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ComStar said:
So i saw Wonder yesterday, and it was a decent little movie.

But then i made the mistake of checking the TV Tropes page just for the hell of it and came across this shit (admittedly in the YMMV section, but still). The people bitching about this should be deported to Uganda or some other shithole country. A few years of backbreaking subsistence farming might knock some sense into them...

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"Wahhh, Wahh, the lead doesn't have Treacher Collins syndrome". So what? It's called fucking ACTING for a reason. Just like John Hurt didn't suffer from Proteus syndrome in The Elephant Man or Dustin Hoffman wasn't autistic for real in Rain Man. Instead, they acted like they were.

But hey, at least the neglected daughter got a black boyfriend, so there's that 🙄
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I mean on the one hand, I kind of get it. Say you're in a wheelchair for some reason and you're wanting to act. (and you can, let's assume you're as good as Daniel Day Lewis) Well you're obviously not going to get very many leading man roles because so many entire genre of films would require a physical activity literally beyond your ability. Then a role comes up for a character in a wheelchair. This is 1 out of a thousand roles that you can do perfectly. Having another actor - who is able to do any of those other thousands of roles - come in and take it from you would be extremely annoying.

The problem is, the current zeitgeist has gone so crazy they've extended this logic to everything. But it doesn't extend, it has hard boundaries. There's nothing preventing a gay person from acting like they're straight, or a straight person acting like they're gay. So in no way would a "straight" person be "taking" the role from a gay person in the same way as an able-bodied actor would be robbing a handicapped one in the above example.

And well... it SHOULD TECHNICALLY apply with trans people, right? At least by their logic. If trans women ARE women, then there is nothing hindering them from getting an acting role same as any other woman. If a "cis" person is "taking" a role from a trans person... well that would mean the trans person could never actually be that other gender, wouldn't it?
 
Flexo said:
And well... it SHOULD TECHNICALLY apply with trans people, right? At least by their logic. If trans women ARE women, then there is nothing hindering them from getting an acting role same as any other woman. If a "cis" person is "taking" a role from a trans person... well that would mean the trans person could never actually be that other gender, wouldn't it?
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That's some weapons-grade logic that'll get refuted by three words: EVERYONE IS VALID!
 
ComStar said:
Around 1 in 50000. But we also learn that Jacob can act pretty well, which might be why he was cast instead of someone whose main qualification is a deformed face.

If nothing else, Jacob's acting skills bought him some reprieve from that bitch of a troper...
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Imagine casting someone on "how deformed is your face" wouldn't that be considered more offensive?
 
ComStar said:
So i saw Wonder yesterday, and it was a decent little movie.

But then i made the mistake of checking the TV Tropes page just for the hell of it and came across this shit (admittedly in the YMMV section, but still). The people bitching about this should be deported to Uganda or some other shithole country. A few years of backbreaking subsistence farming might knock some sense into them...

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"Wahhh, Wahh, the lead doesn't have Treacher Collins syndrome". So what? It's called fucking ACTING for a reason. Just like John Hurt didn't suffer from Proteus syndrome in The Elephant Man or Dustin Hoffman wasn't autistic for real in Rain Man. Instead, they acted like they were.

But hey, at least the neglected daughter got a black boyfriend, so there's that 🙄
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Flexo said:
I mean on the one hand, I kind of get it. Say you're in a wheelchair for some reason and you're wanting to act. (and you can, let's assume you're as good as Daniel Day Lewis) Well you're obviously not going to get very many leading man roles because so many entire genre of films would require a physical activity literally beyond your ability. Then a role comes up for a character in a wheelchair. This is 1 out of a thousand roles that you can do perfectly. Having another actor - who is able to do any of those other thousands of roles - come in and take it from you would be extremely annoying.

The problem is, the current zeitgeist has gone so crazy they've extended this logic to everything. But it doesn't extend, it has hard boundaries. There's nothing preventing a gay person from acting like they're straight, or a straight person acting like they're gay. So in no way would a "straight" person be "taking" the role from a gay person in the same way as an able-bodied actor would be robbing a handicapped one in the above example.

And well... it SHOULD TECHNICALLY apply with trans people, right? At least by their logic. If trans women ARE women, then there is nothing hindering them from getting an acting role same as any other woman. If a "cis" person is "taking" a role from a trans person... well that would mean the trans person could never actually be that other gender, wouldn't it?
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Kinda reminds me of that controvesy regarding white voice actors voicing black characters. I mean, does it really matter? No one (to my knowledge) complains about female voice actors voicing male characters.
 
ComStar said:
"Wahhh, Wahh, the lead doesn't have Treacher Collins syndrome". So what? It's called fucking ACTING for a reason. Just like John Hurt didn't suffer from Proteus syndrome in The Elephant Man or Dustin Hoffman wasn't autistic for real in Rain Man. Instead, they acted like they were.
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I sincerely wonder if they lose sleep over the fact the xenomorph in Alien was played by a human and not an actual predatory extraterrestrial lifeform?

Isn't that erasure too?
 
TowinKarz said:
I sincerely wonder if they lose sleep over the fact the xenomorph in Alien was played by a human and not an actual predatory extraterrestrial lifeform?

Isn't that erasure too?
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Or how about the dogs in Lady And The Tramp & 101 Dalmatians being voiced by humans? #MoreDogVoiceActors
 
Flexo said:
I mean on the one hand, I kind of get it. Say you're in a wheelchair for some reason and you're wanting to act. (and you can, let's assume you're as good as Daniel Day Lewis) Well you're obviously not going to get very many leading man roles because so many entire genre of films would require a physical activity literally beyond your ability. Then a role comes up for a character in a wheelchair. This is 1 out of a thousand roles that you can do perfectly. Having another actor - who is able to do any of those other thousands of roles - come in and take it from you would be extremely annoying.

The problem is, the current zeitgeist has gone so crazy they've extended this logic to everything. But it doesn't extend, it has hard boundaries. There's nothing preventing a gay person from acting like they're straight, or a straight person acting like they're gay. So in no way would a "straight" person be "taking" the role from a gay person in the same way as an able-bodied actor would be robbing a handicapped one in the above example.

And well... it SHOULD TECHNICALLY apply with trans people, right? At least by their logic. If trans women ARE women, then there is nothing hindering them from getting an acting role same as any other woman. If a "cis" person is "taking" a role from a trans person... well that would mean the trans person could never actually be that other gender, wouldn't it?
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While i fully understand the wheelchair bit, the problem is that in the end one has to find people who (in addition to fulfilling the prime requisite of being disabled in whatever way the plot requires) can act, are interested in acting and who can actually draw attention and money. Star power counts, no matter how loudly these PC whores whine. I don't think something like My Left Foot would have gotten nearly as much acclaim if the lead was played by the first palsied fellow they rolled into the lot instead of acting demigod Daniel Day-Lewis*.

Also, the pool of disabled actors isn't that big, and when you add various other progressive requirements the number dwindles further. How many wheelchair-bound actors are there? How many of them suffer from Proteus syndrome? Fibrodysplasia ossificans? How many are subsaharan teens? how many are asian women with ankylosing spondylitis? How many are missing the right amount of limbs in addition to being Moroccan jews?

The bottom line is: you cannot fucking win with these people, they will bitch and moan into oblivion because you couldn't find an egyptian with leprosy who can act, so you cast Rami Malek with some makeup and told him to limp when he walks.


*Then again, for Wonder i guess they could have rounded up all the Treacher Collins-suffering males of the right age and compared them to see who can act, who was interested and who was the least ugly (because Auggie was just hollywood ugly, not ugly ugly). Hell, i'd be interested in looking at the auditions, just to hear how the filmmakers would reason when looking at 15 kids with melting faces and having to choose just one.

Oats12345 said:
Imagine casting someone on "how deformed is your face" wouldn't that be considered more offensive?
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I assume it would be OK as long as you can wrap it in progressive newspeak and check the BIPOC, LGBTWTFBBQ, or Other Minority box. preferably two of them. All is fair in the name of "equity"...
 
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Just another bit from TV Tropes loving the idea that The Matrix is a trans allegory.

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TowinKarz said:
I sincerely wonder if they lose sleep over the fact the xenomorph in Alien was played by a human and not an actual predatory extraterrestrial lifeform?

Isn't that erasure too?
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Don't even get me started on an Austrian playing a robot!
 
Well, according to them also: EVERY story where the protagonist is a sympathetic individual and the antagonist is an uncaring system is really a "trans allegory"
 
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