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Positron said:
Their rule is "there is no such thing as notability"; anyone's Yaoi fapfic is as worthy for inclusion as Tolstoy.
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Well if that's the case, then the "Horrible" subpages for Web Original and Fanfic should have stayed.

But noooooo, they just have to be hypocritical about their "notability" rule.
 
I know I'm late about "LGBT fanbase" but what annoys me about it is that it's less about works that happen to be popular with normal individuals who happen to be gay, lesbian, bi, or trans and more about tumblr's brand of LGBT, which is "I'm non binary/genderfluid/lesbian even though I like dick/trans even though I don't suffer from dysphoria/etc and look how fucking special am I because I feel like I have no personality or interest beyond that!" If it was about the former, then it could be an interesting and informative read. But instead, it has tumblr written all over it which is obnoxious.
 
TheMightyMonarch said:
I know I'm late about "LGBT fanbase" but what annoys me about it is that it's less about works that happen to be popular with normal individuals who happen to be gay, lesbian, bi, or trans and more about tumblr's brand of LGBT, which is "I'm non binary/genderfluid/lesbian even though I like dick/trans even though I don't suffer from dysphoria/etc and look how fucking special am I because I feel like I have no personality or interest beyond that!" If it was about the former, then it could be an interesting and informative read. But instead, it has tumblr written all over it which is obnoxious.
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The former is unrealistic. All gay people MUST have being gay as their only trait, don't you know?
 
"Satan was demonized by Christianity"
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From the South Park "headscratchers" page:
This is a LLOONNGG list of inconsistencies in the Warcraft episode:
  • The boys go to the human starting area to train to fight the Griefer.
    In this episode: The area is full of boars.
    In the actual game: It is full of wolves.
  • They also kill 65,340,285 boars for two months and level up to max level.
    In this episode: They kill low-level boars and level up to- you get the idea.
    In the actual game: You can only go to a certain level to get experience points, then you stop.
  • Butters, whose character was just created, joins the group, albiet interrupting Cartman's speech.
    In this episode: He is wearing the same gear Cartman is wearing(which consists mostly of plate, which requires level 40 to be worn).
    In the actual game: Butters would be wearing starting gear, which doesn't have shoulder wear.
  • The Boys' characters in general.
    In this episode: They are wearing mid-to-high level equipment.
    In the actual game: They would be wearing low-level gear rewarded from quest, which does not feature headgear or shoulder wear, nor plate armor.
  • Stan is an addition to this:
    In this episode: He is wearing a Frostwolf Battle Tabard.
    In the actual game: The Tabard is only available to Horde players, which are neither seen nor mentioned.
  • The main antagonist is a human, an Alliance character.
    In this episode: He is somehow able to kill other Alliance players(and Blizzard's administrators).
    In the actual game: He is unable to kill other players or NPCs on the same faction, except in the Gurubashi Arena.
  • Additionally, there's also half the armor he wears.
    In this episode: He is wearing a plate helmet and leather gloves.
    In the actual game: Mages(he is most likely this class because he uses Fireball, Fire Blast, and Arcane Explosion) cannot wear plate, mail, or leather. Only cloth armor.
  • Something else about this guy:
    In this episode: He is able to kill admins, mentioned above.
    In the actual game: The administrators should've banned him by now.
  • One more thing about the Griefer:
    In this episode: He seems to be a much higher level than anybody who plays the game.
    In the actual game: There is a level cap(They were playing Vanilla WoW, so the level cap was 60).
  • There's also the part where Cartman orders Stan to give his Cloak of Tiger(which has +15 Agility) to Kenny, and the moment where Randy(who is a "newb") gives the Sword of a Thousand Truths to Stan.
    In this episode: They are able to be given to said characters.
    In the actual game: Mister high-powered items, especially if they bind-on-equip or bind-on-pickup, would be Soulbound, which means they cannot be traded to other players.
  • And also Kenny and Randy's characters.
    In this episode: They are human hunters.
    In the actual game: Humans were unable to be hunters (until the third expansion, Cataclysm).
  • Finally, how the Sword of a Thousand Truths was removed from the game.
    In this episode: It is stored on a flash drive(1 GB).
    In the actual game: Items can't be stored on portable devices.

    And that is the list of inconsistencies in this episode. So, did the writers just not care or what?
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They probably didn't care. I honestly can't imagine caring even if I actually played Warcraft.

But that's not even the most egregious error in cartoon history. Remember Itchy & Scratchy episode 2F09 where Itchy played Scratchy's ribcage like a xylophone? He struck the same rib in succession, yet he produced two clearly different tones! I mean, what are we to believe that this was a magic xylophone or something? Boy, I sure hope someone got fired for that blunder!
 
Darwin Watterson said:
From the South Park "headscratchers" page:

They probably didn't care. I honestly can't imagine caring even if I actually played Warcraft.

But that's not even the most egregious error in cartoon history. Remember Itchy & Scratchy episode 2F09 where Itchy played Scratchy's ribcage like a xylophone? He struck the same rib in succession, yet he produced two clearly different tones! I mean, what are we to believe that this was a magic xylophone or something? Boy, I sure hope someone got fired for that blunder!
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Wow, whoever wrote this has even less of a life than the griefer guy.
 
Darwin Watterson said:
From the South Park "headscratchers" page:

They probably didn't care. I honestly can't imagine caring even if I actually played Warcraft.
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I play Warcraft, i don't care. My guild doesn't care. I could talk to a Mythic raiding guild, the ultimate Warcraft tryhards, and they won't care either. The South Park guys have an ounce of humor and were poking fun, hell, Blizzard thenselves probably laughed at it and weren't busy nitpicking.
 
Nice to see the fact the episode was mocking people who take Warcraft too seriously went so far over that troper's head it may have reached the Moon.
 
Uncanny Valley said:
'Tism.
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While "autism" or "'tism" seems like the easy answer, I got an answer that's a bit more nuanced:

There's a lot of people out there (both online and in meatspace) who have little to no knowledge of actual culture that matters. They don't even know the Constitution to their own damn country half the time but they can remember everything that happened in the Badtouch no Strangerdanger OVA.

It's not just disinterest, either. There are times where geeks show outright contempt for anyone with tastes more refined than a twelve year old's. TV Tropes especially loves sneering at people who actually read past high school assignments and they can't stand the notion that works like Love In The Time of Cholera and 1984 are at all better or more deserving than some fanfiction called, "Rarity's Birthday Rimjob." To show their childish hatred for people who aren't crippled by Peter Pan Syndrome, they put an unfunny page titled "True Art" and several variants using several strawmen to mock anyone who believes that depressing, ancient, challenging, or foreign works could be art on the same level as Magical Girl Fanservice Anime #31254

These 'True Art Is..." articles were for a long time the only pages allowed on the main wiki that were even remotely negative in tone. TVTropes is fine with hating actual culture but mocking a pedophile's rape comic makes you a bully who doesn't "get it."

This arrogant laziness extends past the arts and culture and goes into things like science, which geeks profess to love, though many only have the most shallow understanding of science itself, preferring to just masturbate over the image of smart people like them making awesome robot explodeys. Geeks don't know anything about biology, they don't know anything about sociology or anthropology because they don't produce meaningless bite-sized factoids, their knowledge of history consists entirely of "Boy, them Nazis sure had cool guns and outfits." and Philosophy might as well not exist to them outside of the Wikipedia page for Nietzsche.

You also tend to see geeks hate on anyone with actual education or expertise, especially if the expert weighs in on a topic the geek is really passionate about. Only in geek culture can an unemployed, uneducated do-nothing 'educate' an actual Economist with an economics degree on speculation investing or go on for several pages about the philosophical depth of MLP: FiM and then refuse to reads any real philosophy.

It seems that, in this day and age, geeks (or Tropers, in this case) absolutely refuse to learn anything, which is weird because the classic geek stereotype was a bookish, socially awkward intellectual (unless that applied to nerds [while geeks were always just known as the socially awkward losers who were into toys, comics, fantasy, and pop culture junk] and I missed something. If that’s true, I apologize).
 
Asa_Spades60 said:
(unless that applied to nerds [while geeks were always just known as the socially awkward losers who were into toys, comics, fantasy, and pop culture junk] and I missed something. If that’s true, I apologize).
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Anyone who tries to split hairs over the definitions of geeks, nerds etc. is a dork and a lolcow.
Great post, though.
 
Going back, the "headscratchers" page for South Park is loaded with autism. Relating to my previous post:
  • Same episode as above, why doesn't Kenny's character wear a orange bandit mask(which would correspond with his parka, which muffled his voice) and why is he bald, when we see in the movie that his hair is blonde. Additionally, why is Cartman's character bald and has red hair, when the one thing he hates is gingers?
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  • How the hell does Britney Spears in "Britney's New Look" stay alive after blowing up the upper half of her head? She can't see, she can't hear, she can't smell, and her brain is gone!
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Wow, it's almost like this is a cartoon, or something! Freaky!


  • Why does a majority of the fandom believe Kyle has green eyes? Stan has blue, Cartman brown, and Kenny blue. All of those are confirmed as of now (originally both Kenny and Cartman had hazel though, and Cartman described Kenny as having brown eyes in an early episode). Is it because he has red hair? To make him stand out from his friends and the crowd? Because it looks good on him color combination wise?
  • I'm guessing it's a combination of all three.
  • Also given his Jewish heritage likely being of the Ashkenazi variety out of Central and Eastern Europe (his surname is of Slavic origin), Green eyes are not at all uncommon there so it's plausible.
  • I think you're thinking of the time when Cartman made a pun about Kenny's anus.
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  • Why does everyone draw Butters with blue eyes? It's never stated, and blondes aren't always blue eyed. Is it because of how the color duo is often seen as being innocent, or because it makes him more twink to them? To note his similarities to Kenny? I've always seen him as having Green Eyes or Brown Eyes.
  • Maybe because blue eyes are often associated with innocent characters?
  • Because they make him look EVEN MORE freaking adorable.
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Sperging about cartoon character eyes that are just white circles and black dots.

  • I'm still scratching my head at the end of Pinewood Derby. I'm shutting off the Negative Continuity rule for this. First, why is it that aliens came down now instead of around the time of "Starvin Marvin In Space" when they got to hyper-speed or whatever it was. Second, they banned Earth from the Universe for some bullshit secret test? The aforementioned Starvin Marvin had four boys (one a known sociopathic racist jerk) go out of their way to bring an entire group of suffering people (the Ethiopians) to the planet Marklar, showing humans' capacity for good. And while my memory of the episode is fuzzy, Cartman had no reason for wanting to help, but went along anyway, proving there is good in him. Next, "Space Jail"? "Space Cops"? "Space Cash"? Seriously? These are the laziest aliens ever. Finally, "Space cash could be whatever amount you wanted it to be," is a screwed up system considering the differences in currency, thus meaning there isn't a standard.
  • I, as a conservative/libertarian, thought the "Space Cash" was somewhat of a take that to the American Government printing money like crazy. It also showed how ignorant the people were because at the end of the day, unless a currency in on the Gold Standard, the money we use only has value because we believe it has value, like how Mexico used the space cash to build Water parks even though the currency was worthless. The last part of the episode was basically economics 101.
    • Wait, in a broad sense, doesn't gold also only have value because we believe it has value, but in the end, it's largely just a rare, shiny, pretty metal that doesn't tarnish easily?
    • But there is a limited amount of gold in the world (Think of how oil is referred to as black gold). If someone were to discover 1,000 lbs of gold tomorrow the price of gold would drop because it just became slightly less rare.
    • I know that, but it's still an arbitrary distinction. Why should humans care at all whether or not gold is more or less rare (at least before the arrival or electronics equipment)? Why should humans have cared at all about the rarity of gold for so much of its civilized existence, except for goldsmiths and artists?
    • Being pretty is value in itself. The rich being willing to spend resources to get jewelry made of gold gave it its value. Moreover, anything can be given value if the government accepts it as currency. The problem is that currency is still subject to the laws of supply and demand. Printing cash doesn't create wealth, it just devalues your currency.
    • Yeah, but I wasn't questioning the supply of gold, I was questioning the demand. Also, I just realized there are two big flaws in treating space cash as a Take That on fiat currency and how it is inferior to the gold standard: 1: On Earth, there is a limited amount of Space Cash and with no galactic printing press there isn't going to be any more until some aliens show up (much like with gold). 2: Space Cash would be tremendously valuable as a cultural artifact, since it is some of the first concrete evidence of extra-terrestrial life.
    • Really demand for gold is similar to demand for money. Mostly, there's demand because there's demand. But unlike money, it can be used for computer processors, jewelery, etc. Also unlike money, it can't be printed any time, which helps keep demand up ("If the gov't decided to print 100 trillion dollars, my money would become less valuable but not my gold." The govt's of the world understand this and manage their money production accordingly, but there's still less of a guarantee as to what the supply will be in the future compared to gold).
  • ...Okay, seriously? It was all fake. The Space Cops, Space Jail, it was all part of the act and explicitly pointed out as not being real. The Space Cash doesn't work as a currency because it's not a real currency. They spell this out explicitly at the end of the episode, while they're mocking Earth for believing in any of it. How did you not get that?
    • The headscratcher is more about "how did Mexico buy water parks with fake money?" The reason is that other countries thought Space Bucks were valuable (when aliens come to visit), so they gave real money to Mexico in exchange for some of their Space Bucks, hoping for a good return later.
  • As for the aliens not doing their act at the Starvin Marvin episode, they said they did it when a world discovers hyper-drive. Not when they swipe a ship that already has it.
    • Yeah, but why did the alien policemen keep up the act when they were flying away from earth and nobody could hear them?
    • Maybe they're really dedicated to not breaking character?
  • First, they explicitly state that the "space cash" had the value that they gave it. Second, it's when they discover hyper-drive technology, not steal it from another alien species. Third, it was a secret test of character for the whole planet, not just four little kids. You wouldn't base all pirates on Luffy's crew, would you? Fourth, what would a planet with hyper-drive technology also have? Bugs? X-ray-vision lip-readers? You can't assume they are stupid.
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Several tropers get into an argument over "space cash," and one starts off a bullet point with "I, as a conservative/libertarian..."

My own "headscratcher" is how low these people must be in their lives to resort to going on the internet and sperging about South Park eyes. But hey, I'M on the internet sperging about THEIR sperging, so I guess I shouldn't throw stones.

None of these quotes are from even halfway down the page, by the way. It's fucking huge.
 
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Asa_Spades60 said:
"What An Idiot" pages
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That's not the whole site?

Based on how they format these pages: Darwin of the Kiwi Farms goes to check out the "What an Idiot" pages on TV Tropes.

You'd Expect: That these pages would be filled with autistic nitpicking that nobody outside of the Comic Book Guy from The Simpsons would care about.
Instead: No, that's about accurate.

One thing I noticed on the Western Animation page was that while there were some legitimate examples, many of them were just examples of characters exhibiting well-established flaws. Homer Simpson is stupid, he's going to do stupid things. Why is that so complicated?
 
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