries.

 

[From The Uncanny Valley]

it's a fucking Predator spinoff ffs

 

[Flexo]

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it's a fucking Predator spinoff ffs

This also proves none of these people bothered to watch the video but just made assumptions about this. I love how non-committal this all is too. "much of the lead up to the movie's release" like... 1 video?

Or is it because there's like 2 dozen people making 1 video each that's your excuse?

Oh and I decided to check.


yeah, a single 8 min vid on talking about the trailer, than almost double that time giving it a fairly good review.

 

[Flaming Insignias]

Because he's funny and the "enslaving the galaxy" bit mainly happened off-screen, which used to violate the extremely autistic standards that the site had, at one point

The humor thing feels like a fair hangup, but the spirit of the trope makes it hard to decide if a monstrous villain having funny moments makes up for their acts of utter cruelty. Aku's a perfect example, since he alternates between being a silly villain engaging in comedic antics and a downright cruel monster who torments the innocent for shits and giggles, but the truly evil moments always end up being depicted rather seriously compared to things like Aku hiring a minion like normal people order pizza. Alternatively, look at Handsome Jack: spends most of the game engaging in childish jabs and funny conversations that make his evil more over-the-top than truly vile, but stops being very funny at all after you find out he put his own daughter into a tortuous machine to unleash a horrifying monster; from there he murders the leader of the heroic group, kidnaps one of your biggest allies to force her into the torture machine, and spends most of his phone calls afterwards throwing out rather cruel threats against the party and Lilith while preparing to unleash the giant monster instead of talking about buying a living horse made of diamonds and naming it Butt Stallion. You need to ask yourself if the comedic moments get drowned out enough by the evil once you reach the Moral Event Horizon to call a character a Complete Monster.

 

[From The Uncanny Valley]

Imagine needing Moviebob to tell you that Freakazoid is good. Christ.

 

[The Cunting Death]

This also proves none of these people bothered to watch the video but just made assumptions about this. I love how non-committal this all is too. "much of the lead up to the movie's release" like... 1 video?

Or is it because there's like 2 dozen people making 1 video each that's your excuse?

Oh and I decided to check.
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yeah, a single 8 min vid on talking about the trailer, than almost double that time giving it a fairly good review.

For the record they Perma Red Linked him for being too Anti Fandom and negative.

 

[NerdShamer]

You need to ask yourself if the comedic moments get drowned out enough by the evil once you reach the Moral Event Horizon to call a character a Complete Monster.

The guy had conquered just about everything imaginable and he has grown bored with his life. Most of the time, there really isn't much to autistically analyze about that show; at least until it was rebooted.

 

[I Got The...]

I enjoy binging TV Tropes from time to time - so much to read, and there are few things more satisfying than being able to correct someone else's work - but the community is Reddit-level obnoxious and has gotten worse over the years.

 

[WULULULULU]

I enjoy binging TV Tropes from time to time - so much to read, and there are few things more satisfying than being able to correct someone else's work - but the community is Reddit-level obnoxious and has gotten worse over the years.

The users are so brain-rotted that any form of criticism to them is the equivalent of being rude and thus "muh hurting my feelings" resulting in a ban.

 

[Do Not Touch Me Pls]

Well it's one of the very few pages that actually has some QC going on. So, naturally, all the autists are trying their hardest to break in and ruin it through sheer misunderstanding.

They pretty much got me banned from the site because I tried to stop them from getting ridiculous shit up and used ridiculous/minor infractions to justify it. There was some guy back then who proposed something that if it got passed, then a Spongebob or Simpsons villain that's played seriously or a random mobster who killed 3 people before being caught by the police can count, I tried to rebuke it and got pretty much shitted on. Granted that Aku is now up I suppose it were to be qualified.

Also Jew LightySnake got a bunch of stuff overturned after he got kicked out of forums, he insisted God of War's Odin and Zeus cannot count because the former still cared about his children somewhat and the latter is corrupted, but now the thread unanimously voted them up (meanwhile the initial Raven Keeper entry he proposed was shot down, this somewhat I can agree though because the Keeper in GoW:R is so minor that she wouldn't deserve being called a "CM"). I do not know if this was just the whole thread being vindictive.

So here's the other thing I don't get:
How was it a debate about whether Aku was a complete monster? The opening of the show he literally calls himself "the shape shifting master of evil" how is that NOT a complete monster?

Aku is apparently "the living manifestation of evil" and he's played in such a way that it's hard to take seriously. So basically the thread used to treat him like he literally cannot differ good and evil and he's played too ridiculously to be feared or be repulsive.

The very nature of the descriptor is bound to cause these petty disputes, and it feels pointless that it reaches this point anyway. It's not even that hard to make simple yet strong criteria: character is evil, they have committed numerous atrocities without an ounce of regret or justification, and their actions are played completely seriously in the story with it clear that they could never be redeemed even if they tried. It should be for characters like Palpatine, Sauron, or the Joker, and trying to find a way to squeeze every character into it simply because they pass the theoretical point of no return degrades both the concept of a "Moral Event Horizon" and the existence of complete monsters

Precisely this. And the ENTIRE thread will vote that up no matter anything I would say. There are many stuff that I saw got in that was very explicitly not bad enough and I objected but the thread will say I am the rude one anyways.

 

[NerdShamer]

Precisely this. And the ENTIRE thread will vote that up no matter anything I would say. There are many stuff that I saw got in that was very explicitly not bad enough and I objected but the thread will say I am the rude one anyways.

This is why you shouldn't wrestle with pigs, man

 

[Flexo]

Precisely this. And the ENTIRE thread will vote that up no matter anything I would say. There are many stuff that I saw got in that was very explicitly not bad enough and I objected but the thread will say I am the rude one anyways.

Sounds even more like they needed to differentiate between in story monsters and audience reactions. Yeah I can agree that it makes a difference seeing a massacre on screen or not to the audience but it shouldn't within the work.

 

[Gondolindrim]

Sounds even more like they needed to differentiate between in story monsters and audience reactions. Yeah I can agree that it makes a difference seeing a massacre on screen or not to the audience but it shouldn't within the work.

It doesn't help that TVT is full of the same kind of redditors that think villains should be secret good guys with tons of redeeming traits. A villain actually doing villainous things is an instant Complete Monster in their minds.

 

[From The Uncanny Valley]

It doesn't help that TVT is full of the same kind of redditors that think villains should be secret good guys with tons of redeeming traits. A villain actually doing villainous things is an instant Complete Monster in their minds.

Hence why they despise even morally grey protagonists (except for their pet cases)

 

[Gorillion others]

It doesn't help that TVT is full of the same kind of redditors that think villains should be secret good guys with tons of redeeming traits. A villain actually doing villainous things is an instant Complete Monster in their minds.

Hence why they despise even morally grey protagonists (except for their pet cases)

When the autism has surpassed nuclear levels.

 

[Flaming Insignias]

Why the fuck is this a article?

 

[Isaiah Praer]

Why the fuck is this a article?

It gives the trans-identified autists something to obsess on that doesn't depict children or ponies?

 

[Do Not Touch Me Pls]

It doesn't help that TVT is full of the same kind of redditors that think villains should be secret good guys with tons of redeeming traits. A villain actually doing villainous things is an instant Complete Monster in their minds.

The truth is even if they are villains with no redeeming traits doing villainous things doesn't mean they are instant CM, they still have to do something that is remarkably horrific and they aren't intentionally hard to take seriously. The most common example is "a criminal who killed 3 people and a criminal who raped and killed 3 children". There is a difference, but they want me to think otherwise.