TV Tropes community

  • 🏰 The Fediverse is up. If you know, you know.
  • Want to keep track of this thread?
    Accounts can bookmark posts, watch threads for updates, and jump back to where you stopped reading.
    Create account
orwell_vision_of_the_future.png
 
I was reading the YMMV page for Phantasy Star IV earlier today, and came across something incredibly stupid.
1708668683966.png

Translation: "WAH! WAH! WAH! A woman died in a video game! This is sexism at its finest!"

So fucking what? Lots of characters die in media, for lots of reasons. Its like these people can't comprehend that women aren't invulnerable, and their deaths can serve important narrative purposes just as much as any other. It's not like the game downplayed how badass Alys was during the time she was in your party, and her death left a permanent mark on the cast, and potentially the audience as well. It's why Laughter is such an effective boss theme. That shit sounds like raw anger and revenge condensed into music form.

But what exactly was it that killed her? Let's read some more to find out!

1708668925772.png

Wow, so she got shot with a beam of energy that slowly and inevitably kills those caught by it? And you want her to just shrug that shit off like it's nothing, regardless of what the lore dictates? Can you say "Mary Sue"?

But even if I accept the argument that the only reason Alys died was to serve as motivation for the male protagonist. So what? The very first game in the series had Alisa's brother Nero get killed in the introductory cutscene, in order motivate her to go on her quest to kill La Shiec. He quite literally exists for no purpose other than to motivate the protagonist. Why is it okay for a male to die to motivate a female protagonist, but not the other way around?
1708669420474.png
"Distinct plot and motivation" my ass.
 
Last edited:
Book Thief said:
I was reading the YMMV page for Phantasy Star IV earlier today, and came across something incredibly stupid.
View attachment 5748203

Translation: "WAH! WAH! WAH! A woman died in a video game! This is sexism at its finest!"

So fucking what? Lots of characters die in media, for lots of reasons. Its like these people can't comprehend that women aren't invulnerable, and their deaths can serve important narrative purposes just as much as any other. It's not like the game downplayed how badass Alys was during the time she was in your party, and her death left a permanent mark on the cast, and potentially the audience as well. It's why Laughter is such an effective boss theme. That shit sounds like raw anger and revenge condensed into music form.

But what exactly was it that killed her? Let's read some more to find out!

View attachment 5748210

Wow, so she got shot with a beam of energy that slowly and inevitably kills those caught by it? And you want her to just shrug that shit off like it's nothing, regardless of what the lore dictates? Can you say "Mary Sue"?

But even if I accept the argument that the only reason Alys died was to serve as motivation for the male protagonist. So what? The very first game in the series had Alisa's brother Nero get killed in the introductory cutscene, for no purpose other than motivate her to go on her quest to kill La Shiec. He quite literally exists for no purpose other than to motivate the protagonist. Why is it okay for a male to die to motivate a female protagonist, but not the other way around?
View attachment 5748225
Click to expand...
Because a bunch of sweaty-sorry

Because a bunch of "progressives" think anything that depicts women even the slightest bit negatively is problematic, and will be useful to show women that they aren't a bunch of freaks who would be thanking God that a girl would actually talk to them, and also because (since we pretty much have confirmation that feminists are miserable without hot men in the dating scene) feminists would sue the site or tantrum up a storm to not visit it.
 
Gorillion others said:
Because a bunch of sweaty-sorry

Because a bunch of "progressives" think anything that depicts women even the slightest bit negatively is problematic, and will be useful to show women that they aren't a bunch of freaks who would be thanking God that a girl would actually talk to them, and also because (since we pretty much have confirmation that feminists are miserable without hot men in the dating scene) feminists would sue the site or tantrum up a storm to not visit it.
Click to expand...
I'm surprised they're not going after Phantasy Star II, despite having an almost identical plot development, that is killing off a starter female protagonist about 1/3 through the game, while the male lead continues to live on in the spotlight.

I'm just so sick and tired of these people declaring deaths of minorities to be "problematic." Woman dies? "Stuffed in the fridge!" Black character dies? "Black guy dies first!" Gay character dies? "Bury your gays!" These people demand you include these identities in your work, but then restrict your creative freedom to do anything with them that's remotely interesting, resulting in bland and uninteresting Mary Sues all the way down. It's fucking obnoxious.
 
It's always mistaking the symptoms for the disease.

Like the original "fridging" - let's grant that it was bad and stuff. The problem as ever with it was that it was lazy and bad writing. But they don't ever want to look at it as "bad writing" they just keep expanding the label until each and every woman's death is now "fridging" and not to be done.

No. It is fine to kill off a character and to use that to motivate other characters to action. The issue is always whether it was done WELL.
 
Book Thief said:
I was reading the YMMV page for Phantasy Star IV earlier today, and came across something incredibly stupid.
Click to expand...
The YMMV page in general is often just a place for people to push their politics and headcanon without it getting immediately removed like it would on the main page of a work.
 
Book Thief said:
I was reading the YMMV page for Phantasy Star IV earlier today, and came across something incredibly stupid.
View attachment 5748203

Translation: "WAH! WAH! WAH! A woman died in a video game! This is sexism at its finest!"

So fucking what? Lots of characters die in media, for lots of reasons. Its like these people can't comprehend that women aren't invulnerable, and their deaths can serve important narrative purposes just as much as any other. It's not like the game downplayed how badass Alys was during the time she was in your party, and her death left a permanent mark on the cast, and potentially the audience as well. It's why Laughter is such an effective boss theme. That shit sounds like raw anger and revenge condensed into music form.

But what exactly was it that killed her? Let's read some more to find out!

View attachment 5748210

Wow, so she got shot with a beam of energy that slowly and inevitably kills those caught by it? And you want her to just shrug that shit off like it's nothing, regardless of what the lore dictates? Can you say "Mary Sue"?

But even if I accept the argument that the only reason Alys died was to serve as motivation for the male protagonist. So what? The very first game in the series had Alisa's brother Nero get killed in the introductory cutscene, in order motivate her to go on her quest to kill La Shiec. He quite literally exists for no purpose other than to motivate the protagonist. Why is it okay for a male to die to motivate a female protagonist, but not the other way around?
View attachment 5748225
"Distinct plot and motivation" my ass.
Click to expand...
Tropers are unable to understand context. Also getting Zio's ass handed to him was a moment that was worthy going through the emotional journey it triggered, and not to mention Zio was powered by a magical barrier during their first fight. It's a thing that was common for the Phantasy Star games before FF7 did it mainstream with Aerith getting impaled by Sephiroth.

I wonder, had the troper who wrote this nonsense actually played the game? Or just watched a cutscene compilation on jewtube?
 
Super De Quico said:
I wonder, had the troper who wrote this nonsense actually played the game? Or just watched a cutscene compilation on jewtube?
Click to expand...
My guess is that some soylent retro game reviewer had a conniption fit on YouTube over the fact that the game's primary badass heroine bit the dust, completely ignoring any and all context and overall impact on the narrative it had, and the troper wrote that on the YMMV page because they're a brainless NPC who's never played the games themselves. After all, the entry says that Alisa from the first game had a "distinct motivation," even though as I pointed out, she had the exact same motivation that they're accusing Chaz of having.
 
I love when you can tell there was a really big kerfluffle in the past and now no one gets to add to a trope because someone got pissy. For instance, the Mad Max Fury Road page appears to have undergone quite the edit war over the Vuvulini, you know those murderous feminist characters that the movie insisted were the good guys?
1708813423430.png


Granted, I'm not sure what'd be worse since you still see so many "examples" that are clearly just some guy seething about a character he hates.
 
Some tropeniggers decided they should rename "Asskicking Equals Authority" and "Authority Equals Asskicking" because those names were apparently confusing. I think they should all make like whales and krill themselves.
 
I hate that when a page gets deleted the page history also gets deleted. Would it not be too much to ask the tropeniggers to keep on-site archived versions of deleted pages, both for posterity and as examples of what not to make into pages? since they're so gung-ho about letting retards unilaterally ax pages in the name of cleaning up the site?

I miss reading through 'Ron the Death Eater' subpages and laughing at how outlandish the canon characters were written. Too bad some fuckheads decided they and other pages just had to be deleted under their new revisionist rules.
 
NerdShamer said:
Nearly 20 years of existence and the mod team is suddenly unwilling to babysit the American politics thread Almost sounds like an omen for something
Click to expand...
With how its community has always been sycophants to That Guy With The Glasses hacks, and how they've always been pussies who never stood up for anything in the site's life other than its bottom line, I'm not shocked. They also suck the dick of demagogues out of their own disingenuous sense of moral aggrandizing to cover their utter vindictive sociopathy, so there's also that.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom